Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Bishop of hope · 11-07-2020 09:33PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This 'abandonment' thing is a myth. The area (I live in it) is policed like all other areas of the state. It's not bandit country or lawless like those under pressure to explain like to claim.

The security forces of the state paid no attention to certain criminal activities but had no problem going after other ex IRA people who had turned to crime. The 'price of peace' didn't come into it then.

Why that was and why it happened in divisions of the Gardai that have other issues of national significance is still open to speculation.

Oh the old, bandit territory exists alright, the border hopping criminals use it all the time.
The Lunney case, the atm robberies the lordship credit union robbery, the fuel laundering etc.
Of course normal life goes on around it too and only a tiny few are involved in it, but the border area is pretty much a hotbed of criminal activity.

Truthvader · 11-07-2020 10:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This 'abandonment' thing is a myth. The area (I live in it) is policed like all other areas of the state. It's not bandit country or lawless like those under pressure to explain like to claim.

The security forces of the state paid no attention to certain criminal activities but had no problem going after other ex IRA people who had turned to crime. The 'price of peace' didn't come into it then.

Why that was and why it happened in divisions of the Gardai that have other issues of national significance is still open to speculation.

Don't know what ex (or current) IRA people the state actually went after. Certainly not Bobby Storey who ended his miserable days cossetted in a cosy bed being cared for by a state whose citizens he devoted his life to murdering, not the killers of Paul Quin, Robert McCartney or Joe Rafferty - and sure the ones we did catch (Garda McCabes killers) had to be let go because Gerry and the lads would only agree to stop killing if they were let off.

No idea at all what your final sentence means and indeed it may not be accessible to any meaning at all. Is it meant to be some kind of dark hint that the Guards are "up to something"?

Truthvader · 11-07-2020 10:24PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Oh the old, bandit territory exists alright, the border hopping criminals use it all the time.
The Lunney case, the atm robberies the lordship credit union robbery, the fuel laundering etc.
Of course normal life goes on around it too and only a tiny few are involved in it, but the border area is pretty much a hotbed of criminal activity.

Now now now. you forgot again, Slab ah er .... sorry Mr Murphy is what? come come ? what is he? come on boys think. No no no

Thomas 'Slab' Murphy is "a very typical rural man" and "very nice", according to Sinn Féin's Mary Lou McDonald.

Nothing to see here move along now

FrancieBrady · 11-07-2020 11:29PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Oh the old, bandit territory exists alright, the border hopping criminals use it all the time.
The Lunney case, the atm robberies the lordship credit union robbery, the fuel laundering etc.
Of course normal life goes on around it too and only a tiny few are involved in it, but the border area is pretty much a hotbed of criminal activity.

Some of it carried out with impunity and some of it not. Why is that? 8 years they were intimidating and commiting crime around the Quinn affair...nothing, In comes a higher power in the Gardai, suddenly things start happening. Why was that?

FrancieBrady · 11-07-2020 11:34PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Don't know what ex (or current) IRA people the state actually went after. Certainly not Bobby Storey who ended his miserable days cossetted in a cosy bed being cared for by a state whose citizens he devoted his life to murdering, not the killers of Paul Quin, Robert McCartney or Joe Rafferty - and sure the ones we did catch (Garda McCabes killers) had to be let go because Gerry and the lads would only agree to stop killing if they were let off.

No idea at all what your final sentence means and indeed it may not be accessible to any meaning at all. Is it meant to be some kind of dark hint that the Guards are "up to something"?

Want to start trading lists around the country of crimes?

Borders are the cause of smuggling the world over, yes there is a higher incidence of that type of crime here. Most 'normal' states would beef up security forces to cope with it, here we strip out the security forces from the area.

I could take you to several places selling smuggled and laundered fuel, why is it that this goes on and nobody does anything?

RandomViewer · 12-07-2020 12:37AM

Truthvader wrote: »

Truth is the state on both sides of the border had to turn a blind eye to criminal elements on both sides and abadonned working class areas to the local hard men on both sides. Plus had to release Gerry McCabes killers and pretend the Mexicans robbed the Northern Bank. The price of peace. The Kevin Lunney thing was just part of the hidden cost nice professional people rarely have to pay

Think you are missing part of the puzzle in the Lunny case, main suspect dead, vehicles destroyed in Garda custody, someone with a lot of pull at work here.

a very cool kid · 12-07-2020 12:57AM

efanton wrote: »

Pensions as stated in my original post should not be a problem at all. The British government has collected pension contributions for decades.
They would have basically three choices.
1. They transfer the pension reserves they have previously collected from Northern Ireland to the Irish government,
2. they make a yearly contribution to the Irish government commensurate withe the contributions they have previously collected and according to the number of people who were already retired when a United Ireland came into being,
3. or they simply decide that they will hold on to these funds and continue paying pensions for those that were on a pension before a United Ireland came into being.

