Jack Charlton has died

factualhealing · 12-07-2020 12:36AM

No abuse of that nature

Woke Hogan · 12-07-2020 12:37AM

Mysterypunter wrote: »

It didn't take long for Roy Keane to walk his dog while the rest of the squad were in a penalty shootout against Spain, that man is a cartoon character and an idiot, wildly overrated bag of wind, he does some whinging for a so called hard man. This is about Jack Charlton, and his way of dealing with the players was man management, Big Paul McGrath was a genius who liked his soup, so Jack turned a blind eye, the squad were close knit and performed to the best of their ability, so I would have no issue with his management style, but I would have huge issues with the FAI suits, that's the one thing I agreed with Roy Keane on.

I have nothing but respect for Charlton (RIP) helping McGrath through that horrible illness.

But it is fair to say Charlton took his foot off the pedal a bit regarding discipline with the squad in general. The squad and the FAI kept that party atmosphere going until the 00s which eventually lead to the Saipan incident.

Mysterypunter · 12-07-2020 12:40AM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I have nothing but respect for Charlton (RIP) helping McGrath through that horrible illness.

But it is fair to say Charlton took his foot off the pedal a bit regarding discipline with the squad in general. The squad and the FAI kept that party atmosphere going until the 00s which eventually lead to the Saipan incident.

I agree with a lot of that, but the expectation wasn't there at the time, so it was treated a bit like an extended session

BorneTobyWilde · 12-07-2020 12:40AM

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Mysterypunter · 12-07-2020 12:41AM

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Woke Hogan · 12-07-2020 12:46AM

Mysterypunter wrote: »

I agree with a lot of that, but the expectation wasn't there at the time, so it was treated a bit like an extended session

I suppose it was but I personally suspect that was mainly because so many of the squad weren’t “Irish” born and raised.

Again, no disrespect to Jack (RIP). Having spent some of my formative years in Sunderland myself I appreciate a straight talking northerner.

EmmetSpiceland · 12-07-2020 12:48AM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I have nothing but respect for Charlton (RIP) helping McGrath through that horrible illness.

But it is fair to say Charlton took his foot off the pedal a bit regarding discipline with the squad in general. The squad and the FAI kept that party atmosphere going until the 00s which eventually lead to the Saipan incident.

Gotta disagree with you there, W. The lax attitude towards the players, and the team, from the FAI is what led to the Saipan “incident”.

The blazers and the alackadoos of the FAI paid themselves handsomely and looked after their own “interests” and failed to provide adequate facilities for the players and coaching staff.

BorneTobyWilde · 12-07-2020 12:49AM

I was thinking just lately, as in last year, that it would have been good to have a Late Late Show special dedicated to Jack, while he was around.
These things only happen when he's gone though. Makes no sense. He deserved to be reminded in life of how much he meant to so many.

fergus1001 · 12-07-2020 12:51AM

2020 has gone to far this time ....

Mysterypunter · 12-07-2020 12:59AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I was thinking just lately, as in last year, that it would have been good to have a Late Late Show special dedicated to Jack, while he was around.
These things only happen when he's gone though. Makes no sense. He deserved to be reminded in life of how much he meant to so many.

I think he knew, he was a modest man who liked the outdoor life, all that fawning over him wouldn't have suited, fair play to his wife, married for donkeys years and still minded him to the end when big Jack was in poor health.

omerin · 12-07-2020 01:24AM

It was a privilage to have lived through those years, rest in peace Jack, they dont make em like they used to

cj maxx · 12-07-2020 01:24AM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

RIP to Charlton.

But, to be fair to him, he and some English/Dublin-born members of his squad didn't always have the respect for playing for Ireland. Respect I suspect they would have had had they played for "them across the water," as some of them would undoubtedly have preferred.

Pie eating contests, Guinness taps in the hotel at USA 94, turning up to matches drunk or hungover. The rot of mediocrity had set in and it didn't take until 2002 for the Corkonian Roy Keane to speak up and set the wheels of progress in motion.

