FrancieBrady wrote: » This 'abandonment' thing is a myth. The area (I live in it) is policed like all other areas of the state. It's not bandit country or lawless like those under pressure to explain like to claim. The security forces of the state paid no attention to certain criminal activities but had no problem going after other ex IRA people who had turned to crime. The 'price of peace' didn't come into it then. Why that was and why it happened in divisions of the Gardai that have other issues of national significance is still open to speculation.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Oh the old, bandit territory exists alright, the border hopping criminals use it all the time. The Lunney case, the atm robberies the lordship credit union robbery, the fuel laundering etc. Of course normal life goes on around it too and only a tiny few are involved in it, but the border area is pretty much a hotbed of criminal activity.
Truthvader wrote: » Don't know what ex (or current) IRA people the state actually went after. Certainly not Bobby Storey who ended his miserable days cossetted in a cosy bed being cared for by a state whose citizens he devoted his life to murdering, not the killers of Paul Quin, Robert McCartney or Joe Rafferty - and sure the ones we did catch (Garda McCabes killers) had to be let go because Gerry and the lads would only agree to stop killing if they were let off. No idea at all what your final sentence means and indeed it may not be accessible to any meaning at all. Is it meant to be some kind of dark hint that the Guards are "up to something"?
Truthvader wrote: » Truth is the state on both sides of the border had to turn a blind eye to criminal elements on both sides and abadonned working class areas to the local hard men on both sides. Plus had to release Gerry McCabes killers and pretend the Mexicans robbed the Northern Bank. The price of peace. The Kevin Lunney thing was just part of the hidden cost nice professional people rarely have to pay
efanton wrote: » Pensions as stated in my original post should not be a problem at all. The British government has collected pension contributions for decades. They would have basically three choices. 1. They transfer the pension reserves they have previously collected from Northern Ireland to the Irish government, 2. they make a yearly contribution to the Irish government commensurate withe the contributions they have previously collected and according to the number of people who were already retired when a United Ireland came into being, 3. or they simply decide that they will hold on to these funds and continue paying pensions for those that were on a pension before a United Ireland came into being. Currency exchange issues? You do realise in a United Ireland there would be a single currency. I think you are trying to create problems that simply will not be there. The biggest issue that is unknown is how much would the actual transition of services and absorption of the various government departments in Northern Ireland cost. No doubt there will be substantial funding from the EU and UK for this, but I would imagine there still going to be a very hefty cost for the Irish government. Having said that the transition will take years to take effect, so any cost although great would be spread over a long period.
a very cool kid wrote: » In the UK people working now effectively pay the pensions of those who have retired. While pensions are funded through National Insurance there's no built up fund - it's paid out from National Insurance coming in. If the people of NI are not paying into the National Insurance fund, the UK does not have a fund for the retired people in NI.
By currency change I meant the effect of changing from Sterling to Euro in NI. Prices will go up when they switch (same as they did here in 2002). Also bear in mind that NI groceries/consumer goods in a UI - Brexit world will be sourced from the EU so prices there will be the same as down here (NI currently does 10 times more trade with the UK than it does with ROI).
Lastly the EU has changed significantly since 1989. We have 27 countries now and Ireland is among the very richest. It is difficult to see how the like of Romania and Bulgaria (where wages ~800 a month) would allow a heap of funding to subsidise comparatively high salaries in NI. Also given the rise of nationalism in the UK, it's hard to see a Tory government funding reunification - easy to see Ireland being told to "go whistle".
Pkiernan wrote: » Don't worry. MLMD is going to tax the rich!
FrancieBrady wrote: » Some of it carried out with impunity and some of it not. Why is that? 8 years they were intimidating and commiting crime around the Quinn affair...nothing, In comes a higher power in the Gardai, suddenly things start happening. Why was that?
Bishop of hope wrote: » Two wrongs don't make a right, but the second wrong has started. The drum and the flag and the sash will march today amid the virus, cretons.
McMurphy wrote: » On the Sabbath
Mortelaro wrote: » They will be heard today, they will congregate practising loudly
McMurphy wrote: » So long as they're not forcing their way up a nationalist street, aided and abetted by a supposedly impartial police force, or spitting at little kids and their parents trying to get to their school I have zero problem with their marching, or practising for same. Let them at it.
Mortelaro wrote: » Meanwhile, an outside Police chief has been appointed to investigate the Belfast funeral This from yesterday's Irish timeshttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/english-police-chief-to-oversee-storey-funeral-investigation-1.4302526
Meanwhile, the North’s Police Ombudsman is considering a complaint from a member of the public regarding PSNI action leading up to the funeral. The PSNI said in a statement: “Until a conclusion is reached on both matters, the Police Service of Northern Ireland will be making no further comment.”
