Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

fr336 · 23-07-2020 10:39PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah we flushed kids futures down the toilet and will get them to pay the bill for the overreaction for the rest of their lives but at least the bushes are plentiful in Wicklow!!

Again if only the future of the youth was so taken into consideration in normal times. It's not okay to "flush their future down the toilet" for a killer virus but it's just fine when corporations and banks are rolling in it while the country and public services go to the dogs. I don't remember Covid being responsible for homelesss youth on the streets.

lukas8888 · 23-07-2020 10:39PM

Arghus wrote: »

Correct.

Now i know i am definitely dreaming.

23-07-2020 10:40PM

So pubs, clubs and the entire entertainment industry.... do we just keep paying them to sit at home and get the banks to give them a free pass on their mortgages/ loans for the next year? Keep borrowing to kick the can further down the road?

People on this thread need to stop saying that things are back to normal. We wouldn’t be paying 350000 people the Covid payment if things were back to normal.

23-07-2020 10:41PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I cant leave the country without probaly losing my job, how is that normal. I cant go to watch any sport, how is that normal, weddings, christenings, funerals cant happen as before. How is that nornal. How can anyone say we are nearly back to normal.

Anyone can say it, but they are wrong.

And the figures back it up.

fr336 · 23-07-2020 10:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So pubs, clubs and the entire entertainment industry.... do we just keep paying them to sit at home and get the banks to give them a free pass on their mortgages/ loans for the next year? Keep borrowing to kick the kick further down the road?

People on this thread need to stop saying that things are back to normal. We wouldn’t be paying 350000 people the Covid payment if things were back to normal.

Phase 4 has been delayed for a matter of weeks. Where did you get next year from?

23-07-2020 10:44PM

fr336 wrote: »

Phase 4 has been delayed for a matter of weeks. Where did you get next year from?

Poster above said pubs should stay closed until a vaccine arrives.

I’ll be shocked if pubs are actually allowed open in a matter of weeks.

23-07-2020 10:45PM

Ireland is absolutely not back to normal...I'm working from my bedroom 5 days a week, then on the weekend I can't go to a rugby game then a bar/club like I would have before.

You can call it justified, but it ain't normal.

Idbatterim · 23-07-2020 10:45PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of anger and all that on this thread.

I cannot understand it, we have done very well. A lot of things are open again now. It must be the pubs issue so.

But whingers will whinge. No matter what.

Penfailed wrote: »

So he didn't do an excellent job then?

He nailed a lot of it. He was way off with the figures on deaths though... however we are an extreme , other countries have struck far better balances...

Arghus · 23-07-2020 10:47PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

Now i know i am definitely dreaming.

Let's look at what I did say:

nearly everything in the country, aside from some pubs, has been back to some normality now for over a month.

Some important words there, which maybe you didn't notice:

Nearly everything: as in not everything in the country is back to normal yet.

Some normality: things are not exactly as they were, but we're getting there, normal life is reasserting itself, but it's a gradual process. But, in general, life is more normal for people than what it was a few months ago. That's undeniable.

robbiezero · 23-07-2020 10:49PM

I don't get the nonchalance about all the borrowing and racking up of debt that we will need to do. I understand that we may never need to pay it back and possibly inflation might serve to reduce it organically, but surely at some level of debt, the countries position could potentially be fairly precarious e.g. if in 10 years time when we need to refinance our debt and the markets are the equivalent of 2008, the interest rates could put a sizable hole in our budget

niallo27 · 23-07-2020 10:49PM

Arghus wrote: »

Let's look at what I did say:

Some important words there, which maybe you didn't notice:

Nearly everything: as in not everything in the country is back to normal yet.

Some normality: things are not exactly as they were, but we're getting there, normal life is reasserting itself, but it's a gradual process.

We are still miles away though, we are getting there slowly but for me any sense of normality feels a lifetime away

niallo27 · 23-07-2020 10:51PM

robbiezero wrote: »

I don't get the nonchalance about all the borrowing and racking up of debt that we will need to do. I understand that we may never need to pay it back and possibly inflation might serve to reduce it organically, but surely at some level of debt, the countries position could potentially be fairly precarious e.g. if in 10 years time when we need to refinance our debt and the markets are the equivalent of 2008, the interest rates could put a sizable hole in our budget

But as mcwillians said if the interest rates are high it means things are booming, the wont rise if we are still in recession.