Ah that's a load of ****e. Wtf did Keane do only fcuk up a good squad at a tournament. He's been shown up since

Lucy8080 · 12-07-2020 02:00AM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

RIP to Charlton.

But, to be fair to him, he and some English/Dublin-born members of his squad didn't always have the respect for playing for Ireland. Respect I suspect they would have had had they played for "them across the water," as some of them would undoubtedly have preferred.

Pie eating contests, Guinness taps in the hotel at USA 94, turning up to matches drunk or hungover. The rot of mediocrity had set in and it didn't take until 2002 for the Corkonian Roy Keane to speak up and set the wheels of progress in motion.

Have you ever read Roy Keane's take on the '94 world cup?

He basically says that Jack had the balance right. You work hard, and a day off was a day off , just don't over do the day off,or you get pulled.

Keane ,Babb, Mcateer and Gary kelly etc. were kids.

Keane is Quoted as saying the older heads lead the way and kept the discipline.

Jack was wise enough to know how to manage different characters. Paul Mcgrath loves him. Ireland loves Paul McGrath.

Think Ferguson with the likes of Cantona , and even Keane himself.

Leeds won the league with Cantona, Wilkinson allowed Man. U. to steal him and win their first title of many.

Give me a Charlton or a Ferguson who have space for difficult but enigmatic players.Someone who understands the human side but cannot be pushed too far.

Roy was a great player -but he has issues. It is his own fault he did not play in that "2002" world cup.

Second edit/p.s. here:

What progress has been made in the post Keane era as regards the National team results/performance? I'm at a loss!

ILoveYourVibes · 12-07-2020 02:51AM

He changed what it meant to be Irish....in so many ways ..he made us believe in ourselves.

RIP.

Tell me how · 12-07-2020 03:01AM

Cal4567 wrote: »

One of the good guys. Loved his fishing. Bumped into him once in Ballina when I was there for a few days, back about 20 years ago. Didn't even know then he had a holiday home close by. RIP Big Jack.

Thought this was a nice way of putting how he was seen in Ireland.

https://twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1281947198494842880

coinop · 12-07-2020 03:11AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

For all the younger folk wondering why your fathers are feeling a bit down today

Imagine the complete opposite of a Covid lockdown and watch this

One small area of Dublin but scenes like this happened in villages towns and cities all over the country

Thanks for that. The video warmed my heart. Sadly we will never see the likes of it again. There is no community spirit in modern Ireland anymore. We don't know our neighbours. And if we did, they would be cheering for Poland or Nigeria in the football. I feel bad for any youngsters reading who missed out on that time.

Justin Credible Darts · 12-07-2020 03:19AM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Come on

Judging from the post above you are, clearly, “wound up”.

Look, maybe you’ve just had a few too many and are taking your grief at Big Jack’s passing out on Dunphy? It’s not a good “look”, to be honest.

When you look at the players we had back then it does not “marry” well with the style of football we played. Some of those games are just dreadful to watch.

You could argue that with a different manager getting that team to play “beautiful” football that they’d have gone out in the group stages or, even, failed to qualify but that’s just hypothetical. They got further than anyone else by playing a style of football that bypassed a midfield combination who’s like we will, probably, never see again.

I, personally, feel that you should apologise for your use of the term “retarded”. It’s an ugly word and has no place on this site. I will accept the editing out of that part of your post in lieu of, said, apology.

You claiming nonsense does not it so.

As for your pathetic "had a few", another figment of your imagination.

Jack dying and Dunphy being a nobody that did nothing of note in the game are separate issues, so not sure why you foolishly think they are the same thing.

While you are telling people who should apologise, perhaps you might reflect upon your own stupid accusations.

It is my opinion Ireland over achieved, and Jack got the best out of them, not if you choose to think otherwise, that is fine, that is your opinion, but it does not make it fact, and bandying about accusations wont make your opinion more factual.

