How will schools be able to go back in September?

wirelessdude01 · 15-07-2020 03:19PM

arctictree wrote: »

How about creches started expanding and start teaching junior/senior infants?

Not sure where you or what you have seen but creches are contracting in size around here and some have permanently shutdown.

markodaly · 15-07-2020 03:19PM

arctictree wrote: »

How about creches started expanding and start teaching junior/senior infants?

Not a bad idea in the whole. They do something like this in Finland and Sweden afaik. Children don't go to school until they are 7 or 8. Now that does not mean they are at home or in some 'creche' as we like to call it in Ireland.

They go to a Early Learning Childcare Centre with a proper curriculum, where early childcare teachers are seen as the equals of primary school teachers.

Now, the average Primary school teacher in Ireland would not be seen dead in one of these places as they think its beneath them. There is major inertia of outdated ideas about a 'creche' or this type of educational environment.

The very fact that we use the word creche still in Ireland tells you all you need to know what value we put in Early Learning.

Now, where have the INTO, TUI or ASTI been when it comes to ELCC's? Yea, nowhere...
Oh but we are led to believe they care about the educational outcomes of Irish children.

Any new investment in Irish education should be going towards that sector first and foremost. We are decades behind many parts of the world when it comes to Early Learning. The sad thing is much of society thinks it's glorified babysitting and more sadly many teachers would be in that camp as well.

timmy_mallet · 15-07-2020 03:28PM

markodaly wrote: »

Not a bad idea in the whole. They do something like this in Finland and Sweden afaik. Children don't go to school until they are 7 or 8. Now that does not mean they are at home or in some 'creche' as we like to call it in Ireland.

They go to a Early Learning Childcare Centre with a proper curriculum, where early childcare teachers are seen as the equals of primary school teachers.

Now, the average Primary school teacher in Ireland would not be seen dead in one of these places as they think its beneath them. There is major inertia of outdated ideas about a 'creche' or this type of educational environment.

The very fact that we use the word creche still in Ireland tells you all you need to know what value we put in Early Learning.

Now, where have the INTO, TUI or ASTI been when it comes to ELCC's? Yea, nowhere...
Oh but we are led to believe they care about the educational outcomes of Irish children.

Any new investment in Irish education should be going towards that sector first and foremost. We are decades behind many parts of the world when it comes to Early Learning. The sad thing is much of society thinks it's glorified babysitting and more sadly many teachers would be in that camp as well.

Interesting. Would like to hear more about why that view exists, but not for here, I guess.

History Queen · 15-07-2020 03:30PM

markodaly wrote: »

Not a bad idea in the whole. They do something like this in Finland and Sweden afaik. Children don't go to school until they are 7 or 8. Now that does not mean they are at home or in some 'creche' as we like to call it in Ireland.

They go to a Early Learning Childcare Centre with a proper curriculum, where early childcare teachers are seen as the equals of primary school teachers.

Now, the average Primary school teacher in Ireland would not be seen dead in one of these places as they think its beneath them. There is major inertia of outdated ideas about a 'creche' or this type of educational environment.

The very fact that we use the word creche still in Ireland tells you all you need to know what value we put in Early Learning.

Now, where have the INTO, TUI or ASTI been when it comes to ELCC's? Yea, nowhere...
Oh but we are led to believe they care about the educational outcomes of Irish children.

Any new investment in Irish education should be going towards that sector first and foremost. We are decades behind many parts of the world when it comes to Early Learning. The sad thing is much of society thinks it's glorified babysitting and more sadly many teachers would be in that camp as well.

Hilarious

wirelessdude01 · 15-07-2020 03:31PM

markodaly wrote: »

Not a bad idea in the whole. They do something like this in Finland and Sweden afaik. Children don't go to school until they are 7 or 8. Now that does not mean they are at home or in some 'creche' as we like to call it in Ireland.

They go to a Early Learning Childcare Centre with a proper curriculum, where early childcare teachers are seen as the equals of primary school teachers.

Now, the average Primary school teacher in Ireland would not be seen dead in one of these places as they think its beneath them. There is major inertia of outdated ideas about a 'creche' or this type of educational environment.

The very fact that we use the word creche still in Ireland tells you all you need to know what value we put in Early Learning.

Now, where have the INTO, TUI or ASTI been when it comes to ELCC's? Yea, nowhere...
Oh but we are led to believe they care about the educational outcomes of Irish children.

Any new investment in Irish education should be going towards that sector first and foremost. We are decades behind many parts of the world when it comes to Early Learning. The sad thing is much of society thinks it's glorified babysitting and more sadly many teachers would be in that camp as well.

Why would either of those unions be interested in those areas as they would have zero members there? You really have no clue.