Bowie wrote: » I see Haughey got a state one, gun running. Michael Collins, terrorism. DeValera fraud, terrorism... Do you think having Flanagan near the flag is a farce? I do. Each to his own. Flag belongs to the country.
McMurphy wrote: » Will anyone be investigating the mourners breaching social distancing guidelines at Garda Horkans funeral btw?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Want to start trading lists around the country of crimes? Borders are the cause of smuggling the world over, yes there is a higher incidence of that type of crime here. Most 'normal' states would beef up security forces to cope with it, here we strip out the security forces from the area. I could take you to several places selling smuggled and laundered fuel, why is it that this goes on and nobody does anything?
Bowie wrote: » I believe they achieved enough to put down guns and turn to politics. So fair play if he helped with that. Likely there were numerous former IRA there. Are you criticising them for not forming an illegal armed guard?
RandomViewer wrote: » Think you are missing part of the puzzle in the Lunny case, main suspect dead, vehicles destroyed in Garda custody, someone with a lot of pull at work here.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » SF did not have a presence here in Gov in those days did they? Not saying it was right, it was despicable. Just making the point.
Randy Archer wrote: » Laughable bull****. Utter nonsense and zero basis for it The British security had infuriated the IRA by 1998 big time !! The ceasefire of 1994 was the worse thing to happen to the military side of the Republican movement . Super grasses like Donaldson , Gilmore and McFarland had done serious damage . Girlfriends and wives of IRA members were running to the RUC in a desperate bid to save their men from death, before taking part in operations. The Ra was riddled with informers at this point , the cops in Belfast were thwarting IRA operations in Belfast big time, noted by historians for stopping 8 out of every 10 planned attacks Ra lads , being years in intense situations and on the run had let themselves lose and with beer and the typical “you know who I am ,hi” (as we know from the Robert McCartney murder years later) was common Oh sure, the IRA knew it had tout problems And they reorganised into smaller cells , but the Brits were getting closer. Attacks like Europa Hotel did nothing good for PR either ! Manchester bombings were a disaster with regard to public support in Ireland and Britain (Manchester being a heavily populated city for the Irish ) What did they achieve ? Absolutely nothing . IRA FAILED No United Ireland . The British always marvelled on how SF were smart enough to spin their failure into a success story (GFA) while Ulster Unionists and DUP were not smart enough to point out that they were successful and some how paint GFA was a failure and a surrender - it wasn’t GFA was status quo. GFA continued on from what Anglo Irish Agreement and Downing Street Declaration aimed for . No one stopped SF from running in elections The success of the British Intelligence from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s FORCED THE IRA INTO ACCEPTING PEACE McGuinness and Adams has been quietly talking to the Brits about peace since the 1980s (not suggesting they got compromised) The Brits has slowly realised that any peace in the future would need to involve IRA members . Besides Shinners were starting to win seats at this time How stupid and dishonest do he Shinners have to be to swallow that muck ye spout . ?
FrancieBrady wrote: » The Gardai didn't make an arrest in 8 years of crimes and intimidation in the Quinn case. FACT If I were an investor I'd be asking why has the area been abandoned by the enforcers of the law? You also make my point for me...'is there no crime elsewhere in the country' by mentioning the Kinahan's. There are also, major crime gangs elsewhere in the country, it isn't just a border phenomenon and never has been. Try and stay in the realms of fact and reality Randy.
Randy Archer wrote: » Was wasn’t Gerry well aware of his brother being an Incestuous nonce? What did he do ? Transferred him to Dundalk , to work with kids. But hey, Adams eile was only into family members
Randy Archer wrote: » The border ain’t to blame for the blind eye And the public’s Lack of co-operation with the authorities on both sides Knowing that you are devoid of any knowledge or expertise when it comes to economics and business, you’d be better off wondering why it took 8 years for your people To Allow the police do their job , than waffling about what an investor might or might not do Why the area has been abandoned by enforcers of law ? You really don’t know the answer to that ? Seriously ? Would ya ever **** off up the garden . Your dishonesty was funny for a few months ...you would be better off not Responding since you are so desperate to save face by having a response Major crime elsewhere hasn’t stopped FDI coming to place like Limerick or Dublin or Cork. While just as lethal, drug gangs are a different story to the IRA seeking to destroy a Statelet and who have form in indiscriminate bombing of people, and just as important , Property . **** the CEOs of the big tech firms might like to cap off a Friday with a few lines of coke or speed - lol You are the one waffling about investment in the North would improve under a UI lol. Yet the various branches of the IRA have a long history of intimidating and kidnapping business people
Edgware wrote: » I cant recall the referendum you organised to establish the views of the Southerners but all I can see from you is a complete lack of vision and initiative.
