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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #1712
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Onesea wrote: »
    At 1200 deaths from c19 and 150 days since lockdown that should give us an average of 8 deaths per day.


    Then to twitter
    Cara Byrne
    Who did actually die of c19?
    Clumoin all deaths together.. It's still only 1700 ppl your claiming.. If 3 quarters of them didn't die of it.. Well.. It wasn't a pandemic was it? Closing schools locking down the country.. No funerals or mass. F en crazy.



    And to remind people. It's a criminal offense to falsify death certificates.

    There will be plenty of busy solicitors..

    I see you've given up on trolling with posts with any kind of valid points at all now. Just running your mouth for the sake of it

    Plenty of reasons to criticise lockdown. But claiming covid is not killing anybody is baseless conspiracy theory territory. Who is causing the massive excess death across Europe ,North and South America onesea? The government? The hospitals cashing in on covid testing?


  • #1713
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    El Sue14156048 wrote:
    Many of the people on the PUP are qualified in and work in industries which are shut down. This is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

    Genuine question - which industries are shut down in Ireland? (I don't live there so am interested!)


  • #1714
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    fr336 wrote: »
    Genuine question - which industries are shut down in Ireland? (I don't live there so am interested!)

    Other than pubs that are unable to adapt, not very many. Some businesses have been quite slow at reopening, for example, looking at some of the coffee chains, Costa is only opening in the last few days, despite that being possible for weeks now.

    There may also be jobs gone in a lot of areas that are just operating at less capacity e.g. aviation, aspects of tourism, aspects of hospitality, clothing retailers and so on that have been quite badly impacted.

    Many areas of the economy never closed down, but just worked around it - manufacturing industries like pharma, biotech, biomedical devices and so on. The IT and financial services, tech sector, telecoms, utilities, engineering / services type stuff, sector mostly just worked right through, but with a lot of remote working. Some of those sectors are even expanding employment now as there's big demand for certain IT services and medical products.

    Obviously the healthcare sector was open right though.

    Food and food retail all stayed open.

    Clothing and other hardware retail etc closed for a while but then reopened. I know some of the clothing stores are definitely struggling as they've a lot of issues with hygiene requirements around things like trying on clothes.

    Gyms, leisure centres etc may also be way down on capacity.

    As events, gigs, concerts, festivals, etc are all suspended / cancelled there's probably a lot of jobs gone in those areas - arts, entertainment, etc


  • #1715
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    fr336 wrote: »
    Genuine question - which industries are shut down in Ireland? (I don't live there so am interested!)

    Pub trade.


  • #1716
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    El Sueño wrote: »
    Many of the people on the PUP are qualified in and work in industries which are shut down. This is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

    So why is the leader of the country saying they should try to find work?

    It has to be one of the stupidest things an Irish leader has ever come out with.

    There are many vacant jobs out there. I know of a place who cannot get enough production operators. Some people are judging it is more financially beneficial to stay at home on 350 per week, than go to work for 450


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  • #1717
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    fr336 wrote: »
    I honestly feel that if you'd said to me a year ago that a lot of people in society would have moaned endlessly about lockdowns, face coverings and anything else to protect them from a once in a lifetime pandemic that is now potentially causing serious after effects for "mild" cases, I wouldn't have believed you. I thought most people were scared of things such as war and pandemics, that if any of these things happened after we had decades of peace and stability then naturally people would be more concerned with theirs and others's welfare for the long term rather than a couple of months in 2020. I was very wrong!

    Once in a lifetime pandemic ?

    Hmm I'm not so sure, I think we will see these kind of Chinese viruses emerge from China a lot more often, Chinese aren't going to stop eating sh*tty pangolin arseholes and bat anus anytime soon ....

    Until then we can expect this type of ****e to emerge once every 5/10 years...


  • #1718
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    I think this is more of a shock to the economy than something that's likely to create long term unemployment tbh.

    Unless there's a bad second wave, I would see us recovering fairly rapidly.


  • #1719
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onesea wrote: »
    "dozens of Florida labs reporting only Covid19 positive results"

    Plenty of these headlines popping up. More number inflation.

