How will schools be able to go back in September?

khalessi · 03-07-2020 12:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What I find interesting is that a secondary school teacher in their first year earns more than an intern doctor.

NOw compare them when that intern is a consultant takes about 15 years or so and teacher is more than likely stilll a teacher as very little promotional areas and the consultant earning way more than a teacher. Are you saying they should be equal??
Fantastic idea, roll on consultancy pay!!

03-07-2020 12:37PM

khalessi wrote: »

NOw compare them when that intern is a consultant takes about 15 years or so and teacher is more than likely stilll a teacher as very little promotional areas and the consultant earning way more than a teacher. Are you saying they should be equal??
Fantastic idea, roll on consultancy pay!!

Just an interesting note about contact hours and pay. I could only wish to have as much time off as teachers whilst receiving similar pay.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 12:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just an interesting note about contact hours and pay. I could only wish to have as much time off as teachers whilst receiving similar pay.

Yawn!!!!!! Yes finishing at half 2 in pub rest of day, sitting on arses during lockdown

Have you considered retraining, piss easy like the job

CAO take applications

Btw not similar pay as I see you ignored the consultant versus teacher reply

Rodin · 03-07-2020 12:41PM

khalessi wrote: »

NOw compare them when that intern is a consultant takes about 15 years or so and teacher is more than likely stilll a teacher as very little promotional areas and the consultant earning way more than a teacher. Are you saying they should be equal??
Fantastic idea, roll on consultancy pay!!

Consultants work evenings, weekends and the summer.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 12:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just an interesting note about contact hours and pay. I could only wish to have as much time off as teachers whilst receiving similar pay.

Very few professions get as much per hour as teachers.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 12:43PM

Rodin wrote: »

Very few professions get as much per hour as teachers.

As I said youo can retrain CAO accept applications from everyone who applies

Rodin · 03-07-2020 12:43PM

khalessi wrote: »

I want them to get off there arses and issue the guidelines they were supposed to issue a fortnight ago instead of wafting on about aspirations and bespoke solutions.

Well in our school see posts, 4285 and 4292 but I will repreint as it is obvious you dont keep up with the thread.
POst 4285

Well so far we will be working in bubbles.
Each class is its own bubble and the teachers stay at their own level.
Staffroom might remain closed for the moment.
Staff meetings done via zoom no large gatherings.
In the yard the children stick to their own bubble and demarcated area on yard. The only one to move between bubbles will be SET who will be in multiple bubbles.
SET groups cant be mixed each group from their own bubble. Gonna be interesting times.

In another school they are placing desks at the back with perspex surround should vunerable children wish to come to school wearing masks.

Post 4292
Well that is some of what we have come up with so far without guidance from Dept of Ed. McHugh has no idea and wouldnt know his arse from his elbow from what I've seen of Dept of Ed so far. They have been no help.

So schools and teachers are working on ideas for September but we also await guidance from Dept of Ed and chances are Simon Harris will be new Dept of Ed minister, see how that goes.

There will still be a form of social distancing regardless of McHugh. Children will be encouraged in my school to use one way system and stay on one side of corridor when moving around.

There is a question about PE equipment as it is shared, as it may need cleaning between groups. Same reason GAA not doing camoige camps in my area this year as cleanig equipment too difficult.

There is also a question on paintbrushes being shared as cleaning etc. My solution is to get each child to go to lidl or Aldi and buy set of paintbrushes and be responsible for them.

No Rental book this year to prevent germs. They have been cleaned and put into storage.

Lots of other areas to look into such as lining up in yard, collection, entering exiting schools every day. It doesnt matter what they do outside school gates there will still be some form of sd in these areas in school.

We are looking at other areas too but this is what we have managed without guildlines and on assumption we are reopening doors in August.

Oh yes and apart from that I was teaching up untill 30th June if thats ok

And I will be doing courses during the summer for professional development

Extending the school year/day length would be an option to reduce class size.

