How will schools be able to go back in September?

Treppen · 27-07-2020 05:17PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Masks won't be mandatory at all so don't be getting your hopes up.

If the unions push for it and throw their toys out of the pram well then be prepared for lots of notes from parents about why individual kids can't/won't be wearing them.

Balanced approach needed risk v benefits and masks for little children won't be required.

Sure if it wasn't masks I'm sure it'll be some other sticking point :rolleyes:

Give it a break willya?
If you know anything about education parents will be sending in notes regardless.

hmmm · 27-07-2020 05:23PM

Why all the emphasis on masks? Ventilation is likely to be as, if not more important.

Who is going to drive all these school buses?

FishOnABike · 27-07-2020 05:25PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Kids won't be forced to wear masks in school, it won't be made mandatory so don't know why people keep banging on about it.

Uniforms are mandatory in many schools so why not facemasks? Facemasks are more important than any image a school might want to project.

Treppen · 27-07-2020 05:26PM

hmmm wrote: »

Why all the emphasis on masks? Ventilation is likely to be as, if not more important.

Who is going to drive all these school buses?

Masks are just a small component, apparently they're important for some reason. I always saw a surgeon wearing one in an operating theater and always meant to ask why was he and his team bothering. They're very precious these medical people

Boggles · 27-07-2020 05:27PM

hmmm wrote: »

Why all the emphasis on masks? Ventilation is likely to be as, if not more important.

Because the schools are open in a month and if you think 4,000 odd schools can fix their "ventilation" problems in that time period, I have some bad news for you.

Have you been in some of the prefabs that pass as "classrooms"?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 27-07-2020 05:27PM

hmmm wrote: »

Why all the emphasis on masks? Ventilation is likely to be as, if not more important.

Who is going to drive all these school buses?

Open the windows and doors I'd say is about as good as we'll do there

HerrKuehn · 27-07-2020 05:27PM

the corpo wrote: »

Wall Street Journal posting that Google is to keep employees at home until at least July, 2021, but sure, we'll be grand to feck the kids into grotty old classrooms...

Google employees can work effectively from home, teachers can't. It really is as simple as that, some jobs cannot be done well remotely.

Boggles · 27-07-2020 05:28PM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

Google employees can work effectively from home, teachers can't. It really is as simple as that, some jobs cannot be done well remotely.

True.

But why are Google employees working from home?

hmmm · 27-07-2020 05:33PM

Boggles wrote: »

Because the schools are open in a month and if you think 4,000 odd schools can fix their "ventilation" problems in that time period, I have some bad news for you.

Have you been in some of the prefabs that pass as "classrooms"?

We're going to have the same issues as we have on buses. One teacher is going to open all the windows, and another is going to shut them all.

Based on the evidence we have seen elsewhere of spread, personally I'd consider ventilation and air flow to be much more important than masks, yet it never seems to get much in the way of an airing (;) )

HerrKuehn · 27-07-2020 05:35PM

Boggles wrote: »

True.

But why are Google employees working from home?

Because given the current situation, if you can work from home it is better to do so. However, we have to live with the virus, it is here to stay and it may take a long time before we have a vaccine, if ever. I appreciate that the method of "teaching" before the summer was probably convenient for a lot of teachers, but it isn't a good long term solution. Likewise the economy has opened up again. We need to reduce risk as much as is reasonably possible while getting on with our lives. The 2m rule was just a guideline, it isn't some sort of universal constant.

lulublue22 · 27-07-2020 05:38PM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

Because given the current situation, if you can work from home it is better to do so. However, we have to live with the virus, it is here to stay and it may take a long time before we have a vaccine, if ever. I appreciate that the method of "teaching" before the summer was probably convenient for a lot of teachers, but it isn't a good long term solution. Likewise the economy has opened up again. We need to reduce risk as much as is reasonably possible while getting on with our lives. The 2m rule was just a guideline, it isn't some sort of universal constant.

Subtle dig at teachers nice. I would call it a lot of things but certainly not convenient.

JimmyVik · 27-07-2020 05:40PM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

Because given the current situation, if you can work from home it is better to do so. However, we have to live with the virus, it is here to stay and it may take a long time before we have a vaccine, if ever. I appreciate that the method of "teaching" before the summer was probably convenient for a lot of teachers, but it isn't a good long term solution. Likewise the economy has opened up again. We need to reduce risk as much as is reasonably possible while getting on with our lives. The 2m rule was just a guideline, it isn't some sort of universal constant.