I'll admit with regards to work I have ZERO interest in that area. If I had an interest I would have trained in it. It's like saying that FE teachers should be advocating for something in primary. People look after their own area.

Sanjuro · 15-07-2020 04:17PM

markodaly wrote: »

Now, the average Primary school teacher in Ireland would not be seen dead in one of these places as they think its beneath them. There is major inertia of outdated ideas about a 'creche' or this type of educational environment.

Oh for christ sake. Have you got citations for this?

blanch152 · 15-07-2020 04:37PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I was just chatting to a neighbour who works in a community playschool . They are all having meeting to have plans in place for September . They are planning for a best case scenario and planning for a not so great scenario . They have their plans mapped out and all being informed and all asked for their input .
People are planning and getting ready and yet our school teachers seems to be the last to know and the last to be asked or informed about plans
It really is an absolute scandal at this stage that the DoE seems to be still dragging their heels and hoping it will all go away .

Should teachers and unions be screaming from the rooftops now to let the public now what a farce this is ?

https://www.education.ie/covid19

Here is the full list of resources provided to schools.

Looks to me like there is plenty of guidance available.

As things change, it gets updated. We still have no decision on Phase 4, so schools can only do a certain amount of planning without it?

Personally, I know of three schools that are very advanced in planning for September.

iamwhoiam · 15-07-2020 04:54PM

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.education.ie/covid19

Here is the full list of resources provided to schools.

Looks to me like there is plenty of guidance available.

As things change, it gets updated. We still have no decision on Phase 4, so schools can only do a certain amount of planning without it?

Personally, I know of three schools that are very advanced in planning for September.

Thanks for that will have a good read of it later . Good to hear of planning happening

khalessi · 15-07-2020 05:15PM

markodaly wrote: »

Not a bad idea in the whole. They do something like this in Finland and Sweden afaik. Children don't go to school until they are 7 or 8. Now that does not mean they are at home or in some 'creche' as we like to call it in Ireland.

They go to a Early Learning Childcare Centre with a proper curriculum, where early childcare teachers are seen as the equals of primary school teachers.

Now, the average Primary school teacher in Ireland would not be seen dead in one of these places as they think its beneath them. There is major inertia of outdated ideas about a 'creche' or this type of educational environment.

The very fact that we use the word creche still in Ireland tells you all you need to know what value we put in Early Learning.

Now, where have the INTO, TUI or ASTI been when it comes to ELCC's? Yea, nowhere...
Oh but we are led to believe they care about the educational outcomes of Irish children.

Any new investment in Irish education should be going towards that sector first and foremost. We are decades behind many parts of the world when it comes to Early Learning. The sad thing is much of society thinks it's glorified babysitting and more sadly many teachers would be in that camp as well.

The Aistear programme that is used in Junior Infants was developed from the Early learning programme in creches your lack of knowledge on what teachers will do is astounding.

Would you not just go troll else where?

s1ippy · 15-07-2020 05:18PM

Wearing masks is being made mandatory in retail environments, now surely DoE will have no choice but to provide PPE and insist it is worn by school staff and students.

History Queen · 15-07-2020 05:45PM

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.education.ie/covid19

Here is the full list of resources provided to schools.

Looks to me like there is plenty of guidance available.

As things change, it gets updated. We still have no decision on Phase 4, so schools can only do a certain amount of planning without it?

Personally, I know of three schools that are very advanced in planning for September.

No provision in most of that for many issues (I appreciate some are unique to second level schools)/subject options/practical subjects/substitute teachers/canteen/lack of hand washing facilities/social areas etc.

Purple Mountain · 15-07-2020 05:55PM

I'm a mother and I'm torn about paying the bus fee that's now due at the end of the month and buying a whole new uniform for the year.

wirelessdude01 · 15-07-2020 06:07PM

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.education.ie/covid19

Here is the full list of resources provided to schools.

Looks to me like there is plenty of guidance available.

As things change, it gets updated. We still have no decision on Phase 4, so schools can only do a certain amount of planning without it?

Personally, I know of three schools that are very advanced in planning for September.

Did you actually look at that? Nothing of any substance or practical reality in there at all.

History Queen · 15-07-2020 06:22PM

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.education.ie/covid19

Here is the full list of resources provided to schools.

Looks to me like there is plenty of guidance available.

As things change, it gets updated. We still have no decision on Phase 4, so schools can only do a certain amount of planning without it?

Personally, I know of three schools that are very advanced in planning for September.

No provision in most of that for many issues (I appreciate some are unique to second level schools)/subject options/practical subjects/substitute teachers/canteen/lack of hand washing facilities/social areas etc.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 06:24PM

Now that Phase 5 has been returned to where it was, will the schools open?

