How will schools be able to go back in September?

Scoondal wrote: »

No, he is in primary.
There has been no connection between pupil and school. All work was sent to parents. No interactive pupil to class via internet. No communications directly to the pupil.
It has really opened my eyes to home schooling and what is best for my son's education in the coming months.

Huge potential child protection issues having direct contact with children. I know personally that email contact had to be via a parental email address. Had to be a parent present for all zoom calls. This was our school policy.

rovers_runner wrote: »

I'm sure you are, but at the same time giddy at the prospect of that long awaited pay rise.

What payrise?

rovers_runner wrote: »

I'm sure you are, but at the same time giddy at the prospect of that long awaited pay rise.

Where is it said that we are looking for or have received a pay rise due to the current crisis?

rovers_runner

khalessi wrote: »

What payrise?

Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.

rovers_runner wrote: »

Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.

You are a beautiful person, completely clueless but sure the world needs people like ye

alroley

rovers_runner wrote: »

Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.

Are you okay?

Scoondal wrote: »

No, he is in primary.
There has been no connection between pupil and school. All work was sent to parents. No interactive pupil to class via internet. No communications directly to the pupil.
It has really opened my eyes to home schooling and what is best for my son's education in the coming months.

I'm postprimary so I may be incorrect... but due to the fact that most primary schools don't have distance learning/digital communication policies (some post primary schools would have some sort of policy in this regard, my own school has a policy re communicating with students via email that parents and students must sign at the start of the school year) I would imagine that they had to (or felt they weren't sure, so acted on the side of caution) communicate with parents rather than students to ensure child protection protocols were adhered to.

I'm only guessing but knowing what I do about our own digital learning policy, we wouldn't contact a student directly outside of school without explicit parental consent.

As long as there was communication I think labelling the teachers as useless is abit unfair. It may have been school policy/lack of clarity regarding what was permissable. Remember teachers aren't routinely trained in distance learning.

rovers_runner wrote: »

Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.

What a delightful use of the English language.

You do realise we didn't close the school buildings and also have no say in reopening them again.

Bananaleaf

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Well if it is being suggested then they might want to let parents know ASAP before they going spending precious cash on something that isn't going to be needed.

Totally agree with you

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Well if it is being suggested then they might want to let parents know ASAP before they going spending precious cash on something that isn't going to be needed.

Keep an eye on The Irish Times. I'd expect going on previous news that that will be where it is announced to the parents. Teachers are bottom of the food chain when it comes to these things.

Bananaleaf

rovers_runner wrote: »

to take to get ye leeches back to work.

Back to work???? But .... that will mean only 6 months summer holidays this year

:(:(:(:(

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Back to work???? But .... that will mean only 6 months summer holidays this year :(:(:(:(

And then 2months to Halloween.

With such a lifestyle you'd have to wonder why some of the posters on boards haven't joined us in our chosen profession?

Scoondal

History Queen wrote: »

I'm postprimary so I may be incorrect... but due to the fact that most primary schools don't have distance learning/digital communication policies (some post primary schools would have some sort of policy in this regard, my own school has a policy re communicating with students via email that parents and students must sign at the start of the school year) I would imagine that they had to (or felt they weren't sure, so acted on the side of caution) communicate with parents rather than students to ensure child protection protocols were adhered to.

I'm only guessing but knowing what I do about our own digital learning policy, we wouldn't contact a student directly outside of school without explicit parental consent.

As long as there was communication I think labelling the teachers as useless is abit unfair. It may have been school policy/lack of clarity regarding what was permissable. Remember teachers aren't routinely trained in distance learning.

My experience in the last four months is that I used to think that the school was progressive and doing more than just the curriculum, now I have no confidence in the school to educate my son even up to the basic curriculum standards.
I have engaged with home schooling people and they are being very supportive.

Scoondal wrote: »

My experience in the last four months is that I used to think that the school was progressive and doing more than just the curriculum, now I have no confidence in the school to educate my son even up to the basic curriculum standards.
I have engaged with home schooling people and they are being very supportive.

Scoondal, if you do go ahead with it, could you set up a separate thread, kinda diary like and tell us how you get on. I would be very interested in hearing about it.

Scoondal wrote: »

My experience in the last four months is that I used to think that the school was progressive and doing more than just the curriculum, now I have no confidence in the school to educate my son even up to the basic curriculum standards.
I have engaged with home schooling people and they are being very supportive.

I'm glad you've found something that gives you confidence that your son will get the education he deserves. I still am not very clear on what your school did incorrectly, if just as stated above, adherence to child protection protocols would be a positive rather than a negative, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.