Justin Credible Darts · 12-07-2020 03:22AM

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Have you ever read Roy Keane's take on the '94 world cup?

He basically says that Jack had the balance right.

Regardless of what people think of Keane, Giles etc, you can respect their opinion somewhat as they played the game at the highest level.

However when you look at people like dunphy a nobody in comparison, who tried to make his name by mouthing off and slating Jack, any wonder so many disliked dunphy.

Tell me how · 12-07-2020 03:34AM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Regardless of what people think of Keane, Giles etc, you can respect their opinion somewhat as they played the game at the highest level.

However when you look at people like dunphy a nobody in comparison, who tried to make his name by mouthing off and slating Jack, any wonder so many disliked dunphy.

Using your logic, you shouldn't be expressing an opinion on Dunphy so, which is it, he is entitled to his opinion, or you should stop slating him for having one?

kona · 12-07-2020 04:27AM

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

People tend to confuse a cultural zeitgeist moment for a nation with the hard facts of Charlton's time as manager. The passing of time and over sentimentality has no doubt played a part in this.

Obviously under Jack there were some great moments; beating England and the most memorable of all, beating Italy in the Giants Stadium are, in and of themselves, outstanding sporting achievements.

However the football deployed under Charlton was dire. Like really dire. Which is a shame because we actually had some very talented players, who under a better manager could have literally achieved anything.

People point out Hand and Giles; neither were exceptional by any standard as managers and were seen as relatively safe bets by the FAI at the time, as was Jack. The man achieved his initial remit; get Ireland to a major tournament and he did just that and even repeated it on another two occasions, which is a fair achievement, but lets not fool ourselves here that the man is/was the savior of Irish football when the talent was already there but essentially wasted by the conservatism and usual shortsightedness of the FAI.

But sure look, Ole Ole away.

Just incase nobody has said it.

This is aload of ****in bollox.

Justin Credible Darts · 12-07-2020 07:11AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Using your logic, you shouldn't be expressing an opinion on Dunphy so, which is it, he is entitled to his opinion, or you should stop slating him for having one?

Looks like I have to break it down so you can understand it.

Everyone can give their opinion, including you, however as a viewer , dunphy is/was on tv to give his opinion.

That does not mean I have to respect it, I will take more notice of people that actually achieved things in the game, than some old soak only moaning so he could appear relevant.

EmmetSpiceland · 12-07-2020 08:38AM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

You claiming nonsense does not it so.

As for your pathetic "had a few", another figment of your imagination.

Jack dying and Dunphy being a nobody that did nothing of note in the game are separate issues, so not sure why you foolishly think they are the same thing.

While you are telling people who should apologise, perhaps you might reflect upon your own stupid accusations.

It is my opinion Ireland over achieved, and Jack got the best out of them, not if you choose to think otherwise, that is fine, that is your opinion, but it does not make it fact, and bandying about accusations wont make your opinion more factual.

I’m not the one throwing about disgusting terms like “retarded”, personal insults or using the death of this great man to attack a soccer pundit.

You need to take a long, hard, look at yourself, pal. I’d, also, suggest you make a “donation” to St. Michael’s House, or Down Syndrome Ireland, as a way of atoning for your, vile, language.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 12-07-2020 08:40AM

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Liam Brady story about Jack.....

Jack Charlton's first words to me were, "You're number eight,Ian." I said, "Ian Brady was the Moors Murderer ,Jack."

R.I.P. Big Jack.

This is even better when your mind reads it in Liam Bradys voice.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 12-07-2020 11:41AM

Tbh I hate soccer, can't stand the game.

But I was totally swept up by the whole Italia '90 experience and was a fully fledged member of Jacks Army. Myself and my wife went up to greet the team back, we were on the newly built M50/airport round about along with 60,000 other supporters who lined the streets of Dublin.

My son is soccer mad, and absolutely Liverpool crazy. He was born in 92 but he loves listening to stories of Italia 90 and the atmosphere in Ireland at the time.

