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Half-baked Republican Presidential Fruitcakes (and fellow confections)

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  • #4002
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    recedite wrote: »
    I am equating them, yes. The combination of holster design and user training means that an assailant can't snatch the gun without being shot dead first.

    This is silly. They clearly aren't the same, as an authorised person can't even shoot a gun while it is inside a safe, but they can if it's on their hip.
    And the combination of holster design and user training can mean nothing when an accident happens.
    recedite wrote: »
    They would not be certified safe if they were that easy to open.

    Why not? Do you know what the certification entails? The minimum required is a 2mm steel box with a five lever lock on it, its extremely cheap and light.

    Looking at gun laws in Florida, there is nothing about gun safes at all either. You seem to still be making stuff up.


  • #4003
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    I'd like to see you kicking your way through 2mm of steel :pac:


    Florida laws re private gun storage in the home are irrelevant to the proposal to allow designated staff access to guns in schools.


  • #4004
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/05/florida-teachers-carry-guns-classrooms-bill-catastrophic

    https://twitter.com/Bellanti2018/status/1123911856173789186

    I wonder: the first time a teacher shoots a student, how long will it be before the right-wing "the answer to gun violence is more guns!" geniuses suggest arming the students?


  • #4005
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    recedite wrote: »
    I'd like to see you kicking your way through 2mm of steel :pac:

    I said kick the door in, not kick through the steel. If you don't understand the difference, maybe you aren't informed to be making statements about the quality of safes?
    recedite wrote: »
    Florida laws re private gun storage in the home are irrelevant to the proposal to allow designated staff access to guns in schools.

    Gun storage in general is irrelevant to the proposal to allow teachers to carry guns in schools, yet you decided to make claims about gun safes being in schools as part of this proposal anyway. I was just giving supporting links to my claims and points, maybe you would like to do the same?


  • #4006
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    I said kick the door in, not kick through the steel. If you don't understand the difference, maybe you aren't informed to be making statements about the quality of safes?
    Oh right, so the door is made of cardboard is it?
    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    Gun storage in general is irrelevant to the proposal to allow teachers to carry guns in schools, yet you decided to make claims about gun safes being in schools as part of this proposal anyway. I was just giving supporting links to my claims and points, maybe you would like to do the same?
    I think you're just being obtuse at this stage. I'm not making any claims about the details of new Florida laws (which are still only at the proposal stage anyway).
    I made a comparison between the use of gun safes/cabinets in Ireland versus keeping a gun at home in a sock drawer in Florida, and that was to show that it's very easy to prevent guns falling into the hands of kids using simple regulations.

    If they eventually follow through on the designated gun access program in schools, then it is likely that there will be some such precautionary restrictions applied in the schools (for when those staff do not actually have the gun secured on their person). That's all I'm saying :)


  • #4007
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    recedite wrote: »
    Oh right, so the door is made of cardboard is it?

    No, 2mm steel, like my links say, Unlike your links, which don't exist. And yes, you can kick in a door like that because even if the boltwork was heavy duty (and it's not) the metal it's going into, in the frame and walls of the safe, is only 2mm steel and will bend very easy.
    recedite wrote: »
    I think you're just being obtuse at this stage. I'm not making any claims about the details of new Florida laws (which are still only at the proposal stage anyway).

    I'm sorry, what?:
    recedite wrote: »
    Guns in schools would be kept in purpose-made securely locked gun cabinets, not just in the sock drawer.

    So first you repeatedly made completely baseless claims and now you are trying to rewrite your posting history to pretend you didn't.
    recedite wrote: »
    If they eventually follow through on the designated gun access program in schools, then it is likely that there will be some such precautionary restrictions applied in the schools (for when those staff do not actually have the gun secured on their person). That's all I'm saying :)

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    If you would like a link, then take a look at the statute concerning the Guardian Program in Florida. This is the program that allows certain non-teachers to carry guns in schools, the statute that is currently being proposed to extend to teachers. Notice how there is nothing about gun safes? Because the idea is the Guardian carries the gun at all times.
    Before you post anything else that contradicts reality and history, please provide some sort of link to back you up? Because I'm kind a done posting with someone who just makes stuff up.


  • #4008
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    No, 2mm steel, like my links say, Unlike your links, which don't exist. And yes, you can kick in a door like that because even if the boltwork was heavy duty (and it's not) the metal it's going into, in the frame and walls of the safe, is only 2mm steel and will bend very easy.
    You can dent a steel box, but that still does not allow you to shoot the gun inside the box.

