Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

How will schools be able to go back in September?

1192193195197198330

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Scoondal wrote: »
    No, he is in primary.
    There has been no connection between pupil and school. All work was sent to parents. No interactive pupil to class via internet. No communications directly to the pupil.
    It has really opened my eyes to home schooling and what is best for my son's education in the coming months.

    Huge potential child protection issues having direct contact with children. I know personally that email contact had to be via a parental email address. Had to be a parent present for all zoom calls. This was our school policy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    I'm sure you are, but at the same time giddy at the prospect of that long awaited pay rise.

    What payrise?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    I'm sure you are, but at the same time giddy at the prospect of that long awaited pay rise.

    Where is it said that we are looking for or have received a pay rise due to the current crisis?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    khalessi wrote: »
    What payrise?

    Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
    Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
    Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.

    You are a beautiful person, completely clueless but sure the world needs people like ye


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭alroley


    Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
    Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.

    Are you okay?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Scoondal wrote: »
    No, he is in primary.
    There has been no connection between pupil and school. All work was sent to parents. No interactive pupil to class via internet. No communications directly to the pupil.
    It has really opened my eyes to home schooling and what is best for my son's education in the coming months.

    I'm postprimary so I may be incorrect... but due to the fact that most primary schools don't have distance learning/digital communication policies (some post primary schools would have some sort of policy in this regard, my own school has a policy re communicating with students via email that parents and students must sign at the start of the school year) I would imagine that they had to (or felt they weren't sure, so acted on the side of caution) communicate with parents rather than students to ensure child protection protocols were adhered to.

    I'm only guessing but knowing what I do about our own digital learning policy, we wouldn't contact a student directly outside of school without explicit parental consent.

    As long as there was communication I think labelling the teachers as useless is abit unfair. It may have been school policy/lack of clarity regarding what was permissable. Remember teachers aren't routinely trained in distance learning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
    Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.

    What a delightful use of the English language.

    You do realise we didn't close the school buildings and also have no say in reopening them again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Well if it is being suggested then they might want to let parents know ASAP before they going spending precious cash on something that isn't going to be needed.

    Totally agree with you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Well if it is being suggested then they might want to let parents know ASAP before they going spending precious cash on something that isn't going to be needed.

    Keep an eye on The Irish Times. I'd expect going on previous news that that will be where it is announced to the parents. Teachers are bottom of the food chain when it comes to these things.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    to take to get ye leeches back to work.

    Back to work???? But .... that will mean only 6 months summer holidays this year :(:(:(:(:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Back to work???? But .... that will mean only 6 months summer holidays this year :(:(:(:(:(

    And then 2months to Halloween.

    With such a lifestyle you'd have to wonder why some of the posters on boards haven't joined us in our chosen profession?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    I'm postprimary so I may be incorrect... but due to the fact that most primary schools don't have distance learning/digital communication policies (some post primary schools would have some sort of policy in this regard, my own school has a policy re communicating with students via email that parents and students must sign at the start of the school year) I would imagine that they had to (or felt they weren't sure, so acted on the side of caution) communicate with parents rather than students to ensure child protection protocols were adhered to.

    I'm only guessing but knowing what I do about our own digital learning policy, we wouldn't contact a student directly outside of school without explicit parental consent.

    As long as there was communication I think labelling the teachers as useless is abit unfair. It may have been school policy/lack of clarity regarding what was permissable. Remember teachers aren't routinely trained in distance learning.
    My experience in the last four months is that I used to think that the school was progressive and doing more than just the curriculum, now I have no confidence in the school to educate my son even up to the basic curriculum standards.
    I have engaged with home schooling people and they are being very supportive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Scoondal wrote: »
    My experience in the last four months is that I used to think that the school was progressive and doing more than just the curriculum, now I have no confidence in the school to educate my son even up to the basic curriculum standards.
    I have engaged with home schooling people and they are being very supportive.

    Scoondal, if you do go ahead with it, could you set up a separate thread, kinda diary like and tell us how you get on. I would be very interested in hearing about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Scoondal wrote: »
    My experience in the last four months is that I used to think that the school was progressive and doing more than just the curriculum, now I have no confidence in the school to educate my son even up to the basic curriculum standards.
    I have engaged with home schooling people and they are being very supportive.

    I'm glad you've found something that gives you confidence that your son will get the education he deserves. I still am not very clear on what your school did incorrectly, if just as stated above, adherence to child protection protocols would be a positive rather than a negative, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    I'm glad you've found something that gives you confidence that your son will get the education he deserves. I still am not very clear on what your school did incorrectly, if just as stated above, adherence to child protection protocols would be a positive rather than a negative, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.

    If child protection protocals lead to a worse education, is the child gaining from that ?