Currency exchange issues?
You do realise in a United Ireland there would be a single currency.

I think you are trying to create problems that simply will not be there.

The biggest issue that is unknown is how much would the actual transition of services and absorption of the various government departments in Northern Ireland cost. No doubt there will be substantial funding from the EU and UK for this, but I would imagine there still going to be a very hefty cost for the Irish government. Having said that the transition will take years to take effect, so any cost although great would be spread over a long period.

In the UK people working now effectively pay the pensions of those who have retired. While pensions are funded through National Insurance there's no built up fund - it's paid out from National Insurance coming in. If the people of NI are not paying into the National Insurance fund, the UK does not have a fund for the retired people in NI.

By currency change I meant the effect of changing from Sterling to Euro in NI. Prices will go up when they switch (same as they did here in 2002). Also bear in mind that NI groceries/consumer goods in a UI - Brexit world will be sourced from the EU so prices there will be the same as down here (NI currently does 10 times more trade with the UK than it does with ROI).

Lastly the EU has changed significantly since 1989. We have 27 countries now and Ireland is among the very richest. It is difficult to see how the like of Romania and Bulgaria (where wages ~800 a month) would allow a heap of funding to subsidise comparatively high salaries in NI. Also given the rise of nationalism in the UK, it's hard to see a Tory government funding reunification - easy to see Ireland being told to "go whistle".

efanton · 12-07-2020 05:38AM

a very cool kid wrote: »

In the UK people working now effectively pay the pensions of those who have retired. While pensions are funded through National Insurance there's no built up fund - it's paid out from National Insurance coming in. If the people of NI are not paying into the National Insurance fund, the UK does not have a fund for the retired people in NI.

workers have made contributions toward their state pension. Whether the UK government has chosen to spend that money or put it aside is irrelevant.
The simple point is those contributions will either have to be transferred to the Irish government, or The British Government will have to continue to honour the payment of pensions under its own pension scheme.

By currency change I meant the effect of changing from Sterling to Euro in NI. Prices will go up when they switch (same as they did here in 2002). Also bear in mind that NI groceries/consumer goods in a UI - Brexit world will be sourced from the EU so prices there will be the same as down here (NI currently does 10 times more trade with the UK than it does with ROI).

So the people in the North now start paying for their goods in Euro's, what's the issue? They will also be paid in euro's.
If there is a border poll, and the people of the North choose a United Ireland I am absolutely certain this issue will be talked to death, and it will be a choice they make.

The republic does a massive amount of trade with the UK as well. Brexit (even if it goes badly) will not stop the republic from trading with the UK, so again whats the problem?
As it is they are trading under EU rules at the moment so there will be no real change.

Lastly the EU has changed significantly since 1989. We have 27 countries now and Ireland is among the very richest. It is difficult to see how the like of Romania and Bulgaria (where wages ~800 a month) would allow a heap of funding to subsidise comparatively high salaries in NI. Also given the rise of nationalism in the UK, it's hard to see a Tory government funding reunification - easy to see Ireland being told to "go whistle".

Yes the EU has grown. Any funding from the EU will not be allowed to be spent artificially boosting wages any how, that's totally against the EU rules.
None of the EU funding that went to those countries was used to boost wages. Any increase in wages that happened in these countries was a natural consequence of increased trade and prosperity in those countries.

What they will offer funding for is towards the transitional costs of the government merging departments and services, road signage, etc and probably some funding for businesses towards enabling them to adapt EU trade rules and adopting EU standards. This additional funding was also available to all the countries that recently joined the EU. Nothing different there, except that most people never knew that this happens. No doubt the funding will have to be on a larger scale, but as previously stated in my earlier post the EU gave Germany €228 billion for their transition. We potentially will not be getting even a tiny fraction ofthat, but a tiny fraction of that amount i still an awful lot of money.

