Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Gael23 · 10-07-2020 07:47AM

Looking at the detail behind yesterday’s figures while unwelcome I don’t see a huge cause for panic. Being mostly young people few will require medical attention which is the main flag. That said many will have parents and grandparents to pass it on to if they don’t isolate properly

10000maniacs · 10-07-2020 08:08AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yes to the Irish, what are you not understanding about this?? All EU countries have been allowed in since borders reopened not just Schengen.

Third countries outside of the European block that are allowed by the EU will soon be allowed to travel into the block

I was under the impression there was a 14 day quarantine period but apologies if that is not the case anymore. Rules seem to be changing rapidly. Anyway it is still a huge risk for Irish people to travel to Spain in huge numbers. It will bite us hard down the line.

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 08:09AM

dfx- wrote: »

We're talking of case numbers of less than one per county. 10 cases a day for two weeks, only four a day in Dublin. We're talking percentages of low numbers, the virus is clearly not running wild. I'd find that R value (as high as London) very hard to believe.

It can jump when you have a large rise in very low numbers. Nolan has also said it's difficult to predict with any level of accuracy at such low levels. The message from yesterday is be careful. Whatever sense we can make of R0 we've had it drilled into us that R0>1 is bad.

wadacrack · 10-07-2020 08:16AM

This does not sound good at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyEBIpaIaM

MickeyLeari · 10-07-2020 08:17AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It can jump when you have a large rise in very low numbers. Nolan has also said it's difficult to predict with any level of accuracy at such low levels. The message from yesterday is be careful. Whatever sense we can make of R0 we've had it drilled into us that R0>1 is bad.

On RTÉ radio this morning. Saying the message is to be cautious. However, the full media response this morning has been massive panic.

spookwoman · 10-07-2020 08:18AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Looking at the detail behind yesterday’s figures while unwelcome I don’t see a huge cause for panic. Being mostly young people few will require medical attention which is the main flag. That said many will have parents and grandparents to pass it on to if they don’t isolate properly

And it's this line of thinking that is causing the R number to increase. F*ck sake just because young people are getting it does not mean they are not going to have long term damage done to their organs!

10000maniacs · 10-07-2020 08:18AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It can jump when you have a large rise in very low numbers. Nolan has also said it's difficult to predict with any level of accuracy at such low levels. The message from yesterday is be careful. Whatever sense we can make of R0 we've had it drilled into us that R0>1 is bad.

Only one in ten people have been tested in Ireland so far. Figures for transmission could be a lot higher than what is reported.

MickeyLeari · 10-07-2020 08:20AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Green list will simply be a list of countries where if you return to Ireland from you wont have to to self isolate for 14 days.

I am wondering who will be on this green list.

The response now from employers is a little worrying - what if you go to a green list country in good faith and then They are taken off the list a few days before you return.

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 08:22AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

On RTÉ radio this morning. Saying the message is to be cautious. However, the full media response this morning has been massive panic.

TBH I don't know who they think their target readers are, a 12 year old could follow most of the briefings. Bad news sells I guess but they are not doing us any proper public service with their generally woeful reporting of COVID-19.

LiquidZeb · 10-07-2020 08:24AM

wadacrack wrote: »

This does not sound good at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyEBIpaIaM

I'd put more faith in a daily mail or sun article than I would a YouTube video

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 08:25AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Only one in ten people have been tested in Ireland so far. Figures for transmission could be a lot higher than what is reported.

Serological tests elsewhere suggest that is not the case. We have enough to adjust to without obsessing about a rampant hidden virus, a scenario also not borne out by the evidence of other countries.

ZX7R · 10-07-2020 08:25AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I am wondering who will be on this green list.

The response now from employers is a little worrying - what if you go to a green list country in good faith and then They are taken off the list a few days before you return.

All ready been stated by government that if this happens you will be requested to qurantine for the two weeks.

MickeyLeari · 10-07-2020 08:27AM

is_that_so wrote: »

TBH I don't know who they think their target readers are, a 12 year old could follow most of the briefings. Bad news sells I guess but they are not doing us any proper public service with their generally woeful reporting of COVID-19.

I was being a little facetious yesterday about a 6 week shut down. But people were saying that yesterday in meetings - the fear factor is there.

I was out and about in town yesterday. Dame Lane was quiet, places were pleasant, it felt safe and many were wearing masks (with the notable exception of the feral teenagers on the Luas who were knocking lumps out of each other).

MickeyLeari · 10-07-2020 08:29AM

ZX7R wrote: »

All ready been stated by government that if this happens you will be requested to qurantine for the two weeks.

What quarantine is this? There is no quarantine and that is not Government Policy.

Plus - I think my key question is in respect to employees who will be put in a difficult position if advice changes when they are away.

YellowBucket · 10-07-2020 08:30AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Not to the Irish.

Spain is open to Irish visitors and has been since July 1st.

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 08:31AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I was being a little facetious yesterday about a 6 week shut down. But people were saying that yesterday in meetings - the fear factor is there.

I was out and about in town yesterday. Dame Lane was quiet, places were pleasant, it felt safe and many were wearing masks (with the notable exception of the feral teenagers on the Luas who were knocking lumps out of each other).

Fear should drive us not trap us. About 75% are expecting a second wave according to their market research. The next public health issue will be mental health.

spookwoman · 10-07-2020 08:36AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

What quarantine is this? There is no quarantine and that is not Government Policy.