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Teachers delighted, danger money pay claims incoming..
    All in the interests of the children of course...
    I'm sure you are, but at the same time giddy at the prospect of that long awaited pay rise.
    Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
    Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.
    Threadbanned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Scoondal wrote: »
    If child protection protocals lead to a worse education, is the child gaining from that ?

    I don't understand what is so offensive to you about teachers communicating via a parent? I also don't follow the logic that this leads to a worse education. Can you explain to me what your issue with this was? Maybe I'm just not understanding you properly. Child protection should always be our priority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Scoondal wrote: »
    If child protection protocals lead to a worse education, is the child gaining from that ?

    Child protection is there for everyone. It is the one thing that is very clear for teachers. What is and isn't allowed is very clear. Direct communication with children is a big no no.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    I'm glad you've found something that gives you confidence that your son will get the education he deserves. I still am not very clear on what your school did incorrectly, if just as stated above, adherence to child protection protocols would be a positive rather than a negative, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.

    The thinly veiled snobbery from teachers for frustrated parents wanting to homeschool isnt very endearing.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    I'm glad you've found something that gives you confidence that your son will get the education he deserves. I still am not very clear on what your school did incorrectly, if just as stated above, adherence to child protection protocols would be a positive rather than a negative, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.

    When I was at school, once I appeared in a team picture in a local newspaper. My parent cut it out and kept it. I was proud of that. No one every asked my permission to be published. People like you are nuts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    The thinly veiled snobbery from teachers for frustrated parents wanting to homeschool isnt very endearing.

    What are you on about??? I genuinely wish this poster the best. My cousin was home schooled. I've zero issue or snobbery towards it. Not sure why you think I do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Scoondal wrote: »
    When I was at school, once I appeared in a team picture in a local newspaper. My parent cut it out and kept it. I was proud of that. No one every asked my permission to be published. People like you are nuts.

    Scoondal, that has all changed since we were children basically down to the internet and the ability to use photo edit to change photos for nefarious reasons. Sad but true. Our school had to add a section specifically asking for permission for photos to be taken such as class photos etc and signed by parents.

    I have to sign one every year for my kids, for school, sports clubs etc just the way it is now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Scoondal wrote: »
    When I was at school, once I appeared in a team picture in a local newspaper. My parent cut it out and kept it. I was proud of that. No one every asked my permission to be published. People like you are nuts.

    Different these days. Consent for photo to be taken, consent for use within the school, consent for use in publicity, consent for use in school website, consent for use on school social media. It is a total minefield.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    What are you on about??? I genuinely wish this poster the best. My cousin was home schooled. I've zero issue or snobbery towards it. Not sure why you think I do?

    Your tone. Perhaps lost over text. Another poster with an "ohh keep a diary" post as well, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Scoondal wrote: »
    When I was at school, once I appeared in a team picture in a local newspaper. My parent cut it out and kept it. I was proud of that. No one every asked my permission to be published. People like you are nuts.

    Not sure why you are attacking me? I don't make these policies (assuming you'rereferencing data protection guidelines when you talk about photos) . They're national legislation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Your tone. Perhaps lost over text. Another poster with an "ohh keep a diary" post as well, though.

    THat was genuine.

    Pity you hve such a negative view on the world. I would be interested to know but people like you ruin things. so Thank you for your negative view it eats through everyone of your posts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    markodaly wrote: »
    Can the government also re-write work practices and rules on whim?
    Like hell they can. Unions are a key stakeholder in the Irish education system, you cannot have it both way, that the Unions 'see nothing and do nothing' when it comes to education policy, that of course has to go through them most of the time.






    Well, at least you are honest about it.
    The faux outrage so, of teachers asking for more funding for schools should be taken with a vat of salt.

    Didnt the Unions take a pay claim to the ECJ a few years back and lost?
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/primary-teachers-take-unequal-pay-case-to-ecj-1.3450487

    Perhaps they should have been a bit more productive lobbying for more capital funding for schools instead?

    no, individual teachers asking for more funding for schools should not be taken with a pinch of salt, nor is it fo-outrage.
    the unions representing their members will do fine, if they decide to do more then brilliant, all the better.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Your tone. Perhaps lost over text. Another poster with an "ohh keep a diary" post as well, though.

    Apologies if I came across as snobbish, as you say tone can be hard to decipher in text. I hate when parents tar us all with the same brush (using words like useless) that's why I was trying to explain the school/teacher perspective for the other parent. Although I'm sorry I bothered now as apparently I'm "nuts".


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Interesting. Would like to hear more about why that view exists, but not for here, I guess.

    It's cultural as well, due to our history and family dynamics. Sure a Granny or Aunt can look after the kids while mom and dad goes to work, and a 'creche' is just an extension of that.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement