Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

CruelSummer · 03-07-2020 10:08PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

I find it hilarious that someone who championed the idea of removing social distancing is now using it as the reason for the massive numbers in another part of the world implying it could have been prevented if they were more like us. You really can't make **** like this up

If you’re referring to me and looking for an argument, you can have it with yourself. I don’t agree with social distancing for children long term and I stand by that. It will destroy their social and emotional development. I think the Dept of Ed acknowledges this also as they’ve recommended measures from 3rd class upwards. This doesn’t change any of the facts I just mentioned re the US. Have a nice evening.

WhiteMemento9 · 03-07-2020 10:12PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

If you’re referring to me and looking for an argument, you can have it with yourself. I don’t agree with social distancing for children long term and I stand by that. It will destroy their social and emotional development. I think the Dept of Ed acknowledges this also as they’ve recommended measures from 3rd class upwards. This doesn’t change any of the facts I just mentioned re the US. Have a nice evening.

If you can't see the falacy in blaming the current sitiuation in parts of America on lack of social distancing while not so long back you were championing the removing of it here then I don't know what to say. That post was not just in relation to schools as you now seem to be claiming. Your posts are full of nothing but agenda driven bull****. You flip/flop in whatever direction best suits from you want to portray. The irony of someone like you talking about context.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-07-2020 10:21PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No lie Kermit, I don't lie or feel the need to do so. Your posts are still available from today. On one of your posts you said you don't need context. Unfortunately you actuallyt do, ie are the cases community based or a cluster. As I said you were challenged by several posters on your behaviour and threw in my opinion what amounted to a hissy fit.
Btw pointing out your unwillingness to provide context is dealing with your posts. Anyone can trawl the internet looking for the worst case scenarios easily done tbh. Providing context is the hard part which of course you avoid, in my opinion on purpose which denotes an agenda to me.

All the context required is always given. I can't help you or the associated small clique beyond that.

P.S *use the ignore button, it's what it's there for*, you don't have to suffer in silence reading my posts.

You could set up a support group among yourselves like Alcoholics Anonymous or something...

"Hi, my name is plumbthedepths, this is my first meeting and I have been traumatised by Kermit's posts since this thing started..."

stephenjmcd · 03-07-2020 10:22PM

HSE Operations update just out.

As of 18:30 , 10 covid paitents in ICU, 6 ventilated. Same number of patients but 1 less on ventilator.

As of 8pm 19 covid paitents in general beds, down 1 from yesterday.

The Mater has 4 paitents in general beds, other hospitals all at 2s and 1s

CruelSummer · 03-07-2020 10:23PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

If you can't see the falacy in blaming the current sitiuation in parts of America on lack of social distancing while not so long back you were championing the removing of it here then I don't know what to say. That post was not just in relation to schools as you now seem to be claiming. Your posts are full of nothing but agenda driven bull****. You flip/flop in whatever direction best suits from you want to portray. The irony of someone like you talking about context.

I’m not going to engage with someone like you. You’re completely misrepresenting anything I’ve said previously but you don’t care as you just want start and argument.

WhiteMemento9 · 03-07-2020 10:29PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’m not going to engage with someone like you. You’re completely misrepresenting anything I’ve said previously but you don’t care as you just want start and argument.

I am just trying to add some context :pac:

SeaBreezes · 03-07-2020 10:29PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah I've been back a few weeks now thanks for asking. The course is still going ahead thank God and things are more or less back to normal. I hope everything's alright with yourself. I feel embarrassed over my outburst back in April it just kind of boiled over and I made an ass of myself. Thanks a lot for .checking in and I hope you're doing well.

Not at all it was anxious times for everyone. Glad all worked out ok in the end

blackcard · 03-07-2020 10:30PM

Can someone explain the anomaly between Ireland having the 25th highest number of cases per million population (and will probably end up being much lower) yet having the 11th highest death rate per million population?

DevilsHaircut · 03-07-2020 10:31PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Hasn't the Winter/Summer/weather thing been completely discounted as to having an effect on the virus?

For example, Australia are in their Winter and no surges there

Environmental conditions (weather) is one factor that influences transmission. That doesn't mean it overrides all of the other factors.

Australia and New Zealand's success is the result of rigorous testing/quarantining/local lockdowns/strict enforcement (as well as geographical advantages).

And there has been a surge in Australia, such that fines have been introduced for those breaching local lockdown.

A contributory factor to the rise in some US states in summer may be air-conditioning, as people are more likely to be inside.

High temperature, humidity and ultraviolet light have all been shown to inhibit transmission.

https://twitter.com/retweetnews2019/status/1278169513545142273

Jim_Hodge · 03-07-2020 10:34PM

blackcard wrote: »

Can someone explain the anomaly between Ireland having the 25th highest number of cases per million population (and will probably end up being much lower) yet having the 11th highest death rate per million population?

We were recording every Covid related death in all locations, plus probable cases. Other countries are only counting hospital deaths and attributing deaths to other causes, like pneumonia.

Gruffalux · 03-07-2020 10:35PM

Ah I remember the old days when mean and median used to be the disputed words of the day. Now it's context.

Jim_Hodge · 03-07-2020 10:35PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Ah I remember the old days when mean and median used to be the disputed words of the day. Now it's context.

There has to be something for them to argue about.

petes · 03-07-2020 10:41PM

It's moreso the posts with no context given despite the poster saying there is. It's baffling.

DevilsHaircut · 03-07-2020 10:45PM

Arghus wrote: »

I don't agree that so little value was placed on the lives on the elderly.

If concerted effort wasn't made to suppress the virus in the community do you think the death toll amongst the elderly would have been higher or lower?

Your concern for the elderly and your desire to downplay the "negativity" regarding the virus kinda sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Exactly.

Another tactic is 'what about the [non-existent] additional suicides?'.

And 'what about the [I never gave a toss about this before] delay in restarting cancer screening programmes [despite the fact that anyone with symptoms has constantly been encouraged to seek help]?'

The main reason that non-Covid hospital attendance dropped from March onwards was that people were scared of going to hospital, not because they were being refused diagnoses or treatment.

WhiteMemento9 · 03-07-2020 10:46PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

There has to be something for them to argue about.

Listen Jim, take your cute avatar and sensible posts to another thread. This is no place for either.

ShineOn7 · 03-07-2020 10:51PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

We were recording every Covid related death in all locations, plus probable cases. Other countries are only counting hospital deaths and attributing deaths to other causes, like pneumonia.

This needs to be put on Billboards

LiquidZeb · 03-07-2020 10:52PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Exactly.

Another tactic is 'what about the [non-existent] additional suicides?'.

And 'what about the [I never gave a toss about this before] delay in restarting cancer screening programmes [despite the fact that anyone with symptoms has constantly been encouraged to seek help]?'

The main reason that non-Covid hospital attendance dropped from March onwards was that people were scared of going to hospital, not because they were being refused diagnoses or treatment.

Whatever the reason the fact that people who needed treatment were avoiding hospitals is catastrophic. And also I wouldn't speak to soon on the suicide situation considering the economic issues this'll cause once the government have to pull the plug on subsidies.

03-07-2020 10:52PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Firstly, I don't have an agenda.

Secondly, perhaps you might consider more time on posts rather than posters? :rolleyes:

Kermit.de.frog · 03-07-2020 10:53PM

racist :P

Arghus · 03-07-2020 10:58PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Ah I remember the old days when mean and median used to be the disputed words of the day. Now it's context.

To be fair, context is important when talking about figures. I'd never argue that context is a bad thing. Numbers on their own can often be - and usually are - open to misinterpretation.

In the relaxation of restrictions thread soundbites and figures are often thrown out willy nilly and the lack of objective context makes for a very frustrating thread to read through. So to ask for a bit of context from both sides of the debate is only fair IMO.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-07-2020 11:09PM

Arghus wrote: »

To be fair, context is important when talking about figures.

No one is going through every single case, when it happened, where it came from.

The fact is both Austria and Switzerland, as stated earlier, are in an upswing in overall cases. No single event in either explains that.

It's just a fact.

So there is no requirement for me or anyone else to write a thesis on house parties or church goers or marauding bats somewhere...

The context is just that.

Cases are increasing in those countries. Not complicated.

These posters don't care about context, they want happy talk all the time, or positive spin.

Water off a frogs back to me. :cool:

SeaBreezes · 03-07-2020 11:12PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Whatever the reason the fact that people who needed treatment were avoiding hospitals is catastrophic. And also I wouldn't speak to soon on the suicide situation considering the economic issues this'll cause once the government have to pull the plug on subsidies.