Plus - I think my key question is in respect to employees who will be put in a difficult position if advice changes when they are away.

tbh the advice is not to make unnecessary journeys outside the country. if you leave the country on holiday and the situation changes that's not the employers fault. People need to take responsibility for their own decisions.

YellowBucket · 10-07-2020 08:46AM

As I’m understanding it, a high reproductive rate in a small number of cases is more indicative of a cluster being detected and contained.

The worrying scenario is if you’ve high R0 and a large number of community transmission cases, which is what happens when it runs wild, as it is currently doing in the USA and Brazil.

If we start to see an uptick in the number of new cases, that’s when I would start to become concerned about a second wave.

Ireland could easily become too complacent about this too. I’m seeing a lot of evidence of people saying things like “ah sure there’s no virus here” and so on.

We also can’t engage in exceptionalism if we’ve borders open to “hot zones” like direct flights from Dallas to Dublin for example.

I don’t think our airport measures are good enough. They’re relying far too much on people behaving sensibly and should be trying to target issues like testing or quarantine people (including Irish nationals) flying in from high risk places.

By not doing that we are just reducing the likelihood of being able to operate “business as usual” in Ireland and it’s of no advantage to us or to the incoming passengers to be too relaxed about this.

It still feels like we are afraid to offend, particularly the Americans, yet they didn’t think twice about banning us at a whim back in the early stages of the outbreak.

Also the CTA, particularly Boris and laissez faire herd immunity mentality in charge of the U.K. government at the moment doesn’t bode well.

Widdensushi · 10-07-2020 08:47AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Only one in ten people have been tested in Ireland so far. Figures for transmission could be a lot higher than what is reported.

I doubt if one in ten have been tested, health care workers etc have been tested multiple times. There waiting time was too long for tests so people that had the virus could have been recovered by the time they got the test so that doesn't give the full picture either.

ChelseaRentBoy · 10-07-2020 08:54AM

Roaring trade in Killarny yesterday with American tourists apparently.

Gruffalux · 10-07-2020 09:03AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was like that for a while in Vietnam. You had to give your details when buying anything that could reduce a fever.

Haha I thought it was a yokes were mediocre but the grass was great type of nightclub review thing

copeyhagen · 10-07-2020 09:04AM

spookwoman wrote: »

tbh the advice is not to make unnecessary journeys outside the country. if you leave the country on holiday and the situation changes that's not the employers fault. People need to take responsibility for their own decisions.

thats great, but whats your opinion on the govt letting in a constant flow of visitors to this Country? i see 5 airplanes from the US this morning, of about 200 airplanes landing today.

thats ok though is it? tell the Irish not to leave while letting everyone else in.

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 09:07AM

ZX7R wrote: »

All ready been stated by government that if this happens you will be requested to qurantine for the two weeks.

Requested lol!
It should be mandatory and enforced.
When I say mandatory I mean more mandatory than how mandatory it is to wear a mask on public transport.
Which turns out isn’t really mandatory, it kinda is but isn’t really.

spookwoman · 10-07-2020 09:07AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

thats great, but whats your opinion on the govt letting in a constant flow of visitors to this Country? i see 5 airplanes from the US this morning, of about 200 aurplanes landing today.

thats ok though is it? tell the Irish not to leave while eltting everyone else in.

It's all about money. I don't agree with letting people in for holidays, especially the US but we don't have a government with a pair of balls to just say no.

mr zulu · 10-07-2020 09:08AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Roaring trade in Killarny yesterday with American tourists apparently.

More false news, I work in killarney, not a sign of American tourists only Irish holiday makers.

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 09:08AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

thats great, but whats your opinion on the govt letting in a constant flow of visitors to this Country? i see 5 airplanes from the US this morning, of about 200 airplanes landing today.

thats ok though is it? tell the Irish not to leave while letting everyone else in.

It’s an absolute disgrace tbh and politicians aren’t addressing it nor are the media asking the question, bar Sharon on last nights 9 o clock.

Igotadose · 10-07-2020 09:08AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

thats great, but whats your opinion on the govt letting in a constant flow of visitors to this Country? i see 5 airplanes from the US this morning, of about 200 airplanes landing today.

thats ok though is it? tell the Irish not to leave while letting everyone else in.

None of it has the force of law. It's a mass reliance on the 'kindness of strangers.' Well, guess what - lots of them aren't kind.

You can holiday all you want outside Ireland, if the country in question lets you in.

If we don't want people coming from overseas (with the exception of the UK) tell them no. And turn them around at airports. And if they get in somehow, back out you go.

Short of that, you're going to let the disease in.

is_that_so · 10-07-2020 09:09AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

thats great, but whats your opinion on the govt letting in a constant flow of visitors to this Country? i see 5 airplanes from the US this morning, of about 200 aurplanes landing today.

thats ok though is it? tell the Irish not to leave while eltting everyone else in.

There seems to be an assumption with airports that we will be back to March. Even in countries who have seen imported cases they have been small in number and we are far better able to deal with it now. Some of the suggestions are draconian and disproportionate to the actual risk.

giveitholly · 10-07-2020 09:10AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Roaring trade in Killarny yesterday with American tourists apparently.

Any link or reliable source for this apparent news?

tom1ie · 10-07-2020 09:10AM

is_that_so wrote: »

There seems to be an assumption with airports that we will be back to March. Even in countries who have seen imported cases they have been small in number and we are far better able to deal with it now. Some of the suggestions are draconian and disproportionate to the actual risk.

So what do you suggest? Continue to allow American tourists in (which goes against Eu advice btw) and hope they will quarantine?

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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