Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

stephenjmcd · 10-07-2020 12:59PM

Jay Dee wrote: »

Hi,

May not be for here relocate if needed.

Every day we get "X" number of new cases.
Is there any way of identifying where in the country they were ?.

Thanks

Jay

Perfectly suited for here. Yup it lags about 2 days behind but yeah there does be a number given on cases per county. Comes out of HPSC data.

Citizen erased usually puts it up most evenings, he's on the ball when it comes to the stats

US2 · 10-07-2020 12:59PM

If you're scared or vulnerable stay at home, everyone else should be allowed do what they like and go where they like. I really don't understand the logic in restrictions on the whole population.

Itssoeasy · 10-07-2020 01:02PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

I was just listening to the radio and someone (and I didn’t catch her name but the way she was being interview sounded like a politician) said that the advice on no travel stands and that was always the intention that the “green” countries list was still supposed to be essential travel only. I don’t think anyone understood that to be the point of the green list?? It’s pointless then

Well that's good it's been clarified. I mean unless and until the public health advice is something other than "essential travel only" nobody should be going abroad in my opinion.

Also, just looking at the graph of cases we had 46 cases one day in June even with the "rise" the curve is still flat and there is no visible spike or otherwise and I remembered last night why I'd more of less stopped reading this thread. I'll stick to the rte website again. All of us have been in the same position for months now so nobody's opinion is any more or less valid than anyone else. The last few months have been an utter cluster**** and thankfully we have done a great job as a nation of bringing the virus undercontrol and the line looks like a dog bumping it's hole off the ground.
We should all remain careful but we can't keep under lock and key indefinitely. That's not good economically and more importantly physically and mentally for the country.

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 01:02PM

YellowBucket wrote: »

I’m not “veering” any way and I think that’s one hell of an accusation to make and I think you should withdraw it.

It makes absolutely no sense to control infections here while you’ve connectivity, without checks, to regions of the world, including the United States, that haven’t got very good control of it at all.

The opening of access to and from countries with comparable or better levels of virus suppression makes a lot of sense. Having access from (and not to btw) Dallas for example makes absolutely no sense, unless you’re going to screen passengers properly, which we clearly aren’t doing.

We should be coordinating tightly with Schengen on this and we aren’t.

The U.K. should be too, but no doubt they won’t and, based on experience of how the Tories have behaved, could well political decide to do something totally counterproductive.

I'm not sure why you're so outraged when you clearly want to keep people out or use forced quarantine. Travel has not caused huge problems anywhere with numbers, there certainly have been blips, most of which were brought under control.

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 01:07PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's an automatic reflex, coughing into one's elbow is a learned process. If you search for things every time you go out that will annoy you, you'll find plenty. Just clean your own hands regularly you'll be fine.

You forgot, socially distance. You forgot wear a mask in enclosed spaces.
If we are giving advice let’s give it to the fullest

YellowBucket · 10-07-2020 01:07PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I'm not sure why you're so outraged when you clearly want to keep people out or use forced quarantine. Travel has not caused huge problems anywhere with numbers, there certainly have been blips, most of which were brought under control.

What I want is to see proper controls at airports, perhaps a move toward testing which could facilitate safe travel.

I don’t appreciate having words put in my mouth like that!

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 01:09PM

YellowBucket wrote: »

I’m not “veering” any way and I think that’s one hell of an accusation to make and I think you should withdraw it.

Australian politics in particular has a major problem with xenophobia and that seems to be what you’re suggesting.

It makes absolutely no sense to control infections here while you’ve connectivity, without checks, to regions of the world, including the United States, that haven’t got very good control of it at all.

The opening of access to and from countries with comparable or better levels of virus suppression makes a lot of sense. Having access from (and not to btw as Trump slammed a full travel ban on us back in February) Dallas for example makes absolutely no sense, unless you’re going to screen passengers properly, which we clearly aren’t doing.

There’s very little reason at this stage we couldn’t do rapid tests and also recoup the cost of those as part of the cost of a flight ticket.

They also should apply to all people travelling from areas with high levels of community transmission, including Irish citizens. The virus doesn’t give a damn what is written on your passport, where you were born, what your citizenship is, what the purpose of your travel is. It’s just a virus.

We should be coordinating tightly with Schengen on this and we aren’t.