We never chat about soccer, but I got a text from him re. Jack dying, and like everyone else I went to Youtube to relive some old and very fond memories.

Italia 90 was the last time I watched a game too and right now I couldn't name our manager or a single player, but Jack and that summer were something magical and will live on forever.

12-07-2020 11:46AM

RIP Jack.

I have no interest in football but I do have some memories of that time. I was about 8 sitting on my swing in the garden singing "We're all part of Jackie's Army".

Those words, we are all part of. That feeling of belonging to something huge would have been amazing and no doubt was part of the magic of 1990.

FixdePitchmark · 12-07-2020 11:52AM

Kane Thankful Beer wrote: »

Tbh I hate soccer, can't stand the game.

But I was totally swept up by the whole Italia '90 experience and was a fully fledged member of Jacks Army. Myself and my wife went up to greet the team back, we were on the newly built M50/airport round about along with 60,000 other supporters who lined the streets of Dublin.

My son is soccer mad, and absolutely Liverpool crazy. He was born in 92 but he loves listening to stories of Italia 90 and the atmosphere in Ireland at the time.

We never chat about soccer, I knows I think its a pansies game for fairies and primadonna'sa but I got a text from him re. Jack dying, and like everyone else I went to Youtube to relive some old and very fond memories.

Italia 90 was the last time I watched a game too and right now I couldn't name our manager or a single player, but Jack and that summer were something magical and will live on forever.

So you would not even make an effort for your Son. His team just won the league - but he opens up to you , about something he know you can relate to.

He also knows you hate what he loves.

Dad of the year.

branie2 · 12-07-2020 12:01PM

He was a great man!

RIP, Jack

JupiterKid · 12-07-2020 12:11PM

Jack Charlton was the right manager for the Irish football team at the right time. A modest but very clever and direct man, he had a pretty good understanding of the players he had available and how to get the most out of them.

I will never forget watching Italia '90 as a 15 year old kid with my mates. It was incredible for us to get that far and the atmosphere when the team came back to Ireland was electric. And USA '94 was the sequel to that excitement.

In hindsight, Italia '90 was a huge ray of hope in an Ireland where hope was a scarce commodity. It also heralded the good times of the 90s when Ireland transformed in every way for the better.

Rest in Peace Jack - you may be gone but you'll never be forgotten.

FixdePitchmark · 12-07-2020 12:21PM

Our Jack's Dream

The dream started , by the sub Mackay
A horrible wet dark Sofia Sky
It started off an Irish dream
The Boys we called - Jack's Team

12th of June 88
A never forgotten Irish Date
Ray's goal against England
At last a victory - for our Homeland

"you'll never beat the Irish" at Old Landsdowne
Your first steps off the Dart - what a sound
With your father hugging you for the first time
I can still feel it now - it never leaves your mind

We simply were unbeatable , confident and strong
But a bit simplistic, we needed a song
Along came Liam Harisson, Larry and Moore
Songs to be proud of - as good as the Cure

Then Italia 1990 - we traveled afar
A country of real love, life - but not a real bar
What a time , if you were at home
You probably heard about it, on the phone

We will never forget that Genoa shoot out
We knew Packie would save one - never a doubt
The tears flowed from a repressed place
Then off to Rome - back to that space

But the genie was out - Ireland was free
It is ok to dream - be what you can see
Stunning Paul McGrath - beautiful girlfriends and wives
Think big , be ambitious - live a great life

Jack was loving, funny, casual and fun
In touch with real people - great one on one
English to the core - but a northern heart inside
He loved the Irish - he showed us real pride

So farewell Jack - but you are not gone
You are in us all , our Father , brother, son
Today , we are celebrating looking at the sky
We will never forget you till the day we die

Thanks

12-07-2020 12:51PM

Anyone who just calls football players pansies or fairies hasn’t a clue. It’s a lazy stereotype and just steeped in ignorance... especially if you state that you haven’t watched a game since 1990. Btw they hit the deck because it gets them free kicks, not because they’re soft.

Jack Charlton has died

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