    If you would like a link, then take a look at the statute concerning the Guardian Program in Florida. This is the program that allows certain non-teachers to carry guns in schools, the statute that is currently being proposed to extend to teachers. Notice how there is nothing about gun safes? Because the idea is the Guardian carries the gun at all times.
    Before you post anything else that contradicts reality and history, please provide some sort of link to back you up? Because I'm kind a done posting with someone who just makes stuff up.
    "Certain non-teachers" ? Do you mean security personnel actively patrolling the grounds, perhaps even private campus police forces? Yes they would carry their guns.

    You're suggesting that this practice would simply be "extended" to indoor teaching staff without any modification. I'm saying I prefer to wait and see. I base my opinion on logic and an educated guess.
    For example, police officers working in an office environment don't necessarily carry guns, but they do have access to a range of guns securely stored somewhere in the police station.


  • #4009
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    recedite wrote: »
    You can dent a steel box, but that still does not allow you to shoot the gun inside the box.

    That's not what kick the door in means, when you kick it in, the safe is open allowing you access to the contents. You still have no idea what you are talking about.
    recedite wrote: »
    "Certain non-teachers" ? Do you mean security personnel actively patrolling the grounds, perhaps even private campus police forces? Yes they would carry their guns.

    You're suggesting that this practice would simply be "extended" to indoor teaching staff without any modification. I'm saying I prefer to wait and see. I base my opinion on logic and an educated guess.
    For example, police officers working in an office environment don't necessarily carry guns, but they do have access to a range of guns securely stored somewhere in the police station.

    Why are you asking what "certain non-teachers" mean? Did you not read my link or even google about the Guardian program?
    You are not working off of any logic - you are ignoring links which contradict you and not providing any evidence for your claims. You are just making stuff up.


  • #4010
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    recedite wrote: »
    You're suggesting that this practice would simply be "extended" to indoor teaching staff without any modification. I'm saying I prefer to wait and see. I base my opinion on logic and an educated guess.
    For example, police officers working in an office environment don't necessarily carry guns, but they do have access to a range of guns securely stored somewhere in the police station.

    I'll also wait and see, but I doubt that more guns is likely to have a positive outcome in reducing gun crime in this scenario on the basis that allowing regular citizens greater access to guns hasn't been a solution to gun crime in the broader context. Apparently, the best way of reducing gun crime is to reduce the number of guns. Who'da thunk it? ;)


  • #4011
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    On a related topic, here's Al Jazeera's looking into the NRA's well-stocked, and utterly cynical, media playbook:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/sell-massacre-nra-playbook-revealed-190325111828105.html


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  • #4012
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Last year, Conrad Black, the catholic newspaper mogul who ran Hollinger International which ran the the Daily Telegraph, the Jerusalem Post, the Chicago Sun-Times and many other newspapers, published a book entitled "Donald J Trump: A President Like No Other".

    Today, #45 pardoned Conrad Black for his past convictions for defrauding Hollinger's shareholders and for obstruction of justice, for which he served several years in prison:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48290529

    #45 also pardoned Patrick Nolan, a Republican who spent 26 months in prison years in prison after he was convicted on a charge of racketeering, for which he plead guilty.


  • #4013
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭Christy42


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48335316

    Half of Austria's cabinet is resigning (Andy from their far right party).

    Essentially they offered government contracts to the niece of an oligarch in exchange for her buying the controlling stake in a newspaper and directing them to publish biased stories.

    Essentially you get us elected and you get government contracts. Anyway the entire thing was a sting and they have been caught out.


  • #4014
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    A rather scary look into Farage's "Brexit Party" candidates running for election to the European Parliament:

    https://medium.com/@SJHolloway/this-is-everything-i-discovered-about-all-of-the-brexit-party-mep-candidates-2a59f8f850c5


  • #4015
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    robindch wrote: »
    A rather scary look into Farage's "Brexit Party" candidates running for election to the European Parliament:

    https://medium.com/@SJHolloway/this-is-everything-i-discovered-about-all-of-the-brexit-party-mep-candidates-2a59f8f850c5

    A rather odd and deeply disturbing mix

    Ultra conservative religious people who hate gay people and abortion and who want to profit from peopkle's misery and basic human requirements like water, with even one who thinks child porn is fine
    Claire Fox
    Claire Fox doesn’t think the government should ban people from watching child porn. Yeah, you heard me. She has defended Gary Glitter’s right to download child porn on a Radio 5 Live phone-in (link)


  • #4016
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    "Molecule of US Freedom"

    https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-authorizes-additional-lng-exports-freeport-lng
    Assistant Secretary for Fossil Energy, Steven Winberg wrote:
    I am pleased that the Department of Energy is doing what it can to promote an efficient regulatory system that allows for molecules of U.S. freedom to be exported to the world


  • #4017
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    PaddyPower not missing a moment

    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/06/05/paddy-power-donald-plaza-trump-lisseycasey-clare/

    D8SaSQ5XYAA7ZBZ-768x576.jpg

    https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1136211060057206785


  • #4018
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Ms O'Doherty and her fellow travellers shown up as the scum they really are

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=198daYFnDRY


    That being said, I think CH4 paying attention to them gives them (if only in their own minds) far too much credibility.


