Jack Charlton has died

Heckler · 11-07-2020 01:55PM

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

People tend to confuse a cultural zeitgeist moment for a nation with the hard facts of Charlton's time as manager. The passing of time and over sentimentality has no doubt played a part in this.

Obviously under Jack there were some great moments; beating England and the most memorable of all, beating Italy in the Giants Stadium are, in and of themselves, outstanding sporting achievements.

However the football deployed under Charlton was dire. Like really dire. Which is a shame because we actually had some very talented players, who under a better manager could have literally achieved anything.

People point out Hand and Giles; neither were exceptional by any standard as managers and were seen as relatively safe bets by the FAI at the time, as was Jack. The man achieved his initial remit; get Ireland to a major tournament and he did just that and even repeated it on another two occasions, which is a fair achievement, but lets not fool ourselves here that the man is/was the savior of Irish football when the talent was already there but essentially wasted by the conservatism and usual shortsightedness of the FAI.

True but **** it. Not a footie fan but he engendered a collective sense of fun and hopefulness and just a happy time for the nation. Leave the dissection till later.

iguana · 11-07-2020 01:58PM

Can you buy Put 'Em Under Pressure in itunes? If you do, does it count for the charts? I was thinking that as we're still quite limited in how we can pay our respects, getting it to number one could be something we could do.

DrGreenThumb82 · 11-07-2020 01:59PM

Absolute legend. We were in school one day and the headmaster announced that there were buses outside and we were going on a surprise trip somewhere...turns out it was a short trip down the road to a pub...to meet Jack Charlton. This was right after Italia 90. Place went mental. It was Big Jack just swarmed by ankle biters. He didn't know what to do! Met everyone and handed us all a signed photo. Kids were wrapped around his legs so he couldn't run off &#55358;&#56611;. Jesus the excitement was off the charts.

I was 8 then. Woke up to the news this morning and was so saddened by it.

You had to experience Italia 90 to understand. Pure magical time in Ireland.

Fellas were getting stranded in Italy with no money and trying to get people to send over money so they could stay on for the next game. It was unbelievable stuff.

PTH2009 · 11-07-2020 02:07PM

legend of a man

Changed football culture in this country

ChelseaRentBoy · 11-07-2020 02:13PM

PGE1970 wrote: »

In 1990, Ireland was a depressing place to be. There were no jobs and we were, essentially, a third world country.

But the summer of 1990 was the most exciting time of my life. I was 20, on the dole, skint and there was f ** k all to look forward to.

And then we had the most magical 4 weeks ever. Where people cried, laughed and hugged. Where we stood up and were proud to be Irish.

The nation held its breath and we put 'em under pressure.

You had to be there.

RIP Jack. Thank you for giving the country hope.

As someone said earlier you had to live through it to know what it meant to the citizens of this nation. It genuinely was a turning point for the country and personally I don't give a hoot about the begruders who say we played crap football and could have done better.

People who understand, understand and those that don't never will.

11-07-2020 02:35PM

Spare a thought for any of us born in the late 1980s or later. We grew up with Mick McCarthy and Saipan was our Stadio Olimpico, the whole 2002 tournament was marred even before it began, despite some good performances.

I think the 1990 World Cup had as much to do with Ireland's growing sense of confidence after a decade of recession and emigration, and people saw something in Jack Charlton that embodied that confidence, maybe.

Snow Garden · 11-07-2020 02:44PM

RIP Jack.

You gave us memories we will never forget.

ThewhiteJesus · 11-07-2020 02:50PM

I doubt bobby will go to the funeral

Doublebusy · 11-07-2020 02:53PM

A legend

anewme · 11-07-2020 02:54PM

iguana wrote: »

Can you buy Put 'Em Under Pressure in itunes? If you do, does it count for the charts? I was thinking that as we're still quite limited in how we can pay our respects, getting it to number one could be something we could do.

Saw a campaign about getting the flags and bunting out on the day of the funeral as well.

Snow Garden · 11-07-2020 02:54PM

I remember the games being so tense in the pub that you'd celebrate winning a corner like you'd scored a screamer of a goal.

selwyn froggitt · 11-07-2020 02:57PM

https://twitter.com/JohnMoynes/status/1281870119086559233

JupiterKid · 11-07-2020 02:59PM

A legend of a man who transformed our football team and gave us hope when there was very little hope to be had. I remember Italia '90 so well.

RIP Jack. You left a big legacy and will not be forgotten.

An Ri rua · 11-07-2020 03:06PM

silverharp wrote: »

I was just showing my son the highlights from world cup 1990 during the week , what a summer

RIP Jack. Great days. All the more heightened by the stagnation of those times versus now.
I was 17, just finished the Leaving and I recall the excitement of Italy, Pavarotti belting it out, Terminator 2 in the cinema and ...the Beat on the Street !

Great day's, as was summer 94 even if it went pear shaped.

Arghus · 11-07-2020 03:06PM

RIP Big Man.

An Ri rua · 11-07-2020 03:12PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Did more for this country than any political leader ever has.

R. I. P. Jack.

Almost true. Except for Sean Lemass. Steady on now.

An Ri rua · 11-07-2020 03:19PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Spare a thought for any of us born in the late 1980s or later. We grew up with Mick McCarthy and Saipan was our Stadio Olimpico, the whole 2002 tournament was marred even before it began, despite some good performances.

I think the 1990 World Cup had as much to do with Ireland's growing sense of confidence after a decade of recession and emigration, and people saw something in Jack Charlton that embodied that confidence, maybe.

Does your parent know you're using their phone?

Rubberlegs · 11-07-2020 03:21PM

An Ri rua wrote: »

RIP Jack. Great days. All the more heightened by the stagnation of those times versus now.
I was 17, just finished the Leaving and I recall the excitement of Italy, Pavarotti belting it out, Terminator 2 in the cinema and ...the Beat on the Street !
Great day's, as was summer 94 even if it went pear shaped.