But they didnt? I am going to hospital for cancer screening issues. A month ago a friend had severe back/shoulder pain straight into A&E no wait, quick turnaround.

No drunken fights, less traffic, no accidents, no work related incidents, no sporting related injuries..

But unfortunately, COVID19 neurological issues CAN trigger depression/suicide ..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/01/coronavirus-autopsies-findings/

gizmo23 · 03-07-2020 11:18PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No one is going through every single case, when it happened, where it came from.

The fact is both Austria and Switzerland, as stated earlier, are in an upswing in overall cases. No single event in either explains that.

It's just a fact.

So there is no requirement for me or anyone else to write a thesis on house parties or church goers or marauding bats somewhere...

The context is just that.

Cases are increasing in those countries. Not complicated.

These posters don't care about context, they want happy talk all the time, or positive spin.

Water off a frogs back to me. :cool:

I would be one of the posters going on about the lack of context provided by you and others.

You had a report stating australia announces its biggest case numbers since march .... yet australia does exactly like america and announces state by state when this was pointed out and the fact 5 of the 6 states had <10 active cases and it was Victoria upsurging not australia you said something along the lines of the " well that's a locals issue" ... yet when it suits your agenda with Austria and Switzerland up ticking in cases its "strap in" or "they will be overwhelmed".

You point blank refuse to talk about the positives like the fact australia handling it in winter... yet you will constantly talk about the negative.

With context you get balance and balance you get an understanding of the disease.

ACitizenErased · 03-07-2020 11:20PM

gizmo23 wrote: »

I would be one of the posters going on about the lack of context provided by you and others.

You had a report stating australia announces its biggest case numbers since march .... yet australia does exactly like america and announces state by state when this was pointed out and the fact 5 of the 6 states had <10 active cases and it was Victoria upsurging not australia you said something along the lines of the " well that's a locals issue" ... yet when it suits your agenda with Austria and Switzerland up ticking in cases its "strap in" or "they will be overwhelmed".

You point blank refuse to talk about the positives like the fact australia handling it in winter... yet you will constantly talk about the negative.

With context you get balance and balance you get an understanding of the disease.

it's like talking into an empty void and hearing nothing but "ahhhhhh i'm ignoring you", i wouldn't bother.

Jackman25 · 03-07-2020 11:26PM

IMO for some posters, the shorter the post the better and I am happy to have no context.

State X has Y gazillion cases

Meh. Scroll on.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-07-2020 11:34PM

gizmo23 wrote: »

You had a report stating australia announces its biggest case numbers since march

Which is 100% factual and correct.

Now hold on while I reach for the world's smallest violin

fr336 · 03-07-2020 11:36PM

I came on this thread about 2 hours ago and people were arguing. Log on again and it's the same. Got to admire the stamina!

Pubs reopening here in England tomorrow. It's already been dubbed "Pubageddon", ironically by those who are planning to pack the places out lol

Me? I'm off to find a man or woman who can cut hair.

gizmo23 · 03-07-2020 11:36PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

IMO for some posters, the shorter the post the better and I am happy to have no context.

Meh. Scroll on.

And that's completely your prerogative... but the argument is more about the lines after the statement.... which when challenged on ( and as a discussion board you would expect the majority of people to challenge you) such as the break down and it not appearing as bad as it was first reported he just shuts down with a nonsense response.

I don't like singling out anyone and in fact I find Kermit to give some good facts... but if your going to say "strap in" or some such comment then people will challenge you.

D.Q · 03-07-2020 11:40PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

'Away with the fairies' was hounded out of this thread because he/she lost his/her job a week earlier.

Funny that 'A citizen erased' didn't respond to posts commenting on his/her ability to post all day, every day (with stuff from Twitter)...and his/her attempts to become a de facto mod.

Huh

Kermit.de.frog · 03-07-2020 11:42PM

fr336 wrote: »

I came on this thread about 2 hours ago and people were arguing. Log on again and it's the same. Got to admire the stamina!

Pubs reopening here in England tomorrow. It's already been dubbed "Pubageddon", ironically by those who are planning to pack the places out lol

Me? I'm off to find a man or woman who can cut hair.

I don't think anyone expects much from England at this point to be fair.

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