  • #4019
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    A conservative columnist for the Washington Times (not Post) refers to the good folks over in the Satanic Temple as "cockroaches". Most columnists would avoid the term "cockroaches" since its use by Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines in the run-up to the 1994 massacre of hundreds of thousands of Rwandan Tutsis by their fellow Hutu countrymen.

    Roll it there, Ms Chumley:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/22/americas-great-divide-peace-cross-versus-satanic-t/


  • #4020
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Odhinn wrote: »
    That being said, I think CH4 paying attention to them gives them (if only in their own minds) far too much credibility.

    Credibility? The first and only impression she gives is that of being mentally ill

    No trace of a coherent sentence never mind an argument.

    Scrap the cap!



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  • #4021
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Credibility? The first and only impression she gives is that of being mentally ill

    No trace of a coherent sentence never mind an argument.




    You're only saying that because the weaponised LED lights have warped your mind
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110537263&postcount=348


  • #4022
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Her cough might well get softened with this
    https://www.thejournal.ie/grimes-suing-odoherty-4700195-Jun2019/?utm_source=shortlink


  • #4023
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Three cheers for Grimy!

    latest?cb=20150523130350

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4024
    Walter Bishop
    Registered Users Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Walter Bishop


    Steve King, the IOWA GOP Rep., noted for his colourful, some would say fascist, tendencies, has a nice patriotic re-tweet for July 4th...

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  • #4025
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Can Steve King handle the truth?


  • #4026
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    I see that Tommy Robinson / Stephen Yaxley-Lennon got jailed today for nine months; https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/11/tommy-robinson-given-nine-month-jail-term-for-contempt-of-court


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  • #4027
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Do like the t-shirt though

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  • #4028
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    smacl wrote: »
    I see that Tommy Robinson / Stephen Yaxley-Lennon got jailed today for nine months
    Not only that, but poor little Tommeh/Stephen has had enough of English law and now wants to become a refugee himself:

    https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1148498029533630464


  • #4029
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm sure there's a nice camp near the Rio Grande that could find a spot for him.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4030
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    robindch wrote: »
    Not only that, but poor little Tommeh/Stephen has had enough of English law and now wants to become a refugee himself

    Don't know why he's panicking, no doubt there will be a place for him in Boris's new government.


  • #4031
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    smacl wrote: »
    Don't know why he's panicking, no doubt there will be a place for him in Boris's new government.




    ...in the Foreign office, no doubt.


    Meanwhile, Gemma is stating that the whole Tuam babies incident is a hoax.
    https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1150695458509086721


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  • #4032
    mikhail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Meanwhile, Gemma is stating that the whole Tuam babies incident is a hoax.
    What a vile position to adopt. Sad that there are people who'll swallow it in desperation to excuse that sordid facet of their religious institutions.


  • #4033
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Her accounts on youtube have been closed, by reason of "hate speech". She's at the door of google whinging



    https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1151166667776561154


  • #4034
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    "Tommy Robinson's former camerawoman Lucy Brown accuses Robinson and his associates of spending thousands they've received in donations on cocaine."
    https://mobile.twitter.com/libcomorg/status/1153632537627058178?fbclid=IwAR3yVGQGBYji1P6pL91yAs-7ICDdbynSnosHs7PpeRURjqqyZ8ycQpFAQyE


  • #4035
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Speaking for God, Pat Robertson announces that #45 "is in great danger of losing the mandate of Heaven" if he abandons the Kurds to any upcoming Turkish invasion of Syria. God was likewise silent regarding all of of #45's previous activities too.

    https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1181258801455996934


  • #4036
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    As an aside. "Mandate of Heaven": Isn't it a wonderful way to make your opinion on stuff seem far more important - suddenly it's not just your own thoughts, you get to decide who "Heaven" is rooting for too.

    How did we not see long ago what a scam this whole religion carry-on was?

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • #4037
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    volchitsa wrote: »
    As an aside. "Mandate of Heaven": Isn't it a wonderful way to make your opinion on stuff seem far more important - suddenly it's not just your own thoughts, you get to decide who "Heaven" is rooting for too.

    How did we not see long ago what a scam this whole religion carry-on was?

    Seems like Pat Robertson is confusing the wanna be American emperor with a Chinese one.