The U.K. should be too, but no doubt they won’t and, based on experience of how the Tories have behaved, could well political decide to do something totally counterproductive.

The reality is if we are going to open up global travel to normality, we need mass testing technology available.

We could well still be facing major issues in 12 months time depending on effectiveness and uptake of vaccines for example.

Ah listen I wouldn’t get too worked up about some of the replies on here. There’s a certain cohort that are pretty much WUM at this stage and shout down any view that isn’t over 95% optimistic.
Any negativity draws a large reaction here.

FishOnABike · 10-07-2020 01:12PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

I was just listening to the radio and someone (and I didn’t catch her name but the way she was being interview sounded like a politician) said that the advice on no travel stands and that was always the intention that the “green” countries list was still supposed to be essential travel only. I don’t think anyone understood that to be the point of the green list?? It’s pointless then

The point of a 'green list' is that people will be able to travel to them and return without being required to self quarantine for two weeks. Non essential travel is still advised against though.

Travel from a non 'green list' country and a person would require to self quarantine for two weeks.

The distinction between 'green list' and 'non greenlist' countries regarding the requirement to self quarantine might be significant if a person needed to travel for urgent personal or work reasons.

hmmm · 10-07-2020 01:14PM

US2 wrote: »

If you're scared or vulnerable stay at home, everyone else should be allowed do what they like and go where they like. I really don't understand the logic in restrictions on the whole population.

We can't allow hospitals to become overwhelmed, and the models show that this will happen even if we ask everyone who is particularly vulnerable to stay hidden. This disease will also affect people who are not high risk. You might not care what happens to you, but some ICU doctor or nurse is potentially going to risk their health to save you whether you like it or not.

Besides which unless we round up everyone over 65, or with a comorbidity, and isolate them on island, there is no way to protect everyone who needs to be protected. They live in family groups, they go to work, they visit doctors, dentists etc.

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 01:14PM

US2 wrote: »

If you're scared or vulnerable stay at home, everyone else should be allowed do what they like and go where they like. I really don't understand the logic in restrictions on the whole population.

What if your healthy but you live with vulnerable people?
What’s your advice here?

ACitizenErased · 10-07-2020 01:15PM

https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1281562141540130816?s=21

irishlad123456 · 10-07-2020 01:17PM

Can’t believe all the doom and gloom about the media this past week, these professors and immunologists constantly talking about a second lockdown, we are getting and average of 14 cases a day!!! That’s less that one in every county, this will be around for ages why do some people expect it to just disappear

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 01:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1281562141540130816?s=21

Hmmm, what’s the logic here? Have they pinned all their hope on the oxford vaccine that they plan to keep for themselves or do they own the development of that vaccine? Or is it a private company that’s developing that vaccine?

spookwoman · 10-07-2020 01:18PM

hmmm wrote: »

We can't allow hospitals to become overwhelmed, and the models show that this will happen even if we ask everyone who is particularly vulnerable to stay hidden. This disease will also affect people who are not high risk. You might not care what happens to you, but some ICU doctor or nurse is potentially going to risk their health to save you whether you like it or not.

Besides which unless we round up everyone over 65, or with a comorbidity, and isolate them on island, there is no way to protect everyone who needs to be protected. They live in family groups, they go to work, they visit doctors, dentists etc.

And there are people also becoming very ill, with permanent organ damage who don't have underlying health problems. This virus doesn't care if you are young and healthy.

stephenjmcd · 10-07-2020 01:20PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Hmmm, what’s the logic here? Have they pinned all their hope on the oxford vaccine that they plan to keep for themselves or do they own the development of that vaccine? Or is it a private company that’s developing that vaccine?

They basically won't have access to whatever vaccines supply the EU purchase which so far is 400m doses of Oxford vaccine with the potential for 200m more.

They'll go out on their own and buy their own supplies and negotiate the deal themselves with whatever supplier they want, be it oxford or J&J etc.

Its more of the we're out of the EU we don't need your help crap

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:21PM

irishlad123456 wrote: »

Can’t believe all the doom and gloom about the media this past week, these professors and immunologists constantly talking about a second lockdown, we are getting and average of 14 cases a day!!! That’s less that one in every county, this will be around for ages why do some people expect it to just disappear

It depends who you listen to. Several of the experts want the virus eradicated but don't care about the societal or economic damage. Other experts believe we have to live with the virus and minimise the risks as much as possible but stil allowing life to continue.