Research now to say it should be 10M.

xhomelezz · 27-07-2020 05:41PM

Only reading this thread tells me schools fully opening will be some mess. Can't wait to hear that very very big plan they have. Keeping expectations very low tho, about everything around covid in Ireland was messed up, half arsed measures, you name it. Yet there's very very big plan coming..

HerrKuehn · 27-07-2020 05:44PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

Subtle dig at teachers nice. I would call it a lot of things but certainly not convenient.

I don't think primary age kids can be taught remotely. Sending on a few work sheet each week would not really be teaching either.

HerrKuehn · 27-07-2020 05:46PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

Research now to say it should be 10M.

100m would be even more effective though.

CruelSummer · 27-07-2020 05:47PM

Has anyone here even cast a thought to the damage they are talking about doing our children?
"It didn't kill anyone to wear a mask"
"My little Seány and Niamh are able to wear them no problem when going into a shop for a few minutes, therefore we need to shove them on our children's mouths for the whole day"
"Get them to bring 3 masks in as we cannot let those mouths out on show, this will also be atrocious for the environment as they'll be all over yard, school grounds, streets, roads, etc."
"We need ZERO to low risk to reopen schools" - which doesn't exist right now if you go into a restaurant and eat a meal...I've seen plenty of people doing that no problem.
The fact of the matter is the WHO have come to an agreement that at most the death rate from Covid is 0.6%, if even. This is the risk - 99.4% of people will make a full recovery and even moreso in the age profile of students and their Educators. Any teachers at risk should be given special leave/cover/special arrangements. Time for everyone else to wise up and face the music. Some children may never recover from this prolonged closure of schools as it is.

It's clear a lot of people here haven't a clue or don't care about our younger generation. It is NOT ok for our young Junior Infants who have already missed months of their preschool year to then be greeted with a masked up expressionless teacher at the door who they will not be able to understand talking behind a mask...departing from their parents who've been their Primary carers for months + told to keep this item on their face for the full day, impinging on every aspect of their school day.
Children need to see facial expressions, they need to see how phonics are pronounced, what a teacher is saying, how they describe events, and many other things. Many children nowadays have severe Speech and Language issues, the services are completely over-subscribed. Education can absolutely not happen at primary level with everyone in masks. It will directly interfere with children's learning, their perceptions of school, and their social + emotional development - this is a fact.
It seems perfectly ok for children to do their summer camps right now without all of this nonsense being peddled, but try and reopen schools and we get people actually referencing CHINA on this thread as an example of how to educate our children? Seriously?!!!

bettyoleary · 27-07-2020 05:47PM

Treppen wrote: »

Masks are just a small component, apparently they're important for some reason. I always saw a surgeon wearing one in an operating theater and always meant to ask why was he and his team bothering. They're very precious these medical people

Masks are not the holy grail. They are not in any way going to prevent the spread of the virus. They may actually be a factor in spreading it, Im not going into this do your own research.

All this bull**** on how kids will be damaged. Ill give you a senario. I was cleaning my car outside at weekend and a small group of kids were riding up and down on bikes. I said hey guys how are you missing school. The abuse I got was outrageous. Why have you got that ald jumper on when its Hot?? You have got a grey hair there. I asked do you like football and they said No we hate football. Real cheeky horrible kids So your fooling yourselves saying ooh we need psychologists for kids missing school. You are joking me. Kids past 6 are worse than adults now. They are clever than you think due to internet. They dont need classrooms. They need compassion.

bettyoleary · 27-07-2020 05:55PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Has anyone here even cast a thought to the damage they are talking about doing our children?
"It didn't kill anyone to wear a mask"
"My little Seány and Niamh are able to wear them no problem when going into a shop for a few minutes, therefore we need to shove them on our children's mouths for the whole day"
"Get them to bring 3 masks in as we cannot let those mouths out on show, this will also be atrocious for the environment as they'll be all over yard, school grounds, streets, roads, etc."
"We need ZERO to low risk to reopen schools" - which doesn't exist right now if you go into a restaurant and eat a meal...I've seen plenty of people doing that no problem.
The fact of the matter is the WHO have come to an agreement that at most the death rate from Covid is 0.6%, if even. This is the risk - 99.4% of people will make a full recovery and even moreso in the age profile of students and their Educators. Any teachers at risk should be given special leave/cover/special arrangements. Time for everyone else to wise up and face the music. Some children may never recover from this prolonged closure of schools as it is.