  • #4038
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    How do you get informed you have the "mandate of heaven" in the first place? Phonecall? E-mail? Skype? burning bush?


  • #4039
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Odhinn wrote: »
    How do you get informed you have the "mandate of heaven" in the first place? Phonecall? E-mail? Skype? burning bush?
    Pat Robertson tells you.


  • #4040
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


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    LOL

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4041
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Nowadays we call this the electoral cycle. It rotates rather more quickly than the dynastic cycle, but it's basically the same thing.


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  • #4042
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Seems the campaign to re-elect the president (which in the Nixon era went by the wonderful acronym of CREEP) has a neo-Nazi running its social media.

    The incumbent President of the United States of America ran now-banned Facebook ads loaded with Nazi references
    Facebook has removed online ads and posts by President Trump's reelection campaign for violating its rules prohibiting "organized hate," a step the ad biz has been reluctant to take.

    The ads, which are said to have been circulating on Facebook since June 3, 2020, claimed that dangerous mobs of left-wing groups are running riot, and urged ad viewers to add their names to a marketing list and donate money to the Trump campaign.

    According to Media Matters, the ads were revised on June 17, 2020, to include a red triangle symbol that was used by the Nazis to identify political prisoners in concentration camps. The watchdog group says the Trump campaign ran 88 of these ads yesterday.

    The Anti-Defamation League identifies 88 as a hate symbol. It's used to refer to the eighth letter of the Latin alphabet, "H," which repeated twice can stand for "Heil Hitler." What's more, the first sentence in these ads is 14 words, also a white supremacist dogwhistle. Quite a coincidence it seems.

    If Facebook is removing it, it must be bad...

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4043
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Yesterday, the US Treasury Department released the names + addresses of the businesses to whom they have lent cash under the Paycheck Protection Program, part of the US's attempt to keep the economy afloat during covid. There are 661,000 companies which received more than $150,000 and heaven only knows how many which received less than $150k.

    CNBC looked at the list which threw up some interesting titbits:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/06/coronavirus-stimulus-list-of-ppp-small-business-loan-recipients-released.html

    In the $150+ bracket, there are over 500 organizations listed which contain 'god' in their name, 1100 containing 'jew', 1400 baptist, 2200 catholic and over nine thousand 'church'(es). Even the Ayn Rand Institute was not exempt from government generosity - choosing to accept a loan somewhere in the range $350,000 to $1,000,000.

    The full data is available as a zipfile and probably contains enough information to keep data scientists busy for years to come:

    https://sba.app.box.com/s/tvb0v5i57oa8gc6b5dcm9cyw7y2ms6pp


  • #4044
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Interesting that religious organisations can be classified as businesses when it comes to handouts, but charities when it comes to paying taxes

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4045
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Interesting that religious organisations can be classified as businesses when it comes to handouts, but charities when it comes to paying taxes

    Or that Libertarians aren't adverse to big government giving them a hand out.


  • #4046
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Interesting that religious organisations can be classified as businesses when it comes to handouts, but charities when it comes to paying taxes
    Not that interesting, unless you assume that "charity" and "business" are mutually exclusive categories. A brief acquaintance with reality will disabuse you of that notion.

    Religiously-motivated undertakings that employ people qualify for loans under the Paycheck Protection Program on exactly the same conditions and criteria as apply to undertakings not so motivated. The principles of secularity require this, surely? Similarly, not-for-profit employers qualify on the same terms as for-profit employers. It would be much more interesting if that were not the case.


  • #4047
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    The principles of secularity require this, surely?

    And why doesn't the principle of secularity apply when it comes to taxes?

    Then they hide behind religion.


  • #4048
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    And why doesn't the principle of secularity apply when it comes to taxes?

    Then they hide behind religion.
    It does. Churches get the same tax treatment, by and large, as other non-profits.


  • #4049
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    It does. Churches get the same tax treatment, by and large, as other non-profits.

    Though not other non-prophets... ;)


  • #4050
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    It does. Churches get the same tax treatment, by and large, as other non-profits.

    Which doesn't address the issue of why promotion of religion is seen as a charitable purpose in itself.

    Scrap the cap!



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  • #4051
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Which doesn't address the issue of why promotion of religion is seen as a charitable purpose in itself.
    True. But it's a bit of a red herring; if abandon the idea of the state decreeing what is and is not charitable and switch instead to a US-type system of taxing undertakings according to the religion-neutral criterion of whether they are for-profit or not-for-profit, you get a very similar outcome.

    The only way to tax churches but not other not-for-profit enterprises is to impose a special tax on churches, as churches. Which of course those who advocate a secular state could not countenance for an instant.


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