    They are positive tests. They are just not reporting the number of negative


  • #1720
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There are many vacant jobs out there. I know of a place who cannot get enough production operators. Some people are judging it is more financially beneficial to stay at home on 350 per week, than go to work for 450

    Exactly, plenty very happy younger people in my area as getting plenty of work while off school, the regular employees are drawing the covid payment, I thought you would not be able to do that when the business is open but they haven't gone to work in months


  • #1721
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Once in a lifetime pandemic ?

    Hmm I'm not so sure, I think we will see these kind of Chinese viruses emerge from China a lot more often, Chinese aren't going to stop eating sh*tty pangolin arseholes and bat anus anytime soon ....

    Until then we can expect this type of ****e to emerge once every 5/10 years...

    So why haven't we had them 5/10 years ago, then 5/10 years before that?


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  • #1722
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onesea wrote: »
    Italys hospitals for the best part are **** holes.Their economy has been loosing money for I do not know how long. Actually go find me an article praising their health care in hospitals would ya.

    Lets not ventilate an old dying person as it will take up time and space plus cause uneedy discomfort.

    We won't see a second wave. By way of God most people will be imune or fit enough to fight it off.

    North of Italy has some of the best healthcare in the world. This is where the system was overWhelmed. South of Italy is underfunded and at a similar outcome to here


  • #1723
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    petes wrote: »
    So why haven't we had them 5/10 years ago, then 5/10 years before that?

    It should be a wake up call though for a whole load of areas, including impending antibiotic resistance issues that have been ignored for years. If we end up with a situation where some superbug emerges that we can't treat with magic pills, we could well end up with something like this again.

    If anything it shows us how we've become very complacent about basic medicine and why having good public health infrastructure is as essential as good electricity or transport infrastructure.


  • #1724
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Would love if they began releasing further testing statistics. County by county positivity rate would be really useful for judging how we’re doing.


  • #1725
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    Deleted User wrote: »
    North of Italy has some of the best healthcare in the world. This is where the system was overWhelmed. South of Italy is underfunded and at a similar outcome to here

    I wonder actually if some of the areas that were worried their healthcare systems would collapse actually took more aggressive lockdown action. The places that have had really bad outcomes were pretty arrogant about the ability of their health infrastructure to cope e.g. the US went into total exceptionalism about theirs, the UK to a degree too as they tend to assume the NHS is invincible.

    If you look at say Greece for example, they'd an excellent outcome, but they took huge action because they assumed their healthcare system would be overwhelmed.

    I think we possibly poured resources and restrictions in in a much bigger way than some places as we were freaking gout in the initial stages that the HSE would be unable to cope, as it can usually barely cope with a flu season. I don't think any of us went into this with much confidence in the system to deal with it.

    This may well have been one of those scenarios where being too self assured about your systems was a very bad starting point.


  • #1726
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭quokula


    petes wrote: »
    So why haven't we had them 5/10 years ago, then 5/10 years before that?

    Ignoring the blatantly racist undertones of the previous post, I have read plenty of genuine concerns among experts that the probability of more frequent pandemics will grow going forward as we continue to see rising populations, climate change, and more intensive high density farming around the world.

    One would hope that would be balanced out by the amount we have learned from this one, but when you have such reactions as the wealthiest country in the world pulling its funding from the international organisation that does the most to prevent these pandemics spreading, that may not necessarily be the case.


  • #1727
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    El Sueño wrote: »
    Many of the people on the PUP are qualified in and work in industries which are shut down. This is obvious to anyone with half a brain.

    So why is the leader of the country saying they should try to find work?

    It has to be one of the stupidest things an Irish leader has ever come out with.
    Ultimately the PUP was always going to "tail off". The aim was to support those who had lost their job during the pandemic, with the acknowledgement that some of those jobs were gone permanently.

    We were always going to get to the point where people on PUP would need to start looking for alternative employment instead of waiting for their jobs to come back. Because their jobs aren't coming back.

    Realistically we're now approaching that point. Even when the last few closed workplaces do reopen, their business is going to be severely curtailed and everyone won't be able to retake their jobs.

    If you are still on PUP and haven't been given any decent indication of the future of your job, then yes you probably should be looking for work rather than sitting around to see what's going to happen next.


