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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #3932
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    I like Dr Ronan Glynn
    He is repeatedly telling people we are going to have to live with the virus.
    He definitely has a less fear approach to the situation but he will have his work cut out trying to convince people to live with the virus.


  • #3933
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Renjit wrote: »
    One has to consider the way pandemic is transpiring in US, some US tourists will not give much thought before traveling for their vacations. The entitlement transcends borders.

    Absolutely, if I was an American I’d love to come to Ireland with low levels of infection. Just like how I’d love to holiday in New Zealand this year because it’s extremely safe, but don’t wanna do the mandatory quarantine even if they were letting visitors in.


  • #3934
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ZX7R wrote: »
    I like Dr Ronan Glynn
    He is repeatedly telling people we are going to have to live with the virus.
    He definitely has a less fear approach to the situation but he will have his work cut out trying to convince people to live with the virus.

    He's right. The submariners on this thread don't like that sort of realistic talk.


  • #3935
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    is_that_so wrote: »
    How many American tourists are actually coming in? My impression is that most of them are Irish people. I think the possible testing of passengers from high risk areas is a better approach for all.

    Their nationality is irrelevant if there’s any risk of them not self isolating properly. It’s *anyone* coming from an area of high and poorly managed infection that we need to be ensuring are entering Ireland as little as possible and only very safely if they have to come here.


  • #3936
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    maebee wrote: »
    . Spain will still be there next year.

    Do you reckon? The virus isn’t going away. Next year and the year after it will be the same shyte on this forum finger wagging about people thinking of travelling abroad.

    I hope the people who are preaching about travelling abroad think twice about travelling around Ireland too because the virus is still in the country to spread.


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  • #3937
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Absolutely, if I was an American I’d love to come to Ireland with low levels of infection. Just like how I’d love to holiday in New Zealand this year because it’s extremely safe, but don’t wanna do the mandatory quarantine even if they were letting visitors in.

    yeah but that's out of reach or even desire for the average American. Sure it wasn't that many threads ago that people were lambasting Americans for not having passports or traveling outside the US. Now they are flying in en masse to spread illness in ireland apparently.

    Except they arent. Its ok, you can relax for a bit on that front. Or you can stress about house parties/ family gatherings/ Beach trips/ meals out/ pubs/ schools/ hair cuts/ supermarkets/takeaways/going outside. Thats what people do now isnt it? Up to you.


  • #3938
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    RTÉ really on campaign of worry again

    Doctor on now warning about return to April levels within 4 weeks


  • #3939
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Also sounding warning about pubs reopening in next phase


  • #3940
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    RTÉ really on campaign of worry again

    Doctor on now warning about return to April levels within 4 weeks

    It’s not an unreasonable worry given that we got to April’s levels in about 4 weeks and we were taking some degree of precaution in March.

    While some things have changed, many haven’t & we are a mixed bag when it comes to what we are doing about social distancing and so on. Some taking it seriously. Many seem to have given up.

    I was in a cafe in suburban cork yesterday and there was no evidence of any pandemic other than one, rather annoyingly hung, small plexiglass shield over the till, with people chatting away leaning around it on both sides..


  • #3941
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Of the 23 cases yesterday 9 are related to 1 new cluster. Dr Glynn has said this cluster "is not from a pub gathering".

    He's also restated that the small rise was not unexpected.


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  • #3942
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    RTÉ really on campaign of worry again

    Doctor on now warning about return to April levels within 4 weeks

    Its beyond ridiculous the nonsense they are peddling. It's incredibly easy to instill fear it's quite difficult to reverse.
    People are far more aware now the steps and manner they need to act to lessen their exposure. The anecdotal nonsense I see online of all 'social distancing is out the window' is just that nonsense and idiots with nothing better to do than to wind up others.
    There is a small cohort that are irresponsible, but they were like this before the crisis and will still behave in that manner after this has passed .


  • #3943
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Also sounding warning about pubs reopening in next phase

    I fuvcking hate scientists. Thanks for raising. I much prefer to get my epidemiological news from a sheep farmer.

    Good man.


  • #3944
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    When are some people going to cop on and stop coughing into their hands? They might as well go to the toilet and wipe their sh1tty ass with their hands for all good it does.


  • #3945
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Of the 23 cases yesterday 9 are related to 1 new cluster. Dr Glynn has said this cluster "is not from a pub gathering".

    He's also restated that the small rise was not unexpected.

    An increase has been flagged for weeks as restrictions are lifted, either people weren't listening or choose not to hear.


  • #3946
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Its beyond ridiculous the nonsense they are peddling. It's incredibly easy to instill fear it's quite difficult to reverse.
    People are far more aware now the steps and manner they need to act to lessen their exposure. The anecdotal nonsense I see online of all 'social distancing is out the window' is just that nonsense and idiots with nothing better to do than to wind up others.
    There is a small cohort that are irresponsible, but they were like this before the crisis and will still behave in that manner after this has passed .

    Just wait and see them start stirring **** when a vaccine is rolled out. We'll get anecdotal stories of their third cousins girlfriends nephew who took the vaccine and sprouted a pair of bollocks on his chin. There is a small cohort of people who just love calamity.


  • #3947
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    That’s not my observation of it at all. The social distancing in a lot of places has “gone out the window” and I’m hearing colleagues saying things like “ah sure we never really had any of it in Ireland anyway.”

    Just to give you that cafe example:

    1. Very little evidence of social distancing by customers or staff. Tables were a bit spread out but that was all.

    2. No hand sanitiser on way in.

    3. Shared pour-your-own milk jugs being picked up and handled by hundreds of people.

    4. Not a mask in sight anywhere.

    5. Basically no shielding of any type behind the counter and staff all walking right on top of each other and around each other making sandwiches and coffee without a care in the world it seems.