The EU has already piled in Hundreds of millions into Northern Ireland under its Northern Ireland PEACE programme since the Good Friday Agreement, and some of that money also went to the Irish government.
All those cross border bodies that both the Irish government and the UK government created have been funded by the EU, as well as all the cross border community groups and schemes, and job creation schemes
.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/102/northern-ireland-peace-programme

https://www.seupb.eu/sites/default/files/styles/file_entity_browser_thumbnail/public/PEACE%20Content%20Type/9668%20-%20SEUPB%20The%20Story%20of%20Peace%20D9.pdf

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44295917

https://www.finance-ni.gov.uk/topics/finance/european-funding-2014-2020

They have also stated that they will continue that support in the event of a United Ireland and make additional funding available to help fund the transition.

When the unification of Germany happened the EU gave Germany 3% of the entire EU's GDP. That equates to total EU funding for Germany unification in the 1980's of $228 billion dollars. (that was then, not what that would be worth in today's money).
Now it would be totally ludicrous to think that a United Ireland would get anything near that amount. But it would be reasonably to assume that they would be likely to offer something in the region of a few billion over the transition period, considering that they are heavily invested in Northern Ireland already.

Pkiernan · 12-07-2020 08:06AM

Don't worry. MLMD is going to tax the rich!

Poor_old_gill · 12-07-2020 08:12AM

Pkiernan wrote: »

Don't worry. MLMD is going to tax the rich!

Don’t you mean the ‘fat cats’.
Inflammatory language is a staple for SF

Bishop of hope · 12-07-2020 08:36AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some of it carried out with impunity and some of it not. Why is that? 8 years they were intimidating and commiting crime around the Quinn affair...nothing, In comes a higher power in the Gardai, suddenly things start happening. Why was that?

Some questionable stuff I admit and there's bad apples on every tree.
As I sad bandit country.

Bishop of hope · 12-07-2020 08:45AM

Two wrongs don't make a right, but the second wrong has started.
The drum and the flag and the sash will march today amid the virus, cretons.

McMurphy · 12-07-2020 09:12AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right, but the second wrong has started.
The drum and the flag and the sash will march today amid the virus, cretons.

On the Sabbath

Mortelaro · 12-07-2020 09:16AM

McMurphy wrote: »

On the Sabbath

They will be heard today, they will congregate practising loudly

McMurphy · 12-07-2020 10:10AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

They will be heard today, they will congregate practising loudly

So long as they're not forcing their way up a nationalist street, aided and abetted by a supposedly impartial police force, or spitting at little kids and their parents trying to get to their school I have zero problem with their marching, or practising for same.

Let them at it.

Mortelaro · 12-07-2020 10:28AM

Meanwhile, an outside Police chief has been appointed to investigate the Belfast funeral
This from yesterday's Irish times

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/english-police-chief-to-oversee-storey-funeral-investigation-1.4302526

Bishop of hope · 12-07-2020 10:32AM

McMurphy wrote: »

So long as they're not forcing their way up a nationalist street, aided and abetted by a supposedly impartial police force, or spitting at little kids and their parents trying to get to their school I have zero problem with their marching, or practising for same.

Let them at it.

The queen's Highway.
Joking aside, that's the deep divisions exposed isn't it really.
Violence is only a turn of a street away at the best of times.

McMurphy · 12-07-2020 10:37AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Meanwhile, an outside Police chief has been appointed to investigate the Belfast funeral
This from yesterday's Irish times

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/english-police-chief-to-oversee-storey-funeral-investigation-1.4302526

I would imagine this is why.

Meanwhile, the North’s Police Ombudsman is considering a complaint from a member of the public regarding PSNI action leading up to the funeral.

The PSNI said in a statement: “Until a conclusion is reached on both matters, the Police Service of Northern Ireland will be making no further comment.”

Will anyone be investigating the mourners breaching social distancing guidelines at Garda Horkans funeral btw?

Randy Archer · 12-07-2020 10:47AM

Bowie wrote: »

I see Haughey got a state one, gun running. Michael Collins, terrorism. DeValera fraud, terrorism...
Do you think having Flanagan near the flag is a farce? I do. Each to his own. Flag belongs to the country.

Haughey was ACQUITTED of those offences ! Gibbons gave contradictory evidence in the Court compared to Dáil Éireann as to whether the shipment was Authorised . More to it between Gibbons and Lynch that meets the eye, they may well have been playing silly games but when the cargo was found that shat themselves

Unlike the Provos , Collins actually had a MANDATE and support of the public, and this was confirmed in the 1920 General Elections and the local elections, and the elections of 1922 . The public across the active counties risked their lives and property to shelter the Flying Columns . The IRA were used as Civic Police and provided security to the Dáil Courts .