03-07-2020 12:43PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yawn!!!!!! Yes finishing at half 2 in pub rest of day, sitting on arses during lockdown

Have you considered retraining, piss easy like the job

CAO take applications

Btw not similar pay as I see you ignored the consultant versus teacher reply

Could teachers not instead of working more days work shift patterns in schools? So have school open 8am - 8pm with rolling shifts. That way, you would be more likely to keep your summer holidays?

khalessi · 03-07-2020 12:44PM

Rodin wrote: »

Extending the school year/day length would be an option to reduce class size.

Come join us if it is so good

khalessi · 03-07-2020 12:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Could teachers not instead of working more days work shift patterns in schools? So have school open 8am - 8pm with rolling shifts. That way, you would be more likely to keep your summer holidays?

Didnt know we were losing them

Looked at CAO yet?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 12:45PM

khalessi wrote: »

As I said youo can retrain CAO accept applications from everyone who applies

I'm happy with what I'm doing.

The issue with teachers isn't the terms and conditions per se, but that they feel so hard done by and aren't half thankful for what they have compared to other workers.

So many sectors of society have had to make drastic changes and quickly.
New ICUs have been built around the country but yet again we hear nonsense like schools wanting to remain closed.

Just get on with it.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 12:45PM

khalessi wrote: »

Come join us if it is so good

Couldn't be listenin' to ye...

khalessi · 03-07-2020 12:47PM

Rodin wrote: »

I'm happy with what I'm doing.

The issue with teachers isn't the terms and conditions per se, but that they feel so hard done by and aren't half thankful for what they have compared to other workers.

So many sectors of society have had to make drastic changes and quickly.
New ICUs have been built around the country but yet again we hear nonsense like schools wanting to remain closed.

Just get on with it.

Ahhh pet, is the fact that teachers want a safe environment for your kids or your relatives kids and themselves upsetting you, similar to what is privided in other professions?

DOnt be worrying it wil be all right.

03-07-2020 12:47PM

khalessi wrote: »

Didnt know we were losing them

Looked at CAO yet?

I don't understand why teachers are been so reasonable when other sectors of the public service (front line workers) bent over backwards to ensure they do their jobs properly.

I dunno, maybe going the extra mile is a flaw in my character.

As an aside, I do occasionally do some lecturing to third level students.

The Wordress · 03-07-2020 12:47PM

Rodin wrote: »

Very few professions get as much per hour as teachers.

If I was paid by the hour, I would be underpaid.

People do not see what teachers do outside of official teaching hours.

I started a brand new ASD class in September and every weekend up to Christmas, I was in the school every Saturday and Sunday working, planning, organising , doing paperwork and making resources. I was burnt out by Christmas and after I said I will only go in on a Sunday morning to afternoon. All the while, my husband didn't have to think about his work until Monday morning when he was actually there.

There is a lot to said said for a switch off point. Teaching does not have that.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 12:48PM

Rodin wrote: »

Couldn't be listenin' to ye...

And yet here you are.

Welcome!

Rodin · 03-07-2020 12:51PM

The Wordress wrote: »

If I was paid by the hour, I would be underpaid.

People do not see what teachers do outside of official teaching hours.

I started a brand new ASD class in September and every weekend up to Christmas, I was in the school every Saturday and Sunday working, planning, organising , doing paperwork and making resources. I was burnt out by Christmas and after I said I will only go in on a Sunday morning to afternoon. All the while, my husband didn't have to think about his work until Monday morning when he was actually there.

There is a lot to said said for a switch off point. Teaching does not have that.

EVERY professional works outside their actual contact hours
Many people work evening and weekends when not in their place of employment

Teaching doesn't have a switch off point? Two genuine questions...
How many weeks of annual leave a year.. answer honestly?
What are maximum hours of teaching contact?

History Queen · 03-07-2020 12:54PM

Rodin wrote: »

I'm happy with what I'm doing.

The issue with teachers isn't the terms and conditions per se, but that they feel so hard done by and aren't half thankful for what they have compared to other workers.