  • #3948
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    RTÉ really on campaign of worry again

    Doctor on now warning about return to April levels within 4 weeks

    DR Scally I believe, who's been on weekly about basically having things shutdown until 0 cases on the Island. He wants full eradication

    Dr Lambert on now, speaks a huge amount of sense


  • #3949
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    It’s not an unreasonable worry given that we got to April’s levels in about 4 weeks and we were taking some degree of precaution in March.

    While some things have changed, many haven’t & we are a mixed bag when it comes to what we are doing about social distancing and so on.

    It's unnecessary worry at this stage given the low case numbers and very good numbers in hospital/ICU

    When things open up cases are bound to pick up a bit


  • #3950
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    well can you prove otherwise? Do you have the travel stats? Did you interview all the people with suitcases that youve seen to ascertain their origin? No you haven't so..

    Hardly any Americans are traveling to europe right now. 5 flights is a lot less than usual. If anything its repatriations coming back to ireland or other european countries transiting through. You cant stop those, sorry.

    thats a ridiculous argument, well can you prove otherwise? Do you have the travel stats? Did you interview all the people with suitcases that youve seen to ascertain their origin? No you haven't so..


  • #3951
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    This talk of lockdown s is ridiculous, eamon Ryan as transport minister is allowing unnecessary travel into the country, yet they might turn around and not allow unnecessary travel out of our own homes soon


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  • #3952
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    It’s not an unreasonable worry given that we got to April’s levels in about 4 weeks and we were taking some degree of precaution in March.

    While some things have changed, many haven’t & we are a mixed bag when it comes to what we are doing about social distancing and so on. Some taking it seriously. Many seem to have given up.

    I was in a cafe in suburban cork yesterday and there was no evidence of any pandemic other than one, rather annoyingly hung, small plexiglass shield over the till, with people chatting away leaning around it on both sides..

    It is unreasonable, we have significant chunk of the country working from home, we generally have social distancing in shops, we have a proper testing system, a tracing system, a (minor) amount of people will also have some immunity. The situation isn't the same.


  • #3953
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ZX7R wrote: »
    I like Dr Ronan Glynn
    He is repeatedly telling people we are going to have to live with the virus.
    He definitely has a less fear approach to the situation but he will have his work cut out trying to convince people to live with the virus.
    I think that's what's happening now. They're trying to remind people that things can't go back to "normal" - we can get back to playing sports, pubs, restaurants etc., but all these things have to be done while still maintaining social distancing.

    A lot of people have just gone straight back to normal. That only happens once we get an effective vaccine.


  • #3954
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    owlbethere wrote: »
    When are some people going to cop on and stop coughing into their hands? They might as well go to the toilet and wipe their sh1tty ass with their hands for all good it does.
    It's an automatic reflex, coughing into one's elbow is a learned process. If you search for things every time you go out that will annoy you, you'll find plenty. Just clean your own hands regularly you'll be fine.


  • #3955
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    AdamD wrote: »
    This is not normal

    I'm pretty sure you are not normal. I wouldn't go outside if I were you......probably.

    Of course I don't know who the **** are you. So I reserve judgement.


  • #3956
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    I was in a campsite in kerry all of last week and almost every campervan and car had British plates. Yet I'm advised against going to Spain for a week. Good thing I judge the risk myself, I'm off on 27th :)


  • #3957
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    AdamD wrote: »
    It is unreasonable, we have significant chunk of the country working from home, we generally have social distancing in shops, we have a proper testing system, a tracing system, a (minor) amount of people will also have some immunity. The situation isn't the same.

    Again though, I’m seeing very patchy implementation of social distancing. The pubs, most of the supermarkets, pharmacies and some others are taking it extremely seriously. A lot of other places really aren’t.

    I was stopped and told to sanitise my hands, even though I already had done using my own sanitiser, on the way into AIB. Go two seconds down the street and you’ve a cafe operating exactly like they did this time last year.

    My view of it based on what I’m seeing in Cork City anyway is that it’s extremely hit and miss and at least half the population and businesses are assuming there’s zero risk.

    It’s better than nothing but it’s inconsistent and often not well done.

    I felt we did more in many respects during the foot and mouth outbreak to be quite honest.


  • #3958
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    YellowBucket wrote: »
    Again though, I’m seeing very patchy implementation of social distancing. The pubs, most of the supermarkets, pharmacies and some others are taking it extremely seriously. A lot of other places really aren’t.

    I was stopped and told to sanitise my hands, even though I already had done using my own sanitiser, on the way into AIB. Go two seconds down the street and you’ve a cafe operating exactly like they did this time last year.

    My view of it based on what I’m seeing in Cork City anyway is that it’s extremely hit and miss and at least half the population and businesses are assuming there’s zero risk.

    I'm a free man and while dr Tony can move his sheep through Dublin I'm entntitled to get locked. end of.


  • #3959
    yawhat?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭yawhat?


    US2 wrote: »
    I was in a campsite in kerry all of last week and almost every campervan and car had British plates. Yet I'm advised against going to Spain for a week. Good thing I judge the risk myself, I'm off on 27th :)

    Look at me Mom, no hands.........


  • #3960
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Dr Lambert bringing some realism to the disuccsion on RTE, personal responsibility being key and Dr Glynn has also been mentioning last few days.

    Whereas you have Dr Scally saying the only places you could go on holidays are Iceland or the Faore Islands.


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  • #3961
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I'm a free man and while dr Tony can move his sheep through Dublin I'm entntitled to get locked. end of.

    So basically society be damned! Old people be damned! Pay for my pint with billions spent on combating a second wave?

    Great! Well done there.


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