While the IRA of Collins time did kill civilians on QUESTIONABLE grounds that they were spies , and innocent bystanders did get caught in the cross fire (Upton Train Station ambush) their track record was nothing remotely compared to the destruction of innocent civilians inflicted by the Provos . Unlike the Provos , the IRA of Collins time primarily targeted RIC, Auxies, British army and Tans. Provos killed more Catholic civilians than they killed Unionist /Loyalist Paramilitaries!

De Valera was in the US for the majority of the Tan War . “Fraud” ...well, history of the Irish Press is dodgy alright but he learned all that skullduggery from Tammany Hall USA

In addition to success in elections, the public knew exactly what the money raised by State bonds was for ...

IRA in Collins time didn’t rob banks or Post Offices either

Comparison to 1916-1921 to Provisos is grossly dishonest , deluded and down right ****ing lies and only spouted by the most depraved headbangers of this country ,to suit their twisted needs . Clearly they were accustomed to dusters being thrown at them in school, if they even bothered going

Mortelaro · 12-07-2020 10:49AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Will anyone be investigating the mourners breaching social distancing guidelines at Garda Horkans funeral btw?

I'll speculate that No one complained, ergo no investigation
I'll speculate there were plenty complaints in Belfast

Truthvader · 12-07-2020 11:07AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Want to start trading lists around the country of crimes?

Borders are the cause of smuggling the world over, yes there is a higher incidence of that type of crime here. Most 'normal' states would beef up security forces to cope with it, here we strip out the security forces from the area.

I could take you to several places selling smuggled and laundered fuel, why is it that this goes on and nobody does anything?

Thats a good question Francie and it seems you have personal knowledge of this rampant criminality in your area which you keep telling us is absolutely normal with no IRA presence etc. I can only urge you as Gerry Adams would to report this activity to the Guards or PSNI.Let us all know how you get on.

Randy Archer · 12-07-2020 11:10AM

Bowie wrote: »

I believe they achieved enough to put down guns and turn to politics. So fair play if he helped with that.
Likely there were numerous former IRA there.
Are you criticising them for not forming an illegal armed guard?

Laughable bull****. Utter nonsense and zero basis for it

The British security had infuriated the IRA by 1998 big time !! The ceasefire of 1994 was the worse thing to happen to the military side of the Republican movement .

Super grasses like Donaldson , Gilmore and McFarland had done serious damage . Girlfriends and wives of IRA members were running to the RUC in a desperate bid to save their men from death, before taking part in operations. The Ra was riddled with informers at this point , the cops in Belfast were thwarting IRA operations in Belfast big time, noted by historians for stopping 8 out of every 10 planned attacks

Ra lads , being years in intense situations and on the run had let themselves lose and with beer and the typical “you know who I am ,hi” (as we know from the Robert McCartney murder years later) was common

Oh sure, the IRA knew it had tout problems And they reorganised into smaller cells , but the Brits were getting closer. Attacks like Europa Hotel did nothing good for PR either ! Manchester bombings were a disaster with regard to public support in Ireland and Britain (Manchester being a heavily populated city for the Irish )

What did they achieve ? Absolutely nothing . IRA FAILED

No United Ireland . The British always marvelled on how SF were smart enough to spin their failure into a success story (GFA) while Ulster Unionists and DUP were not smart enough to point out that they were successful and some how paint GFA was a failure and a surrender - it wasn’t GFA was status quo. GFA continued on from what Anglo Irish Agreement and Downing Street Declaration aimed for . No one stopped SF from running in elections

The success of the British Intelligence from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s FORCED THE IRA INTO ACCEPTING PEACE

McGuinness and Adams has been quietly talking to the Brits about peace since the 1980s (not suggesting they got compromised) The Brits had slowly realised that any peace in the future would need to involve IRA members . Besides Shinners were starting to win seats at this time

How stupid and dishonest do ye Shinners have to be to swallow that muck ye spout . ?

Truthvader · 12-07-2020 11:17AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Think you are missing part of the puzzle in the Lunny case, main suspect dead, vehicles destroyed in Garda custody, someone with a lot of pull at work here.

OK this is tremendous stuff. Please please elaborate on this theory. Is Golman Sachs and the freemasons infiltrating the Guards, the PSNI and the English police to murder a criminal in England with a pretend heart attack (English medical authrities also run by MI5) so that.....sorry losing it here. Please please please let us all know your theory. Are you Lord Lucan?

Randy Archer · 12-07-2020 11:22AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

SF did not have a presence here in Gov in those days did they?