It's clear a lot of people here haven't a clue or don't care about our younger generation. It is NOT ok for our young Junior Infants who have already missed months of their preschool year to then be greeted with a masked up expressionless teacher at the door who they will not be able to understand talking behind a mask...departing from their parents who've been their Primary carers for months + told to keep this item on their face for the full day, impinging on every aspect of their school day.
Children need to see facial expressions, they need to see how phonics are pronounced, what a teacher is saying, how they describe events, and many other things. Many children nowadays have severe Speech and Language issues, the services are completely over-subscribed. Education can absolutely not happen at primary level with everyone in masks. It will directly interfere with children's learning, their perceptions of school, and their social + emotional development - this is a fact.
It seems perfectly ok for children to do their summer camps right now without all of this nonsense being peddled, but try and reopen schools and we get people actually referencing CHINA on this thread as an example of how to educate our children? Seriously?!!!

You are joking me. Kids after 7 are like mini adults. The abuse teachers take is unreal. I know groups of teenagers in a north inner city are trying very hard to catch the virus and spread it. Do you think teachers arnt going to be faced with kids spitting at them them and each other. We are not living in some idealized society where you have kids sitting quietly behind desks pen in hand. We are dealing with a new world now where 13 yr old think its ok to brutally rape. Teachers didnt sign up for this and I hope unions are out there to help them.

lulublue22 · 27-07-2020 05:55PM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

I don't think primary age kids can be taught remotely. Sending on a few work sheet each week would not really be teaching either.

Fair enough but that was not the experience of others. Im not going to repeat what our school and a lot others have done as I have posted it numerous times before we aa a staff provided a very interactive supportive learning environment.

coffeyt · 27-07-2020 06:01PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

You are joking me. Kids after 7 are like mini adults. The abuse teachers take is unreal. I know groups of teenagers in a north inner city are trying very hard to catch the virus and spread it. Do you think teachers arnt going to be faced with kids spitting at them them and each other. We are not living in some idealized society where you have kids sitting quietly behind desks pen in hand. We are dealing with a new world now where 13 yr old think its ok to brutally rape. Teachers didnt sign up for this and I hope unions are out there to help them.

Please tell me you are not a teacher because I despair to think someone with your opinion of children could be in a position where you have any impact on their education.

My 4 & 5 year old would most certainly never spit at a teacher or anyone else for that matter. I sincerely doubt you have any real interaction with children if that's the way you think they behave.

the corpo · 27-07-2020 06:01PM

Announcement should have been out by now? Normally all the twitter journo's would have posted that cabinet has broken up ahead of signing off, etc., wonder is there disagreement over it?

Dravokivich · 27-07-2020 06:02PM

Cordell wrote: »

Putting everyone in a plastic bubble is not reasonable. Wearing a mask is.
Washing hands and using sanitizer and proper coughing and all that are also reasonable measures that complement each other. Not a single one is enough, but all together have a good chance of working.
I have kids, one under 10, and I can tell you there is no issue to get him to put a mask on by himself.

I have 1 under 10, only way to get him to wear a mask is to tie his hands behind his back and his ankles together.

CruelSummer · 27-07-2020 06:02PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

You are joking me. Kids after 7 are like mini adults. The abuse teachers take is unreal. I know groups of teenagers in a north inner city are trying very hard to catch the virus and spread it. Do you think teachers arnt going to be faced with kids spitting at them them and each other. We are not living in some idealized society where you have kids sitting quietly behind desks pen in hand. We are dealing with a new world now where 13 yr old think its ok to brutally rape. Teachers didnt sign up for this and I hope unions are out there to help them.

I really hope you're not a teacher...I didn't realise the Country of Ireland and our younger generation were represented by an area of Inner City Dublin...I'm actually disgusted at your comments pertaining to all young people being rapists and abusers.
You're also claiming 8 year olds are adults...again I find this absolutely shocking and showing no understanding of young children and their issues.
If there's a particular issue with an area such as Second Level Inner City Dublin - bring it to the attention of management. No primary students, particularly our younger children should be made suffer because of people holding disturbing views such as yourself.