So many sectors of society have had to make drastic changes and quickly.
New ICUs have been built around the country but yet again we hear nonsense like schools wanting to remain closed.

Just get on with it.

Get on with what?

khalessi · 03-07-2020 12:55PM

Rodin wrote: »

EVERY professional works outside their actual contact hours
Many people work evening and weekends when not in their place of employment

Teaching doesn't have a switch off point? Two genuine questions...
How many weeks of annual leave a year.. answer honestly?
What are maximum hours of teaching contact?

If you just pointed out that every job work outside contact hours why are you looking for contact hours for teaching? Shouldnt matter then.

03-07-2020 12:59PM

khalessi wrote: »

If you just pointed out that every job work outside contact hours why are you looking for contact hours for teaching? Shouldnt matter then.

OK. I'll bite. I am contracted for 37.5 hours a week. During March and April, the least amount of hours I worked in week was 80 hours.

So what are the contact hours for teachers?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:00PM

khalessi wrote: »

If you just pointed out that every job work outside contact hours why are you looking for contact hours for teaching? Shouldnt matter then.

Because we can compare to contact hours for other jobs.

If you want to compare contact + non-contact hours in pretty much any professional job....

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:00PM

History Queen wrote: »

Get on with what?

Getting schools open for every pupil from September.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:03PM

Rodin wrote: »

Because we can compare to contact hours for other jobs.

If you want to compare contact + non-contact hours in pretty much any professional job....

But that is silly as first you just want to have a go at teachers and second you are discounting the work they bring home which all professions do according to you.

Mind you, that time I brought the patient home caused real problems:pac:

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:04PM

Rodin wrote: »

Getting schools open for every pupil from September.

Wouln't it be lovely lads if he had read the thread.:D

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:06PM

Rodin wrote: »

Getting schools open for every pupil from September.

That is literally what teachers want to do. Have you read the thread?

jrosen · 03-07-2020 01:07PM

Look there are lots of professions that work outside of their core hours on a regular basis. Some have the benefit of being paid and others do not.

There are also lots of professions who have had to drastically change how they operate in order to remain open. Schools are an essential service and its an absolute disgrace that there is no plan for September. The department should hand their head in shame.

The unions are representing their members. They are not acting alone.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:09PM

jrosen wrote: »

Look there are lots of professions that work outside of their core hours on a regular basis. Some have the benefit of being paid and others do not.

There are also lots of professions who have had to drastically change how they operate in order to remain open. Schools are an essential service and its an absolute disgrace that there is no plan for September. The department should hand their head in shame.

The unions are representing their members. They are not acting alone.

The unions job is to protect their members and ensuring like every profession that has reopened so far we have equal health and safety is what they are doing. Having seen how the Dept operate you shuold be glad they are trying to ensure the safety of the students too which they referred to a number of times yesterday as a duty of care to the students.

And yes the Dept should hang their head as they have let us down badly both parents and teachers.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:10PM

History Queen wrote: »

That is literally what teachers want to do. Have you read the thread?

By putting every obstacle in the way?

Schools in other countries already open two months ago and still two months to go until September.

What do the unions mean by 'Covid secure' anyway?

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:10PM

jrosen wrote: »

Look there are lots of professions that work outside of their core hours on a regular basis. Some have the benefit of being paid and others do not.

There are also lots of professions who have had to drastically change how they operate in order to remain open. Schools are an essential service and its an absolute disgrace that there is no plan for September. The department should hand their head in shame.

The unions are representing their members. They are not acting alone.

There were guidelines issued this week. These need to be discussed so that their implementation can be figured out.

Not sure what you mean by unions representing their members? That is what they are doing but I don't understand the context.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:11PM

Rodin wrote: »

By putting every obstacle in the way?

Schools in other countries already open two months ago and still two months to go until September.

What do the unions mean by 'Covid secure' anyway?

What obstacle did we put in the way? We didn't create Covid?!

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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