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2020 10:51PM

A lot of angst here.

But it is not replicated elsewhere. Just take a deep breath and go with the flow. We are doing very well infection wise.

lukas8888 · 23-07-2020 10:53PM

Arghus wrote: »

Let's look at what I did say:

Some important words there, which maybe you didn't notice:

Nearly everything: as in not everything in the country is back to normal yet.

Some normality: things are not exactly as they were, but we're getting there, normal life is reasserting itself, but it's a gradual process. But, in general, life is more normal for people than what it was a few months ago. That's undeniable.

Thank you for the clarification,but my point remains we are a long long way from normal.

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2020 10:57PM

Not much the screamers can do now.

The pubs will open when allowed to do so.

Good. The LVA or the other crowd wouldn't give you a packet of peanuts or a packet of Tayto to help you on your way. Miserable gits.

Charles Babbage · 23-07-2020 11:01PM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Having most things is the very reason we shouldnt have pubs. Theres enough risk level already with the important stuff so its the right thing to keep the risk low by staying away from stuff that not at all essential. If theres a resonable prospect of a vaccine next year then I think that seals it and pubs should stall all closed food or not until we all get the vaccine.

There are pubs that can probably be operated successfully, others need to be the closely regulated. The "oul fellows" pub may work, the "party" pub may not. We need detail, not blanket opening and closing.

We can't be truly "normal" until we get a vaccine, no point in pretending otherwise.

23-07-2020 11:05PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

There are pubs that can probably be operated successfully, others need to be the closely regulated. The "oul fellows" pub may work, the "party" pub may not. We need detail, not blanket opening and closing.

We can't be truly "normal" until we get a vaccine, no point in pretending otherwise.

And if there is no vaccine?

Should we continue to live in fear of a virus with a tiny death rate?

Arghus · 23-07-2020 11:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And if there is no vaccine?

Should we continue to live in fear of a virus with a tiny death rate?

The death rate is only part of it.

A bigger problem is how infectious it is and how easily outbreaks can get out of hand, with the potential to overwhelm your health system.

Maybe 90-95% of people won't need hospital treatment, but that remaining 10-5% could all need it simultaneously, or near enough to that. And it has the potential to infect a lot of people quickly. It's very easy to lose control of the situation.

And then it has other knock on effects. People who would otherwise survive, don't make it because they can't get access to treatment, people die of other causes because the health system can't cope with the excess burden.

That's why governments are so scared, because outbreaks can get out of control quickly and easily, like what's happening right now in many parts of the US.

Everyone hopes that a vaccine or an effective treatment comes along sooner rather than later because then the endgame is a lot less clear. There isn't really an easy way out otherwise.

Golf is my Game · 23-07-2020 11:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And if there is no vaccine?

Should we continue to live in fear of a virus with a tiny death rate?

No,then we have to keep that it is only a tiny death rate by paying the price of doing without nonessential parts of life even if we like them that add high risk like closing pubs completely or keeping it only for the nine euro food thing, only for over 65s, or maybe a rationing system for it. If theres no vacine then somethings gotta give give like the Jack Nickolson movie and there no point kidding ourselves that we can have everything we did have and say sure live has to go on. The the death rate wont be tiny and youl be sorry. So pubs never opening again like we used to know them is a real possibility and we shouldnt dismiss that. Same for nightclubs, cinemas, big crows and the football and whatever.

23-07-2020 11:41PM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

No,then we have to keep that it is only a tiny death rate by paying the price of doing without nonessential parts of life even if we like them that add high risk like closing pubs completely or keeping it only for the nine euro food thing, only for over 65s, or maybe a rationing system for it. If theres no vacine then somethings gotta give give like the Jack Nickolson movie and there no point kidding ourselves that we can have everything we did have and say sure live has to go on. The the death rate wont be tiny and youl be sorry. So pubs never opening again like we used to know them is a real possibility and we shouldnt dismiss that. Same for nightclubs, cinemas, big crows and the football and whatever.

The virus destroying our way of life would be more tragic than actual deaths.

That’s never going to happen though.

23-07-2020 11:46PM

Arghus wrote: »

The death rate is only part of it.

A bigger problem is how infectious it is and how easily outbreaks can get out of hand, with the potential to overwhelm your health system.