Not saying it was right, it was despicable. Just making the point.

wasn’t Gerry well aware of his brother being an Incestuous nonce? What did he do ? Transferred him to Dundalk , to work with kids. But hey, Adams eile was only into family members

FrancieBrady · 12-07-2020 11:25AM

Randy Archer wrote: »

Laughable bull****. Utter nonsense and zero basis for it

The British security had infuriated the IRA by 1998 big time !! The ceasefire of 1994 was the worse thing to happen to the military side of the Republican movement .

Super grasses like Donaldson , Gilmore and McFarland had done serious damage . Girlfriends and wives of IRA members were running to the RUC in a desperate bid to save their men from death, before taking part in operations. The Ra was riddled with informers at this point , the cops in Belfast were thwarting IRA operations in Belfast big time, noted by historians for stopping 8 out of every 10 planned attacks

Ra lads , being years in intense situations and on the run had let themselves lose and with beer and the typical “you know who I am ,hi” (as we know from the Robert McCartney murder years later) was common

Oh sure, the IRA knew it had tout problems And they reorganised into smaller cells , but the Brits were getting closer. Attacks like Europa Hotel did nothing good for PR either ! Manchester bombings were a disaster with regard to public support in Ireland and Britain (Manchester being a heavily populated city for the Irish )

What did they achieve ? Absolutely nothing . IRA FAILED

No United Ireland . The British always marvelled on how SF were smart enough to spin their failure into a success story (GFA) while Ulster Unionists and DUP were not smart enough to point out that they were successful and some how paint GFA was a failure and a surrender - it wasn’t GFA was status quo. GFA continued on from what Anglo Irish Agreement and Downing Street Declaration aimed for . No one stopped SF from running in elections

The success of the British Intelligence from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s FORCED THE IRA INTO ACCEPTING PEACE

McGuinness and Adams has been quietly talking to the Brits about peace since the 1980s (not suggesting they got compromised) The Brits has slowly realised that any peace in the future would need to involve IRA members . Besides Shinners were starting to win seats at this time

How stupid and dishonest do he Shinners have to be to swallow that muck ye spout . ?

I'm delighted the IRA are gone, but there is no point lying about it either. The above is the British/Unionist centric version of how it all played out and is faulty.

No doubt the British had spies but the IRA cellular structure limited what they could do. That is evidenced by the IRA's big hits during this period. Also the IRA decommissioned on their terms, nobody else's. The British were forced to drop that demand and allow an armed group to the table basically.
And I think mercifully Adams and McGuinness won the debate for hearts and minds within the movement. They came to a crossroads, an all out assault or take the political road.

Randy Archer · 12-07-2020 11:36AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Gardai didn't make an arrest in 8 years of crimes and intimidation in the Quinn case. FACT

If I were an investor I'd be asking why has the area been abandoned by the enforcers of the law?

You also make my point for me...'is there no crime elsewhere in the country' by mentioning the Kinahan's. There are also, major crime gangs elsewhere in the country, it isn't just a border phenomenon and never has been.

Try and stay in the realms of fact and reality Randy.

The border ain’t to blame for the blind eye And the public’s Lack of co-operation with the authorities on both sides

Knowing that you are devoid of any knowledge or expertise when it comes to economics and business, you’d be better off wondering why it took 8 years for your people To Allow the police do their job , than waffling about what an investor might or might not do

Why the area has been abandoned by enforcers of law ? You really don’t know the answer to that ? Seriously ? Would ya ever **** off up the garden . Your dishonesty was funny for a few months ...you would be better off not Responding since you are so desperate to save face by having a response

Major crime elsewhere hasn’t stopped FDI coming to place like Limerick or Dublin or Cork. While just as lethal, drug gangs are a different story to the IRA seeking to destroy a Statelet and who have form in indiscriminate bombing of people, and just as important , Property . **** the CEOs of the big tech firms might like to cap off a Friday with a few lines of coke or speed - lol

You are the one waffling about investment in the North would improve under a UI lol. Yet the various branches of the IRA have a long history of intimidating and kidnapping business people

Truthvader · 12-07-2020 11:42AM

Randy Archer wrote: »

Was wasn’t Gerry well aware of his brother being an Incestuous nonce? What did he do ? Transferred him to Dundalk , to work with kids. But hey, Adams eile was only into family members

Gerry's family were utterly corrupted from the get go . His father was a violent family sex abuser but as today because he was in the IRA could do what he pleased. Any wonder Gerry is so comfortable with the murder of other peoples fathers

FrancieBrady · 12-07-2020 11:55AM

Randy Archer wrote: »