Me too to all of the above

I've never been a football fan but even if you weren't you were drawn into the excitement of it all, a great time to be 17. RIP Jack Charlton.

Beechwoodspark · 11-07-2020 03:31PM

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

I doubt bobby will go to the funeral

Why? He’s his brother

is_that_so · 11-07-2020 03:34PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why? He’s his brother

There was a long-running feud. Seems they were seen in public together in 2018.

ThewhiteJesus · 11-07-2020 03:36PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why? He’s his brother

Ask bobbys wife

Strumms · 11-07-2020 04:08PM

Bobby’s wife and Jack and Bobby’s mother didn’t see eye to eye which caused some tension I have read.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 11-07-2020 04:23PM

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

People tend to confuse a cultural zeitgeist moment for a nation with the hard facts of Charlton's time as manager. The passing of time and over sentimentality has no doubt played a part in this.

Obviously under Jack there were some great moments; beating England and the most memorable of all, beating Italy in the Giants Stadium are, in and of themselves, outstanding sporting achievements.

However the football deployed under Charlton was dire. Like really dire. Which is a shame because we actually had some very talented players, who under a better manager could have literally achieved anything.

People point out Hand and Giles; neither were exceptional by any standard as managers and were seen as relatively safe bets by the FAI at the time, as was Jack. The man achieved his initial remit; get Ireland to a major tournament and he did just that and even repeated it on another two occasions, which is a fair achievement, but lets not fool ourselves here that the man is/was the savior of Irish football when the talent was already there but essentially wasted by the conservatism and usual shortsightedness of the FAI.

But sure look, Ole Ole away.

That has to be one of the most cynical summations of the Charlton era I've ever read...

It's all well and good saying we had great players AFTER Charlton comes in and gets us to several major tournaments. I wonder would you have been sitting their saying how great and talented our players were, when we were perpetually failing to qualify for every tournament!? (Like I said, you are practicing some very grand and elaborate revisionism!)

The football wasn't dire either btw. It was functional, but we actually had plenty of exciting moments in those years.

And despite being very functional style tactics, I really don't think Charlton got enough credit for the intelligence behind our strategy. There was a fair amount of thought behind the way we played, and how to stop other teams from playing their own game too!

Trapattoni even attempted to replicate the Charlton tactics towards the end of his tenure with Ireland, but actually didn't seem to fully understand how to implement that style... something I've always found quite amusing tbh, considering Trapattoni is widely considered to be one of the sharpest tactical minds in the history of European football.

Tellyium · 11-07-2020 04:37PM

Rest in Peace Jack. I’m old enough to remember the absolute euphoria the entire country experienced in 88,90 and even 94. Seeing clips now still brings a huge smile.
The kids love when I sing the chorus of Give it a lash Jack. Must explain to them who Jack was and how he brought such happiness to an entire nation.

Lucy8080 · 11-07-2020 05:15PM

Liam Brady story about Jack.....

Jack Charlton's first words to me were, "You're number eight,Ian." I said, "Ian Brady was the Moors Murderer ,Jack."

R.I.P. Big Jack.

FixdePitchmark · 11-07-2020 05:16PM

RIP jack - it is often forgotten looking at that footage - he was an outstanding player too.

I shed a few tears today - it is not just about Jack, it is about you and your life, your family , your dreams , your father, your friends, your happiness , your ambition, your Roddy Doyle admiration, your brother's wedding and the match, your first Irish Shirt , your first Idol, your first kiss, your first match, your first trip away , your first drink , your first big failure, your lost friends, your lost love ones.

I know that these are mostly masculine conditions. Joe O'Connor wrote well about it - "The Irish Male".

People go - it is only poxy football who cares. But there was something deep inside me that I can not explain during them moments . A level of pride that has simply been impossible to find at times.

Incredible stuff on the radio today , this will grow as week goes. We kinda need a funeral for this one.

I didn't know much about him as a person - he kinda came across as a cantankerous moody dude.

But - the stuff people were saying , was a very different picture. His human side.

But - it is not just about Jack, there is a little bit of that time in anyone who was around. That has just come back in such a powerfull way today.

Thanks Jack.

dublinman1990 · 11-07-2020 05:21PM

I'm heartbroken after reading that Jack Charlton has died.

I was only a little baby when Italia 90 was with us and I was 4 years old when USA 94 was around which lead me to not remembering much of it. But seeing all of the past memories from Euro 88, Italia 90 & USA 94 leads me with the belief that a man like Jack Charlton had lead our country to a wonderful legacy that couldn't be matched at the time for all of us to enjoy & to savour. It was simply a wonderful time to be an Irish football fan in that period. He had a real sense of deserved authority in how to act like an honorary Irishman right in front of us. To be with Jack Charlton would give you the same feeling as being cloud 9.

As I have never met the man himself. The news of his death today did leave me with some tears. I will miss him greatly. RIP Jack. You were a great legend.

EmmetSpiceland · 11-07-2020 05:37PM

As both an Ireland and Leeds fan this is terribly sad news. It’s been a “surreal” day. Went a bit numb when I heard the news.

Really took the shine off the day when the old boy was going to be showing off his brand new Lexus.

RIP Big Jack.

ShatterAlan · 11-07-2020 05:43PM

pipelaser wrote: »

BBC says that hes dies at 85, meaning that he was 55 at Italia 90! Surely this is wrong?
RIP

He was born in 1935.

Was 31 when he won the World Cup in 1966

Was 55 in 1990 when he almost won the World Cup again with Ireland

JP Liz V1 · 11-07-2020 05:45PM

RIP

Jack Charlton has died

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