  • #1728
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't think its unreasonable to suggest people working in nightlife etc. may need to start looking at alternatives..


  • #1729
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    Italy's healthcare system is highly regionalised and actually the area that was hit hardest was probably the best part of it as it's very well funded.

    It was underfunded due to the fact it had an elderly population.

    For a number of years they had overcrowding, particularly so during flu season.

    Its the go to argument it seem's.

    Look at what happened in northern Italy, that could of happend easily in Ireland. Constantly repeated here.

    Nothing to do with the fact 10m citizen's, lived in northern Italy in an area the size of Munster.


  • #1730
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Before the pandemic you were not allowed to be in another county in Ireland when you were signing on and available for work, you had to stay in your designated county, I can't imagine many heeded that at the time. But since the pandemic and pup it now seems to apply if you are going abroad when you should be in the country, the rules don't seem to be that much different but it seems like a new low what they are doing in the airports there. The only way you can get away with it is if you tell them you are taking a two week holiday but it would have to be a personal reason, family illness, a funeral or a wedding of a sibling or relative.

    It's a slippery slope alright and I don't like it. Many people on the pup have been laid off from the governments action of shutting businesses down. They are not long term unemployed and I presume they are hard workers. Another poster also pointed out that a lot of businesses are closed and shut from the closures implemented by the government. How can they look for work when the field they were working in is gone to the dogs.

    I'm also one who would advocate the guidelines. Personally I know what I'm doing this year. I'm doing sweet fcuk all and staying local. I don't blame some people for getting way out abroad for holidays. I don't agree with it but I can see how it could be relatively essential for some people. I'm in Galway and it's been raining since June with an odd dry spell in between. Endless grey skys and rain could easily send some people around the bend. Some prices are scandalous too. I was hoping to get away this weekend for a night or two but its too expensive.


  • #1731
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    It should be a wake up call though for a whole load of areas, including impending antibiotic resistance issues that have been ignored for years. If we end up with a situation where some superbug emerges that we can't treat with magic pills, we could well end up with something like this again.

    If anything it shows us how we've become very complacent about basic medicine and why having good public health infrastructure is as essential as good electricity or transport infrastructure.

    It should be no surprise really, as a society we are completely divorced from reality when it comes to the actual physical world we live in, we think of ourselves almost as gods and our hubris will get us. This disconnection comes out in mass delusion on something as straight forward as a virus. We are not in control of crap when it comes to natural disasters, the best thing we can do is try to not make a disaster like this worse and many countries can’t even get that right.

    This really does show up the house of cards capitalist system. This won’t be the last natural disaster to hit us and oddly enough natural disasters don’t appear to be very accommodating to man made financial systems. Having to try and fit a natural disaster around A financial system (economy) is really ridiculous. For such an educated species we regularly lack the capacity for foresight and long term planning.

    Rant/ back to work......


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  • #1732
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Hmm I'm not so sure, I think we will see these kind of Chinese viruses emerge from China a lot more often, Chinese aren't going to stop eating sh*tty pangolin arseholes and bat anus anytime soon ....
    We don't have any evidence that this did originate in China, or that it started out from eating weird animals. China was just where it was first classified and the first case traced to someone who'd been at the market.

    It would be like saying that if the virus was first observed in Ireland, and the first case had been in the pub the week before, then he clearly got the virus from drinking alcohol.

    Spanish flu was first recorded in the United States.

    The reality is that greater international mobility is the most likely reason why we will experience more pandemics, but ones as serious as the 1918 H1N1, or COVID-19 will still remain very much a niche affair, once or twice a century.


  • #1733
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    seamus wrote: »
    We don't have any evidence that this did originate in China, or that it started out from eating weird animals. China was just where it was first classified and the first case traced to someone who'd been at the market.

    It would be like saying that if the virus was first observed in Ireland, and the first case had been in the pub the week before, then he clearly got the virus from drinking alcohol.

    Spanish flu was first recorded in the United States.

    The reality is that greater international mobility is the most likely reason why we will experience more pandemics, but ones as serious as the 1918 H1N1, or COVID-19 will still remain very much a niche affair, once or twice a century.