Scoondal

History Queen wrote: »

I'm glad you've found something that gives you confidence that your son will get the education he deserves. I still am not very clear on what your school did incorrectly, if just as stated above, adherence to child protection protocols would be a positive rather than a negative, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.

If child protection protocals lead to a worse education, is the child gaining from that ?

Beasty

rovers_runner wrote: »

Teachers delighted, danger money pay claims incoming..
All in the interests of the children of course...

rovers_runner wrote: »

I'm sure you are, but at the same time giddy at the prospect of that long awaited pay rise.

rovers_runner wrote: »

Danger money, payrise, pay restoration.
Call it whatever you want, it's what it's going to take to get ye leeches back to work.

Threadbanned

Scoondal wrote: »

If child protection protocals lead to a worse education, is the child gaining from that ?

I don't understand what is so offensive to you about teachers communicating via a parent? I also don't follow the logic that this leads to a worse education. Can you explain to me what your issue with this was? Maybe I'm just not understanding you properly. Child protection should always be our priority.

Scoondal wrote: »

If child protection protocals lead to a worse education, is the child gaining from that ?

Child protection is there for everyone. It is the one thing that is very clear for teachers. What is and isn't allowed is very clear. Direct communication with children is a big no no.

timmy_mallet

History Queen wrote: »

I'm glad you've found something that gives you confidence that your son will get the education he deserves. I still am not very clear on what your school did incorrectly, if just as stated above, adherence to child protection protocols would be a positive rather than a negative, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.

The thinly veiled snobbery from teachers for frustrated parents wanting to homeschool isnt very endearing.

Scoondal

History Queen wrote: »

I'm glad you've found something that gives you confidence that your son will get the education he deserves. I still am not very clear on what your school did incorrectly, if just as stated above, adherence to child protection protocols would be a positive rather than a negative, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.

When I was at school, once I appeared in a team picture in a local newspaper. My parent cut it out and kept it. I was proud of that. No one every asked my permission to be published. People like you are nuts.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

The thinly veiled snobbery from teachers for frustrated parents wanting to homeschool isnt very endearing.

What are you on about??? I genuinely wish this poster the best. My cousin was home schooled. I've zero issue or snobbery towards it. Not sure why you think I do?

Scoondal wrote: »

When I was at school, once I appeared in a team picture in a local newspaper. My parent cut it out and kept it. I was proud of that. No one every asked my permission to be published. People like you are nuts.

Scoondal, that has all changed since we were children basically down to the internet and the ability to use photo edit to change photos for nefarious reasons. Sad but true. Our school had to add a section specifically asking for permission for photos to be taken such as class photos etc and signed by parents.

I have to sign one every year for my kids, for school, sports clubs etc just the way it is now.

Scoondal wrote: »

When I was at school, once I appeared in a team picture in a local newspaper. My parent cut it out and kept it. I was proud of that. No one every asked my permission to be published. People like you are nuts.

Different these days. Consent for photo to be taken, consent for use within the school, consent for use in publicity, consent for use in school website, consent for use on school social media. It is a total minefield.

timmy_mallet

History Queen wrote: »

What are you on about??? I genuinely wish this poster the best. My cousin was home schooled. I've zero issue or snobbery towards it. Not sure why you think I do?

Your tone. Perhaps lost over text. Another poster with an "ohh keep a diary" post as well, though.

Scoondal wrote: »

When I was at school, once I appeared in a team picture in a local newspaper. My parent cut it out and kept it. I was proud of that. No one every asked my permission to be published. People like you are nuts.

Not sure why you are attacking me? I don't make these policies (assuming you'rereferencing data protection guidelines when you talk about photos) . They're national legislation.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Your tone. Perhaps lost over text. Another poster with an "ohh keep a diary" post as well, though.

THat was genuine.

Pity you hve such a negative view on the world. I would be interested to know but people like you ruin things. so Thank you for your negative view it eats through everyone of your posts.

end of the road

markodaly wrote: »

Can the government also re-write work practices and rules on whim?
Like hell they can. Unions are a key stakeholder in the Irish education system, you cannot have it both way, that the Unions 'see nothing and do nothing' when it comes to education policy, that of course has to go through them most of the time.

Well, at least you are honest about it.
The faux outrage so, of teachers asking for more funding for schools should be taken with a vat of salt.

Didnt the Unions take a pay claim to the ECJ a few years back and lost?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/primary-teachers-take-unequal-pay-case-to-ecj-1.3450487

Perhaps they should have been a bit more productive lobbying for more capital funding for schools instead?

no, individual teachers asking for more funding for schools should not be taken with a pinch of salt, nor is it fo-outrage.
the unions representing their members will do fine, if they decide to do more then brilliant, all the better.