Jackman25 · 10-07-2020 01:22PM

spookwoman wrote: »

And there are people also becoming very ill, with permanent organ damage who don't have underlying health problems. This virus doesn't care if you are young and healthy.

How many?

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 01:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They basically won't have access to whatever vaccines supply the EU purchase which so far is 400m doses of Oxford vaccine with the potential for 200m more.

They'll go out on their own and buy their own supplies and negotiate the deal themselves with whatever supplier they want, be it oxford of J&J etc

That’s crazy! Unless they have stocks hidden away somewhere or it could be that they are cutting off their nose to spite their face by just not wanting to be part of anything to do with the eu, which is grossly irresponsible for their citizens.
Nuts.

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 01:24PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It depends who you listen to. Several of the experts want the virus eradicated but don't care about the societal or economic damage. Other experts believe we have to live with the virus and minimise the risks as much as possible but stil allowing life to continue.

Yep. But even with second option views differ. Some advocate masks, some not so. Some looking for mandatory quarantine for incoming tourists (from hotspots) others not so.

pjohnson · 10-07-2020 01:24PM

spookwoman wrote: »

And there are people also becoming very ill, with permanent organ damage who don't have underlying health problems. This virus doesn't care if you are young and healthy.

This has been pointed out for months and the same dopes still think young = immune.

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:25PM

spookwoman wrote: »

And there are people also becoming very ill, with permanent organ damage who don't have underlying health problems. This virus doesn't care if you are young and healthy.

What percentage of those infected and hospitalised have experienced what you have said above?
We are all aware the virus makes no distinction between age but it is fact it has devastating consequences for the elderly in comparison for the young.

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 01:25PM

tom1ie wrote: »

That’s crazy! Unless they have stocks hidden away somewhere or unless they are cutting off their nose to spite their face by just not wanting to be part of anything to do with the eu, which is grossly irresponsible for their citizens.
Nuts.

It is and it isn't. Considering where they'll be in the near future it makes sense to them.

stephenjmcd · 10-07-2020 01:25PM

tom1ie wrote: »

That’s crazy! Unless they have stocks hidden away somewhere or unless they are cutting off their nose to spite their face by just not wanting to be part of anything to do with the eu, which is grossly irresponsible for their citizens.
Nuts.

its pigheadedness. Its more of the we've left the EU we'll do it our own way sh1te. We'll do our own deals brexit means brexit...

In this case I'd rather have the EU support than be out on my own but they can't be seen to be at that

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:26PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Yep. But even with second option views differ. Some advocate masks, some not so. Some looking for mandatory quarantine for incoming tourists (from hotspots) others not so.

Which leads you back to doing what you feel is best based on acceptable advice and risk.

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 01:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It is and it isn't. Considering where they'll be in the near future it makes sense to them.

As in out of the eu? But I mean blocking yourself off from a potential vaccine so that you make a point is absolutely brain numbingly stupid.

Plumbthedepths · 10-07-2020 01:28PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

How many?

Very few but if you listened to some news sources you would believe it was every individual who contracted the virus.

YellowBucket · 10-07-2020 01:29PM

I’m guessing a flag emblazoned Dyson vaccine machine that injects you at your local Witherspoons is on its way then!

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 01:31PM

YellowBucket wrote: »

I’m guessing a flag emblazoned Dyson vaccine machine that injects you at your local Witherspoons is on its way then!

Yes, operated by Jeremy clarkson.

timsey tiger · 10-07-2020 01:32PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

What quarantine is this? There is no quarantine and that is not Government Policy.

Plus - I think my key question is in respect to employees who will be put in a difficult position if advice changes when they are away.

I thought advice was and still is don't travel abroad this year unless absolutely necessary.

spookwoman · 10-07-2020 01:33PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What percentage of those infected and hospitalised have experienced what you have said above?
We are all aware the virus makes no distinction between age but it is fact it has devastating consequences for the elderly in comparison for the young.

RTFN! Its all over the bloody news if you bother to look that there are no definitive numbers as this is still early days. It take months even years for lungs to heal but doctors are seeings a trend. It could be as high as 1 in 5 of those that needed intensive care treatment.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2247086-the-coronavirus-is-leaving-some-people-with-permanent-lung-damage/

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53065340

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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