    Wuhan China is the source of the first outbreak. Had it been around anywhere else on the planet, there would have been run-away outbreaks in those locations due to the very high infectiousness.

    It's an absolute nonsense to pretend it isn't of Chinese origin. What happened in Bergamo, Italy, should make that abundantly clear. Those tales of much earlier positive positive results in sewerage from Spain are either nefarious or simply erroneous.


  • #1734
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    petes wrote: »
    So why haven't we had them 5/10 years ago, then 5/10 years before that?

    Crazy amount of travel nowadays I would say ...


  • #1735
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    It was underfunded due to the fact it had an elderly population.

    For a number of years they had overcrowding, particularly so during flu season.

    Its the go to argument it seem's.

    Look at what happened in northern Italy, that could of happend easily in Ireland. Constantly repeated here.

    Nothing to do with the fact 10m citizen's, lived in northern Italy in an area the size of Munster.

    Dublin metropolitan area has a higher population density than Lombardy, and it's where almost 1 in 3 Irish people live.


  • #1736
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Holiday ends in disaster.

    Ryanair not engaging with public health authorities either. Lovely company it is. That way it can still say no risk on our planes.

    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288059158168731648?s=20

    Ryanair tells Oireachtas Committee ......wait for it.
    that according to @WHO there have been no cases of person to person transmission of Covid on board flights so far.

    Declined to say it's because we don't respond to public health officials doing contact tracing.

    They must think we are fvcking thick.



    https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1288086429504081922?s=20


  • #1737
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,349 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Drumpot wrote: »
    It should be no surprise really, as a society we are completely divorced from reality when it comes to the actual physical world we live in, we think of ourselves almost as gods and our hubris will get us. This disconnection comes out in mass delusion on something as straight forward as a virus. We are not in control of crap when it comes to natural disasters, the best thing we can do is try to not make a disaster like this worse and many countries can’t even get that right.

    This really does show up the house of cards capitalist system. This won’t be the last natural disaster to hit us and oddly enough natural disasters don’t appear to be very accommodating to man made financial systems. Having to try and fit a natural disaster around A financial system (economy) is really ridiculous. For such an educated species we regularly lack the capacity for foresight and long term planning.

    Rant/ back to work......

    I know I'm going to sound like one of them commies now but current form of economy / lifestyle / capitalism is going to get us.

    We exploit everything to ruin - for a quick buck. We stop at nothing - for a quick buck. We live way beyond our needs - for a quick buck. We even accelerate all this all the time for more quick bucks.

    Whether its overpopulation, exploitation, erosion, deforestation, ruination of the oceans, decimation of wildlife, climate etcpp. It all comes down to this. Even fkn COVID. Its essentially down to mass animal production. For more bucks.

    Now here is something that I can happily put the line 'it's not rocket science' under.

    And we don't know how to stop it and half the population still thinks this is all made up sh1t by the commies. We're fvcked really. I've been saying that for a while.


  • #1738
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    seamus wrote: »
    We don't have any evidence that this did originate in China, or that it started out from eating weird animals. China was just where it was first classified and the first case traced to someone who'd been at the market.

    It would be like saying that if the virus was first observed in Ireland, and the first case had been in the pub the week before, then he clearly got the virus from drinking alcohol.

    Spanish flu was first recorded in the United States.

    The reality is that greater international mobility is the most likely reason why we will experience more pandemics, but ones as serious as the 1918 H1N1, or COVID-19 will still remain very much a niche affair, once or twice a century.

    My money's on an escapee from the research lab......

    By March, the wild-virus theory was still the most likely explanation of the origin of SARS-CoV-2--but it was starting to look a little ragged around the edges. For one thing, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, not far from the animal markets in downtown Wuhan, houses the world's largest collection of coronaviruses from wild bats, including at least one virus that bears a resemblance to SARS-CoV-2. What's more, Wuhan Institute of Virology scientists have for the past five years been engaged in so-called "gain of function" (GOF) research, which is designed to enhance certain properties of viruses for the purpose of anticipating future pandemics. Gain-of-function techniques have been used to turn viruses into human pathogens capable of causing a global pandemic.

