Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

timsey tiger wrote: »

That explains the receipt for 31 pints and a portion of chicken wings doing the rounds a few days back.

I guess we just have to see where the clusters are appearing and how many they can contain in the future. I trust a small country pub would be able to be contained as a cluster more successfully than a house party.

Also any pub linked to a cluster may have to be closed down for a while, maybe it takes a few before the rest get their act in order.
The 31 pints receipt, I'll admit, I was sickened to see.

fritzelly wrote: »

Why bring in about people who thanked the post

Maybe you should reread it - the whole point was the government not doing anything about (American) tourists coming here

My apologies. Reread and see what you said properly.

Assetbacked wrote: »

If you eat meat, you caused covid.

There is this hypocritical bias in favour of eating cows, pigs and sheep in Ireland while we condemn the obscure and exotic animals eaten in China and the practices that are suspected to have lead to covid.

If you eat animals, **** you. **** you in particular those that eat animals and call for continued or more restrictions to combat covid.

Such ****e..

No co-incidence the lab using gain of function methods on coronavirus is 500 metres from the market.
This was man made and Obama saw it coming and outlawed it, Trump enabled it again..

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

The National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.
In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

Many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans, because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from accidental release.

The NIH research consisted of two parts. The first part began in 2014 and involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses, and had a budget of $3.7 million. The program funded Shi Zheng-Li, a virologist at the Wuhan lab, and other researchers to investigate and catalogue bat coronaviruses in the wild. This part of the project was completed in 2019.

A second phase of the project, beginning that year, included additional surveillance work but also gain-of-function research for the purpose of understanding how bat coronaviruses could mutate to attack humans. The project was run by EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group, under the direction of President Peter Daszak, an expert on disease ecology. NIAID canceled the project just this past Friday, April 24th, Politico reported. Daszak did not immediately respond to Newsweek requests for comment.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Suggesting I was traumatized is not personal? You need to check your posting style tbh.
Maybe don't get personal ?

And you are not getting personal?
Why should you make comments about people's posting styles and think that is not personal ?
I was replying to your post where you had bad memories about your schooldays threats of detention etc . and compared that to future possible restrictions .
Just addressing your post and the comments within .
So sorry it was not to your liking !

Assetbacked wrote: »

If you eat meat, you caused covid.

There is this hypocritical bias in favour of eating cows, pigs and sheep in Ireland while we condemn the obscure and exotic animals eaten in China and the practices that are suspected to have lead to covid.

If you eat animals, **** you. **** you in particular those that eat animals and call for continued or more restrictions to combat covid.

We've got a live one, time to back away slowly from this thread for a while.

Assetbacked wrote: »

This is an incredible testing regime. Could Ireland learn from it?

Gotta remember USA has a population about 75% the size of the entire EU. I'm sure the EU collectively is doing as many or more tests per capita as the US.

Assetbacked wrote: »

The headlines earlier this week about UK pubs closing after the reopening was nnot because of the crowds that appeared all ove the place around the UK. Staff and family members of staff contracted covid and they were closed as a precaution.

So closing down a pub is a good headline but it doesn't mean much without explanation. Watch this space, undoubtedly we will have headlines about pubs being closed once they reopen for supposed failure to adhere to the guidance.

You do understand if there's a positive case in a pub then all staff would have to isolate for 2 weeks. That means the bar can't reopen. You really think house parties will adhere to that?
Like the tracing app, it's not stopping that initial transmission of the virus, it's breaking the chains further down the line.

Assetbacked wrote: »

This is an incredible testing regime. Could Ireland learn from it?

Testing based on population per day
America - 0.19% (based on 634k tests)
Ireland - 0.2% (based on 10k tests)

They aren't doing anything great at all (worse testing percentage than Ireland) except getting ravaged by a virus due to not really caring about it

s1ippy wrote: »

At the beginning, there were reports that it could also have been an animal which was experimented on and sold by a low-paid worker in the lab like a cleaner.

I'm a bit drunk so searching for the articles about that is beyond me

I'm glad this stupid virus still hasn't taken away my weekend revelry!

Agreed :-) Happy weekend!!

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As suggested by another poster opening the pubs will help in contact tracing. Trying to police house parties is a no win for the authorities at least with the pubs the restrictions and contact details have a chance to stay on top of things.

Sure they couldn't be policed for the last 3 months, you can't police them either unless the gardai turn up at every house party.

At least having people in a controlled environment (pubs) there's measures in place.

Look nothings perfect but our cases are low, hosptial & ICU is low. I see no reason currently as we stand today to not move onto phase 4.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have two sons in their 20's , people trying to get this age group to put their lives on hold need to cop on. They followed the restrictions in the early months but the shambles being overseen by the government has p*ssed them off and honestly I don't blame them.

Sorry what shambles is that?

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have two sons in their 20's , people trying to get this age group to put their lives on hold need to cop on. They followed the restrictions in the early months but the shambles being overseen by the government has p*ssed them off and honestly I don't blame them.

All age groups have put their lives on hold, it's not just the young!

Pretty interesting article (from New York Times) about the virus.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/monster-or-machine-everything-we-know-about-coronavirus-after-six-months-1.4298414

Some quotes

Three hours after the virus’s code was published Inovio Pharmaceuticals, based in San Diego, in California, began work on a vaccine against it – one of more than 145 such efforts now under way around the world.

The first known patient was hospitalised in Wuhan on December 16th, 2019, and first felt ill on December 1st; the first infection would have occurred still earlier. Sometime before that the virus, or its progenitor, was in a bat – the genome is 96 per cent similar to a bat virus. How long ago it made that jump, and acquired the mutations necessary to do so, is unclear. In any case, and contrary to certain conspiracy theories, Sars-CoV-2 was not engineered in a laboratory.