The border ain’t to blame for the blind eye And the public’s Lack of co-operation with the authorities on both sides

Knowing that you are devoid of any knowledge or expertise when it comes to economics and business, you’d be better off wondering why it took 8 years for your people To Allow the police do their job , than waffling about what an investor might or might not do

Why the area has been abandoned by enforcers of law ? You really don’t know the answer to that ? Seriously ? Would ya ever **** off up the garden . Your dishonesty was funny for a few months ...you would be better off not Responding since you are so desperate to save face by having a response

Major crime elsewhere hasn’t stopped FDI coming to place like Limerick or Dublin or Cork. While just as lethal, drug gangs are a different story to the IRA seeking to destroy a Statelet and who have form in indiscriminate bombing of people, and just as important , Property . **** the CEOs of the big tech firms might like to cap off a Friday with a few lines of coke or speed - lol

You are the one waffling about investment in the North would improve under a UI lol. Yet the various branches of the IRA have a long history of intimidating and kidnapping business people

Amid the personal invective you are just stereotyping again.

'Allowing the police to do their job'? That simply doesn't stack up. The Gardai and PSNI know who is behind most of the stuff, what are they waiting for from the public?

8 years of escalating attacks and they did nothing until a man got savagely attacked.
They know who killed Paul Quinn, the PSNI know and the IMC know, yet nothing done.

There is a story here but it isn't the stereotypical lazy one you are telling.

Randy Archer · 12-07-2020 11:56AM

Edgware wrote: »

I cant recall the referendum you organised to establish the views of the Southerners but all I can see from you is a complete lack of vision and initiative.

Your qualifications are what precisely ? They ain’t economics , that’s for sure !

Ever occur to you as to why NO ONE Within the general Public campaigns to Labour, FG, FF , Greens, Independent and the socialist councillors and TDs to seriously discuss plans for a UI ? Ff don’t even bother referring to UI in their manifesto literature , maybe the odd glib one liner

You clearly don’t engage with business people either , or anyone in areas of power and responsibility

UI is NOT a priority in the South, and frankly never has been, especially since 1998 , when we all thought that the northern problem was over . Shinners and the Ra pretended they won the “war“, Unionist oddly saw it as a surrender, while every sane person saw it as Status Quo that had been preached since the 1970s . In fact we changed our Constitution to remove any “offending” reference to control of the whole island (Our Courts ALWAYS interpreted that as aspirational only see McGimpsey v Ireland 1990)

You read EVERY social media platform ,radio show etc where the public can air their views about UI. It is almost always “UI would be great some day but .......” . ALWAYS an excuse for it not being tomorrow or 5 years. No different now

SF know full well what would happen, in this current Economic and political climate , north and south , the dangers of running a poll . No sane tax paying person (something most of ye Shinners who spend 12-20 hours a day 7 days a week on social media platforms like this ) know much about, would agree to take in the North right now. They are a basket case economically and politically and security wise

The ONLY time you heard politicians in the South two about UI , but never actuslly saying anything of substance , was when Dev and Haughey played what’s known as the “green card”.mot was used when domestic economic issues were going down the toilet . Never did they talk about it when things were going good for them. Pure chancers

All you and Francie have for arguments are warm fuzzy feelings . Feelings are not fact nor are they reality

Not one of ye have put down on the table sane, credible reasons for UI . They waffled about how it would improve the North, yet when actual facts were put before ye ie Cavan, Donegal Monaghan were and are way behind the rest of the country and how Dublin and our other main cities won’t tolerate big companies going North - not to mention the fact that IRA and co attack business people in their BANDIT COUNTRY , YE CRY ABOUT ABUSE AND BIAS lol

Vision ? I’m not ready to commit financial suicide thanks. It’s for ye Nordies to convince US as to why ye joining us is viable , not the other way around

Shinners idea of vision and lol initiative ie to spout rubbish uncosted election manifesto and have your kind lap it up. Oh so stunning, so brave

Randy Archer · 12-07-2020 12:02PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right, but the second wrong has started.
The drum and the flag and the sash will march today amid the virus, cretons.

Ya but on the bright side, a few of them will be dead in 4 months. It’s not like they mingle with the Nationalists so ,so long as they keep to themselves ...

Oh I do love watching videos and looking at photos of well constructed and illegal bon fires erreacted smack bang in the middle of their ****ty council estates, only for the wind to blow over and the fire catch their roofs.

Fell sorry for the fire brigade But meh

Happy 12th July

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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