    This is no nefarious secret program in an underground military bunker. The Wuhan lab received funding, mostly for virus discovery, in part from a ten-year, $200 million international program called PREDICT, funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development and other countries. Similar work, funded in part by the U.S. National Institutes of Health, has been carried out in dozens of labs throughout the world.
    ...
    The Institute began a program of gain-of-function research into bat coronaviruses in 2015. That involved taking selected strains and seeking to increase the ability of those viruses to transmit from one person to another.

    Jonathan Eisen, an evolutionary biologist at UC Davis, says that the preponderance of evidence, while not definitive, suggests that the virus came from nature, not a lab. "There's no hint there that there's something unnatural, that is, genetically engineered or manipulated," he says. But "there is some wiggle room" in the findings that admits the possibility that the virus was concocted in a lab via animal passage. "Passaging is hard to test for. Escape from a lab is hard to test for," he says. "If [Wuhan researchers] collected something from the field and they were doing some experiments in the lab with it, and some person got infected and then it spread from there, that would be really hard to distinguish from it having spread in the field directly."
    ......
    Wuhan is in possession of a virus, RATG13, that is thought to be the most similar to SARS-CoV-2 of any known virus—the two share 96 percent of their genetic material. That four-percent gap would still be a formidable gap for animal-passage research, says Ralph Baric, a virologist at the University of North Carolina who collaborated with Shi Zheng-Li on the 2015 gain-of-function research. "You keep running into problems that just don't make it likely," he says. Wuhan would probably have had to start with a virus closer to SARS-CoV-2 than RATG13, which is within the realm of possibilities.

    https://www.newsweek.com/controversial-wuhan-lab-experiments-that-may-have-started-coronavirus-pandemic-1500503


  • #1739
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    AdamD wrote: »
    I don't think its unreasonable to suggest people working in nightlife etc. may need to start looking at alternatives..
    Rolling back a bit on my earlier post, speaking to others I get a better sense of people's issue with this.

    No, it's not unreasonable to suggest that someone should start looking at alternatives.

    The issue is that if someone is currently on PUP, they are in limbo. If their employer can't employ them anymore, then they should be made redundant and go on JSA.
    Instead what's happening is that people on PUP are being slowly transitioned to the dole without redundancy.

    And a Government minister suggesting that people on PUP are supposed to be job-hunting is rubber-stamping this. They should be changing PUP so that it's only applicable if the employer foresees a reasonable chance that the individual will return to work. Otherwise they must make them redundant.


  • #1740
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Ryanair tells Oireachtas Committee ......wait for it.



    Declined to say it's because we don't respond to public health officials doing contact tracing.

    They must think we are fvcking thick.



    https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1288086429504081922?s=20
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    There are many vacant jobs out there. I know of a place who cannot get enough production operators. Some people are judging it is more financially beneficial to stay at home on 350 per week, than go to work for 450
    Why the fuck would you??? There's nothing noble about licking the boot. There's nothing to live for anymore. At least if you're furloughed you have some down time.
    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Holiday ends in disaster.



    Ryanair not engaging with public health authorities either. Lovely company it is. That way it can still say no risk on our planes.





    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288059158168731648?s=20
    This is appalling. Ryanair needs to be held to account. I can't believe anyone would give their money to them. Morons tbh.

    Imagine if I worked in restaurant and in order to stay open I pretended I didn't have covid after I tested positive. I'd be destroyed in the media. Now imagine that restaurant turned out to be McDonald's. But seemingly Ryanair pricks get a free pass.

    It's almost like our lives mean nothing.


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  • #1741
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Why the fuck would you??? There's nothing noble about licking the boot. There's nothing to live for anymore. At least if you're furloughed you have some down time.


    This is appalling. Ryanair needs to be held to account. I can't believe anyone would give their money to them. Morons tbh.

    Imagine if I worked in restaurant and in order to stay open I pretended I didn't have covid after I tested positive. I'd be destroyed in the media. Now imagine that restaurant turned out to be McDonald's. But seemingly Ryanair pricks get a free pass.

    It's almost like our lives mean nothing.

    Imagine a healthcare worker going to work sick because they were concerned about overtime payments.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/health-workers-reporting-for-duty-while-sick-during-pandemic-a-big-problem-1.4310311?mode=amp#aoh=15959459196047&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s


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