Icantthinkof1 · 15-07-2020 08:16PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I'm a mother and I'm torn about paying the bus fee that's now due at the end of the month and buying a whole new uniform for the year.

I’ve no intention of buying any uniforms until I know for definite that my children will be returning to school. I’m starting to seriously doubt that they will.

Sammy2012 · 15-07-2020 08:20PM

Part of the reason not to reopen pubs is so schools can reopen or so said MM during the press conference

Icantthinkof1 · 15-07-2020 08:23PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Part of the reason not to reopen pubs is so schools can reopen or so said MM during the press conference

I think he is just paying lip service and already knows that schools won’t reopen as there would have been uproar at the end of August that the Government allowed for pubs to open and not schools- but I really hope I am wrong (I usually am!) Christ at this stage who knows; anything could happen; they may even open the pubs and use them as schools

Sammy2012 · 15-07-2020 08:25PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I think he is just paying lip service and already knows that schools won’t reopen as there would have been uproar at the end of August that the Government allowed for pubs to open and not schools- but I really hope I am wrong (I usually am!)

I agree with you but I'm still living in hope schools will reopen then. I keep saying it but I want to go back to work. This online stuff just doesnt work for me.

Icantthinkof1 · 15-07-2020 08:28PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

I agree with you but I'm still living in hope schools will reopen then. I keep saying it but I want to go back to work. This online stuff just doesnt work for me.

I too am living in hope. My poor children were losing brain cells daily while I was ‘teaching’ them; they’ll never survive another 9months of me being teacher!

KerryConnor · 15-07-2020 08:32PM

I'm a primary teacher and assuming primary will be back full time . Hope to god they will I found the online very stressful and my own kids were very unmotivated with their own work. Partly because I was so preoccupied with my own job so was unable to focus on them.
I'm mentally preparing for me and my youngest (who is in primary) to be back in full time and my older lads (who are in secondary) to be part time.
They ll be letting themselves into an empty house, we ll just have to hide the PlayStation and have a little check in each evening with them, try and get them into some sort of routine.

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I too am living in hope! My poor children were losing brain cells daily while I was ‘teaching’ them!

Sammy2012 · 15-07-2020 08:32PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I too am living in hope. My poor children were losing brain cells daily while I was ‘teaching’ them; they’ll never survive another 9months of me being teacher!

I am a teacher and I dont think I gave 100% to my own kids or the kids in my class. The thoughts of returning to that are sickening. Schools need to open. They need to figure out how it will work. And get on with it.

arctictree · 15-07-2020 09:03PM

What I don't understand is why there is such an issue around funding for PPE. Surely it would only cost a few million. The Government approved 3,000 million in extra borrowing for the covid payment at the stroke of a pen.

jrosen · 15-07-2020 09:15PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I'm a mother and I'm torn about paying the bus fee that's now due at the end of the month and buying a whole new uniform for the year.

I paid our bus today for both kids. We rely on the bus to get them to and from school. We cant bring them as we are both going the opposite way to work. I was afraid we would loose the seat. But im sitting tight and not paying a penny to anything else.

Purple Mountain · 15-07-2020 09:19PM

jrosen wrote: »

I paid our bus today for both kids. We rely on the bus to get them to and from school. We cant bring them as we are both going the opposite way to work. I was afraid we would loose the seat. But im sitting tight and not paying a penny to anything else.

I might just pay the first installation.
It's a big chunk to be told no school in September.

wirelessdude01 · 15-07-2020 09:20PM

arctictree wrote: »

What I don't understand is why there is such an issue around funding for PPE. Surely it would only cost a few million. The Government approved 3,000 million in extra borrowing for the covid payment at the stroke of a pen.

Because it is for education. They consider money invested in it a total waste. Ypu already see the attitude of some on here with their comments along the lines of 'suck it up' and 'stepping up'.

jrosen · 15-07-2020 09:27PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I might just pay the first installation.
It's a big chunk to be told no school in September.

Sorry I should have said, I only paid half too.

ChelseaRentBoy · 15-07-2020 09:30PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I’ve no intention of buying any uniforms until I know for definite that my children will be returning to school. I’m starting to seriously doubt that they will.

Id say its odds on they won't be back until 2021.

morebabies · 15-07-2020 09:39PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I might just pay the first installation.
It's a big chunk to be told no school in September.

I'm in the same predicament - plus we might have to wait until next summer for the refund if schools don't open fully.

timmy_mallet · 15-07-2020 09:44PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Id say its odds on they won't be back until 2021.

If even.

Meanwhile the majority of the rest of Europe has managed to be back at school 2 months already.

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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