Maybe 90-95% of people won't need hospital treatment, but that remaining 10-5% could all need it simultaneously, or near enough to that. And it has the potential to infect a lot of people quickly. It's very easy to lose control of the situation.

And then it has other knock on effects. People who would otherwise survive, don't make it because they can't get access to treatment, people die of other causes because the health system can't cope with the excess burden.

That's why governments are so scared, because outbreaks can get out of control quickly and easily, like what's happening right now in many parts of the US.

Everyone hopes that a vaccine or an effective treatment comes along sooner rather than later because then the endgame is a lot less clear. There isn't really an easy way out otherwise.

Actually agree with most of this.

But we need more information on the vaccine soon. Most people have written this year off already.

But if we reach New Year’s Eve and head into 2021 with no further info on a vaccine, there will be a lot of unrest.

Golf is my Game · 23-07-2020 11:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The virus destroying our way of life would be more tragic than actual deaths.

That’s never going to happen though.

It only destroys your way of life if it kills you otherwise it only changes your way of life which everyone will agree is better. Do you want to volunteer for death so that the rest of us can go to the pub and live like we did before. You wont see many hands up. So things are going to stay changed one way are another and i for one would rather see them changed in the stuff we cant do anymore like we used than take a lottery ticket for death.

Arghus · 24-07-2020 12:00AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Actually agree with most of this.

But we need more information on the vaccine soon. Most people have written this year off already.

But if we reach New Year’s Eve and head into 2021 with no further info on a vaccine, there will be a lot of unrest.

Things do seem to be moving on a little on the vaccine front. I think a further five were announced to be ready to go to phase three testing today.

A lot of knowledgeable posters post in the specific vaccine thread, lots of information in there.

Early signs seem to be encouraging, but things are still a long way off, it's a mammoth undertaking. And distributing a potential vaccine is another mammoth task again. As much as we all want news about it and work is going on at pace, there's just much of the whole process that is going to take time. And, unfortunately, it still isn't guaranteed. At the moment, that isn't something people want to think about. Can't say that I blame them really.

Another hope is that as more and more is discovered about the virus - and an awful lot has been learned in a very short time - there'll be better strategies in how to defend against it and fight it. But a certain level of disruption to our lives is inevitable for the foreseeable.

Dickie10 · 24-07-2020 12:01AM

i can see the older people having to coccoon while therest get on with life from august 10th. my local is opening next monday with only token food menu. chipper across the road stuff and big pot of curry and stew on go. The local Gardai have been in and gave it their blessing. told them to keep strict opening hours i think there asking place cleared by 12:30 friday and saturday nights and 11 weeknights. just told them play the game as there will be plenty trying to get them shutdown by taking sneaky videos while on premises.

Charles Babbage · 24-07-2020 12:27AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

i can see the older people having to coccoon while therest get on with life from august 10th. my local is opening next monday with only token food menu. chipper across the road stuff and big pot of curry and stew on go. The local Gardai have been in and gave it their blessing. told them to keep strict opening hours i think there asking place cleared by 12:30 friday and saturday nights and 11 weeknights. just told them play the game as there will be plenty trying to get them shutdown by taking sneaky videos while on premises.

Where is it? We might like to check that they are still serving food at 10:30, there are many scofflaws out there.

Dickie10 · 24-07-2020 12:32AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Where is it? We might like to check that they are still serving food at 10:30, there are many scofflaws out there.

whos WE?

Dickie10 · 24-07-2020 12:36AM

i suppose like any restaurnt there drinking up time, prob have finger food from 10 pm, if plates are on tables whos to know how long the food is eaten. anyway the Gardai told them they wont be bothering them unless there called so make sure there not called. i think the seargent is a referree hes only knew on the scene but the local club got him to ref a few games already and the publican git in with him through that. to be honest there wont be any problems rural village there would be max 8 during week maybe max 20 people at weekends. loads of room too.should be open 3 weeks

Charles Babbage · 24-07-2020 01:55AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

whos WE?

The responsible law-abiding people of Ireland.

UDAWINNER · 24-07-2020 02:22AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Pubs in the north have been given an indicative date of the 10th of August for reopening (depending on the prevailing Covid situation).

i was under the impression thet they wre open already, was i wrong?

Penfailed · 24-07-2020 06:00AM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

i was under the impression thet they wre open already, was i wrong?

Only pubs serving food are open at the minute.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings