Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 01:21AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

All age groups have put their lives on hold, it's not just the young!

Social interaction to me is prehaps the most important for development as a person but here is another aspect.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-29/COVID-19-leads-to-dramatic-unemployment-young-people-suffer-the-most-QSUcPNPJ0Q/index.html

Wolf359f · 11-07-2020 01:23AM

fritzelly wrote: »

The government not having a fecking clue what they are doing

Throughout this with FG I thought they always had control of what was happening, what was gonna be done and how things would proceed etc

With MM - delayed travel advice, threats of pushing out phase 4, all the crap going on in their own party etc - they've only been in power 2 weeks - we're fecked (plus MM bores the arse off me when I hear him talk). They talk the talk and ...well thats all really

I'll agree with you on FG having a clear... or clearer message. They were certainly more focal about the path forward and seemed to engage more with the public. (I never voted FG before, now I would seriously consider it)
FF bickering for the first week about minsters and junior ministers, I would normally put down to a new government, but they knew weeks ago. This isn't a week after election results, they should have had a game plan and hit the ground running.

FG done the hard work, locked down, put in place supports (PUP), came up with the reopening stages, built up a testing system (granted a lot of those accomplishments came from the public sector). FF seem to be just swiveling on a chair. I dunno, the path forward seems less clear if I'm honest.

SeaBreezes · 11-07-2020 01:24AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have two sons in their 20's , people trying to get this age group to put their lives on hold need to cop on. They followed the restrictions in the early months but the shambles being overseen by the government has p*ssed them off and honestly I don't blame them.

Im actually surprised how casual you are about this, when one of your sons is kidney compromised with a virus that attacks kidneys at large.

Your son would be one of those people with 'underlying conditions' should anything happen if he caught SARSCov2.

I admire both your and his bravery to be honest, if it were my son and he was kidney compromised, I'd be hoarse shouting for the most conservative lockdown for fear he'd get infected.

Wolf359f · 11-07-2020 01:29AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Social interaction to me is prehaps the most important for development as a person but here is another aspect.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-29/COVID-19-leads-to-dramatic-unemployment-young-people-suffer-the-most-QSUcPNPJ0Q/index.html

So old people dying, those at risk dying, those with underlying conditions dying, hospitals swamped so those young people can socializing
God forbid if any have serious accident cannot be treated due to hospitals been over run and are left to die at home.
But hey yeah, we only ask them to respect social distancing, it's not like they are in solitary confinement. They can still meet up and have a few cans out the back around a BBQ etc.... is that too much to sacrifice?

podgeandrodge · 11-07-2020 01:29AM

timsey tiger wrote: »

There is risk in everything.

What is naive is to believe that the low and minimum wage staff will be enforcing social distancing on anyone minded to breach it in a pub situation.

So now you're not granting lower paid workers with any sense of cop on or ability to do their jobs in a responsible fashion is that it?

Wolf359f · 11-07-2020 01:35AM

timsey tiger wrote: »

There is risk in everything.

What is naive is to believe that the low and minimum wage staff will be enforcing social distancing on anyone minded to breach it in a pub situation.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So now you're not granting lower paid workers with any sense of cop on or ability to do their jobs in a responsible fashion is that it?

I think the shops and supermarkets have clearly shown how responsible lower paid (nice to be able to say lower and not low) workers have been serving us at the height of the pandemic. To have to be working on the tills and stacking shelves on such a low wage while so many sat at home with their feet up getting €350 a week risk free.... I'm sorry but that's so offensive.

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 01:36AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Im actually surprised how casual you are about this, when one of your sons is kidney compromised with a virus that attacks kidneys at large.

Your son would be one of those people with 'underlying conditions' should anything happen if he caught SARSCov2.

I admire both your and his bravery to be honest, if it were my son and he was kidney compromised, I'd be hoarse shouting for the most conservative lockdown for fear he'd get infected.

Casual? Not at all but I'm proud that I have instilled in my son's the knowledge that life is for living. We mitigate risk where we can but dwelling in fear is to be shunned.
My son is not kidney compromised, his partner was on dialysis and my son gave a gift that money cannot buy.
He watched his partner not being able to live life to its fullest and decided to allow her do so. He and we have observed all the precautions suggested by the medical professionals .
I have no time for recklessness but equally I have no time for life destroying caution.
Lastly I will take some of your comment in the spirit I believe it was made and say thank you. Finally if you have not done so please consider organ donation as either a living donor or to help someone as you pass on.
I'm registered as a living donor with the IKA and a bone marrow donor.
Thank you again for your good wishes.

SeaBreezes · 11-07-2020 01:40AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Casual? Not at all but I'm proud that I have instilled in my son's the knowledge that life is for living. We mitigate risk where we can but dwelling in fear is to be shunned.
My son is not kidney compromised, his partner was on dialysis and my son gave a gift that money cannot buy.
He watched his partner not being able to live life to its fullest and decided to allow her do so. He and we have observed all the precautions suggested by the medical professionals .
I have no time for recklessness but equally I have no time for life destroying caution.
Lastly I will take some of your comment in the spirit I believe it was made and say thank you. Finally if you have not done so please consider organ donation as either a living donor or to help someone as you pass on.
I'm registered as a living donor with the IKA and a bone marrow donor.
Thank you again for your good wishes.

Already a donor when i pass on and well done with the positivity. Im not at all sure i would be as brave but i do love the courage and spirit. You must be very proud. Such a great gift to give to someone you love.

stephenjmcd · 11-07-2020 01:47AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have two sons in their 20's , people trying to get this age group to put their lives on hold need to cop on. They followed the restrictions in the early months but the shambles being overseen by the government has p*ssed them off and honestly I don't blame them.

Look I'm in my 20s so is my brother. We went out for a few pints tonight, it was like any other Friday night.

I'm in my later 20s and single, am i supposed to put both social and personal/love life on hold indefinitely. Not a chance, nor will I.

I followed every other restriction, up to last week I'd not seen my grandparents in their 90s for 4 months. Previously this would have been every week.

They told me last week to come over to the house and visit. Why ? Because they've no idea how long they've got left and in the words of my 93 year old grandfather "I've not lived this long to go out with a whimper". The man goes to the shops daily for his paper, he went to the pub for a Guinness last week. That really said alot to me he doesn't want to waste away any time and he said to me live life without fear, take your precautions but you'll never get these years back. He's right too.

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 01:47AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Already a donor when i pass in and well done with the positivity. Im not at all sure i would be as brave but i do love the courage and spirit. You must be very proud. Such a great gift to give to somone.

No pride to be honest, I'm in awe of him. I brought him home from the hospital. I saw his pain as he was wheeled to the car, my heart broke. It was even more awe inspiring when I found out he knew before the OP the pain he would suffer but still had no hesitation.
I have offered myself as a donor, do I have my son's bravery? I hope so if ever called upon.
Thank you again it's nice to have a non combative too and fro.
I hope you and yours and navigating the new normal with ease.
Sometimes I need to be reminded we all have a different risk threshold and it's incredibly unfair to make an assumption.
If I have caused you offence please accept my apology.

podgeandrodge · 11-07-2020 01:48AM

Went to the pub tonight. As usual it was well managed, had a small bite to eat as did everyone else, and a couple of pints. All well.

I do have to say though, that there was one guy in the corner with 3 mates, and he let out this massive sneeze into his hands. That didn't particularly bother me - nobody can be held responsible for an instinctive reaction. But then, a few seconds later, came the next sneeze - loud and half-heartedly into his hands. Myself and my mate watched wondering to be honest how his friends didn't say WTF man, either go out and blow your nose or at least follow public health advice and sneeze into your elbow. Few seconds later, again, and then again. All powerful sneezes with a half-arsed attempt to cover his nose with his hands.

I'm don't understand how, in the current situation, people would not take basic precautions for themselves and fellow customers. If that guy had covid (and he most likely at this time didn't given low transmission rates), his ignorance would have placed everyone nearby at risk. We need to open things and life needs to get started again so how are people like this not aware of it?

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 01:51AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Went to the pub tonight. As usual it was well managed, had a small bite to eat as did everyone else, and a couple of pints. All well.

I do have to say though, that there was one guy in the corner with 3 mates, and he let out this massive sneeze into his hands. That didn't particularly bother me - nobody can be held responsible for an instinctive reaction. But then, a few seconds later, came the next sneeze - loud and half-heartedly into his hands. Myself and my mate watched wondering to be honest how his friends didn't say WTF man, either go out and blow your nose or at least follow public health advice and sneeze into your elbow. Few seconds later, again, and then again. All powerful sneezes with a half-arsed attempt to cover his nose with his hands.

I'm don't understand how, in the current situation, people would not take basic precautions for themselves and fellow customers. If that guy had covid (and he most likely at this time didn't given low transmission rates), his ignorance would have placed everyone nearby at risk. We need to open things and life needs to get started again so how are people like this not aware of it?

The simplest response I can give is @sshole behaviour needs to be called out. I'm very much in the camp we need to co exist with the virus grouping, eradication is a nonsense but we also need to mitigate risk as much as we can.

fritzelly · 11-07-2020 01:56AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They told me last week to come over to the house and visit. Why ? Because they've no idea how long they've got left and in the words of my 93 year old grandfather "I've not lived this long to go out with a whimper". The man goes to the shops daily for his paper, he went to the pub for a Guinness last week. That really said alot to me he doesn't want to waste away any time and he said to me live life without fear, take your precautions but you'll never get these years back. He's right too.

And your grandparents are damn right - we stopped it taking hold of the country.
If we continue doing what we are doing then we will never be as bad as the likes of Italy. We did our thing - too many people have now made the sacrifice that never got to say goodbye

We cannot just put life on hold for ever and ever because...you know...there was like 20 cases today and it's rampant everywhere

We have it under control (gotta stop damn Americans coming in from that virus infested country) - and we will continue to keep it under control
Irish people are not stupid, bar the odd "minority", in general and know what to do

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 01:56AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Look I'm in my 20s so is my brother. We went out for a few pints tonight, it was like any other Friday night.

I'm in my later 20s and single, am i supposed to put both social and personal/love life on hold indefinitely. Not a chance, nor will I.

I followed every other restriction, up to last week I'd not seen my grandparents in their 90s for 4 months. Previously this would have been every week.

They told me last week to come over to the house and visit. Why ? Because they've no idea how long they've got left and in the words of my 93 year old grandfather "I've not lived this long to go out with a whimper". The man goes to the shops daily for his paper, he went to the pub for a Guinness last week. That really said alot to me he doesn't want to waste away any time and he said to me live life without fear, take your precautions but you'll never get these years back. He's right too.

You hit 93, every day is a bonus and to be enjoyed. I'm on your grandfather's wavelength but half his age.

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 01:59AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So old people dying, those at risk dying, those with underlying conditions dying, hospitals swamped so those young people can socializing
God forbid if any have serious accident cannot be treated due to hospitals been over run and are left to die at home.
But hey yeah, we only ask them to respect social distancing, it's not like they are in solitary confinement. They can still meet up and have a few cans out the back around a BBQ etc.... is that too much to sacrifice?

Cool story.

cnocbui · 11-07-2020 02:07AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sorry what shambles is that?

Allowing millions of masks manufactured in Limerick to be sent to China and elsewhere and not stopping that when it was clear lives would be lost as a result

Not locking down Care Homes and in fact resisting calls to do so.

Playing down the efficacy of masks and not implementing their use by the public months ago.

Allowing people to travel to Cheltenham and back.

Not locking down the borders when the skiers were coming back, not implementing supervised quarantining of travelers, like returned skiers - remember the school?.

Not removing infected people from their homes and generally not testing enough.

And before all that, tolerating a near 3rd world health system despite first world spending on it.

Plumbthedepths · 11-07-2020 02:14AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Allowing millions of masks manufactured in Limerick to be sent to China and elsewhere and not stopping that when it was clear lives would be lost as a result

Not locking down Care Homes and in fact resisting calls to do so.

Playing down the efficacy of masks and not implementing their use by the public months ago.

Allowing people to travel to Cheltenham and back.

Not locking down the borders when the skiers were coming back, not implementing supervised quarantining of travelers, like returned skiers - remember the school?.

Not removing infected people from their homes and generally not testing enough.

And before all that, tolerating a near 3rd world health system despite first world spending on it.

A far better response than I could formulate. Your response actually demonstrates the p*ss poor governments we have endured for decades and I don't hold much hope for the present one to break the mould.

caveat emptor · 11-07-2020 02:24AM

Really great.to see so many tourists out at the cliffs of mother today. I hope they all observed the two week quarantine but I suspect not. Lots of Americans, Britsh, Brazilians.

https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/2031499/cliffs-of-moher/?hl=el

Wolf359f · 11-07-2020 02:25AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Allowing millions of masks manufactured in Limerick to be sent to China and elsewhere and not stopping that when it was clear lives would be lost as a result

Not locking down Care Homes and in fact resisting calls to do so.

Playing down the efficacy of masks and not implementing their use by the public months ago.

Allowing people to travel to Cheltenham and back.

Not locking down the borders when the skiers were coming back, not implementing supervised quarantining of travelers, like returned skiers - remember the school?.

Not removing infected people from their homes and generally not testing enough.

And before all that, tolerating a near 3rd world health system despite first world spending on it.

There's plenty to argue and not a single country has done right. Every country are below another in response. But are you seriously suggesting the government should drag people from their homes and imprison them for testing positive? Good luck getting people to submit to a test if that's the case.
Contact tracing would be worthless then.

Wolf359f · 11-07-2020 02:31AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Really great.to see so many tourists out at the cliffs of mother today. I hope they all observed the two week quarantine but I suspect not. Lots of Americans, Britsh, Brazilians.

https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/2031499/cliffs-of-moher/?hl=el

American, British and Brazilians, yet you link to a Greece account?

cnocbui · 11-07-2020 02:42AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A far better response than I could formulate. Your response actually demonstrates the p*ss poor governments we have endured for decades and I don't hold much hope for the present one to break the mould.

How could a government tolerate patients on trolleys at Limerick regional for over a decade, without expanding capacity or building anew? Identify the need for a childrens hospital in the mid 90's and then take a quarter of a century to do something about it and then stuff it up, not to mention the utterly bizarre and thoroughly inappropriate involvement of religious orders.

caveat emptor · 11-07-2020 02:48AM

I've spent 20 minutes on instagram and identified 5 people who don't give a **** about rules. They are all doing the tour the island thing.

Here's another. Skydive in Florida 3 weeks ago, 3 days later giants causeway. 1 week after that cliffs of moher etc.

What the fvck are we doing here. Pretending people are going to come on holidays......and actually holiday as opposed to self isolate in a cottage PS I love you style.

We need to get real.
Just to add a staycation maybe more dangerous than you realise.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CB5_vWNBQIv/

Goldengirl · 11-07-2020 02:50AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So old people dying, those at risk dying, those with underlying conditions dying, hospitals swamped so those young people can socializing
God forbid if any have serious accident cannot be treated due to hospitals been over run and are left to die at home.
But hey yeah, we only ask them to respect social distancing, it's not like they are in solitary confinement. They can still meet up and have a few cans out the back around a BBQ etc.... is that too much to sacrifice?

I agree with you and at least the restrictions are eased now a bit for all concerned.
But I have to agree with the op that it is difficult for some more than others .
I too have kids in teens and early twenties , and while they are sticking pretty much to the restrictions , they are finding it harder and one was particularly upset over it recently .
We never had something in our lives like this ,and the uncertainty of when it is going to end is the worst thing to bear for everyone , but especially the younger age groups imo.
I think most have been great about it and are pretty resilient, but it is bound to have some ill effect if it goes on too much longer .
Doesn't mean we can let it all go though we have done so much now to suppress the virus , and unfortunately that message has to be reinforced as much as possible .

marno21 · 11-07-2020 02:51AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It's a page of people's post. Check the photos and users. They are from everywhere.

Check it out.

This lovely lady was in Miami Florida three days ago #quarantinelife is so lame.

3 days later she's on the cliffs of moher. Air travel is awesome even in a pandemic. So awesome that people are enjoying this lovely island no ****s given

Our "regs" are a load of sh!te and no-one is or will respect them. That's the point though as the tourism industry needs the jobs etc.

While we are not allowed to go on holiday.

I don't consent to any more lockdown issues if this blatant bull**** doesn't stop. What's the point.

https://www.instagram.com/terepc1/

(I'm not saying anything about this specific person although clearly in violation of regulations. I'm posting it to draw attention to the fact that the general behaviour is wrong and is permitted albeit implicitly while we are suppose to put on green jersey etc. )

First hashtag on that post is tbt - throwback Thursday. Person put up a memory from when travel was ok when they were in Ireland.

fritzelly · 11-07-2020 02:51AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I've spent 20 minutes on instagram and identified 5 people who don't give a **** about rules. They are all doing the tour the island thing.

Maybe you should find another pastime instead of stalking people on instagram or stick to twitter

We all know they are coming here

caveat emptor · 11-07-2020 02:57AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Maybe you should find another pastime instead of stalking people on instagram

We all know they are coming here

Haha. Yeah the second one isn't though. I'm sure every other American who is here on holiday is doing the right thing. Seems very likely. You can shove your staycation up your hole as you are more likely to bump into one of these asymptomatic lunatics.

So are we ok with that?
I'm not actually. I don't know why the fvck we locked down and I won't be doing it again.
I won't be going along with the clap for healthcare worker bull**** either when we let anyone in who can afford a flight to leave the **** show at home. Mixing them all up in a non socially distant metal tube to then go forth a propagate. We're actually helping it spread.

It really is ridiculous and duplicitous that we can't go on holiday.

caveat emptor · 11-07-2020 02:59AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Maybe you should find another pastime instead of stalking people on instagram or stick to twitter

We all know they are coming here

Maybe you should give a crap about the people who died.
Maybe you should give a crap about the healthcare workers who went through hell and contracted while treating people who needed help.
This is reckless in the extreme.

fritzelly · 11-07-2020 02:59AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Haha. Yeah the second one isn't though. I'm sure every other American who is here on holiday is doing the right thing. Seems very likely. You can shove your staycation up your hole as you are more likely to bump into one of these asymptomatic lunatics.

So are we ok with that?
I'm not actually. I don't know why the fvck we locked down and I won't be doing it again.
I won't be going along with the clap for healthcare worker bull**** either when we let anyone in who can afford a flight to leave the **** show at home. Mixing them all up in a non socially distant metal tube to then go forth a propagate. We're actually helping it spread.

It really is ridiculous and duplicitous that we can't go on holiday.

Oh I agree with you - anyone can come here but we're told stay in Ireland - BS of the highest order

caveat emptor wrote: »

Maybe you should give a crap about the people who died.
Maybe you should give a crap about the healthcare workers who went through hell and contracted while treating people who needed help.
This is reckless in the extreme.

And you just went to an whole other level with that

Wolf359f · 11-07-2020 03:00AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I agree with you and at least the restrictions are eased now a bit for all concerned.
But I have to agree with the op (sigh) that it is difficult for some more than others .
I too have kids in teens and early twenties , and while they are sticking pretty much to the restrictions , they are finding it harder and one was particularly upset over it recently .
We never had something in our lives like this ,and the uncertainty of when it is going to end is the worst thing to bear for everyone , but especially the younger age groups imo.
I think most have been great about it and are pretty resilient, but it is bound to have some ill effect if it goes on too much longer .
Doesn't mean we can let it all go though we have done so much now to suppress the virus , and unfortunately that message has to be reinforced as much as possible .

I don't mean to come across as rude or insensitive, I don't have kids and I'll admit the restrictions haven't been too hard on me (granted mentally and financially it will take it's toll) I know others have had it much much worse.
But it's been 4 months of lax restrictions and I always think if we had a natural disaster or a war, based on this pandemic so far, we wouldn't survive as a country. This country has had it much much worse in living memory and reading boards it's complaints about getting a hair cut, going on holidays or going to the pub. It's almost like it's nothing serious.

Goldengirl · 11-07-2020 03:04AM

cnocbui wrote: »

How could a government tolerate patients on trolleys at Limerick regional for over a decade, without expanding capacity or building anew? Identify the need for a childrens hospital in the mid 90's and then take a quarter of a century to do something about it and then stuff it up, not to mention the utterly bizarre and thoroughly inappropriate involvement of religious orders.

Patients on trolleys, not just in Limerick but all over Ireland, cnocbuí , and not just tolerated but made worse by every government for the last 20years.

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