Deleted User wrote: » What I find interesting is that a secondary school teacher in their first year earns more than an intern doctor.
khalessi wrote: » NOw compare them when that intern is a consultant takes about 15 years or so and teacher is more than likely stilll a teacher as very little promotional areas and the consultant earning way more than a teacher. Are you saying they should be equal?? Fantastic idea, roll on consultancy pay!!
Deleted User wrote: » Just an interesting note about contact hours and pay. I could only wish to have as much time off as teachers whilst receiving similar pay.
Rodin wrote: » Very few professions get as much per hour as teachers.
khalessi wrote: » I want them to get off there arses and issue the guidelines they were supposed to issue a fortnight ago instead of wafting on about aspirations and bespoke solutions. Well in our school see posts, 4285 and 4292 but I will repreint as it is obvious you dont keep up with the thread. POst 4285 Well so far we will be working in bubbles. Each class is its own bubble and the teachers stay at their own level. Staffroom might remain closed for the moment. Staff meetings done via zoom no large gatherings. In the yard the children stick to their own bubble and demarcated area on yard. The only one to move between bubbles will be SET who will be in multiple bubbles. SET groups cant be mixed each group from their own bubble. Gonna be interesting times. In another school they are placing desks at the back with perspex surround should vunerable children wish to come to school wearing masks. Post 4292 Well that is some of what we have come up with so far without guidance from Dept of Ed. McHugh has no idea and wouldnt know his arse from his elbow from what I've seen of Dept of Ed so far. They have been no help. So schools and teachers are working on ideas for September but we also await guidance from Dept of Ed and chances are Simon Harris will be new Dept of Ed minister, see how that goes. There will still be a form of social distancing regardless of McHugh. Children will be encouraged in my school to use one way system and stay on one side of corridor when moving around. There is a question about PE equipment as it is shared, as it may need cleaning between groups. Same reason GAA not doing camoige camps in my area this year as cleanig equipment too difficult. There is also a question on paintbrushes being shared as cleaning etc. My solution is to get each child to go to lidl or Aldi and buy set of paintbrushes and be responsible for them. No Rental book this year to prevent germs. They have been cleaned and put into storage. Lots of other areas to look into such as lining up in yard, collection, entering exiting schools every day. It doesnt matter what they do outside school gates there will still be some form of sd in these areas in school. We are looking at other areas too but this is what we have managed without guildlines and on assumption we are reopening doors in August. Oh yes and apart from that I was teaching up untill 30th June if thats ok And I will be doing courses during the summer for professional development
khalessi wrote: » Yawn!!!!!! Yes finishing at half 2 in pub rest of day, sitting on arses during lockdown Have you considered retraining, piss easy like the job CAO take applications Btw not similar pay as I see you ignored the consultant versus teacher reply
Rodin wrote: » Extending the school year/day length would be an option to reduce class size.
Deleted User wrote: » Could teachers not instead of working more days work shift patterns in schools? So have school open 8am - 8pm with rolling shifts. That way, you would be more likely to keep your summer holidays?
khalessi wrote: » As I said youo can retrain CAO accept applications from everyone who applies
khalessi wrote: » Come join us if it is so good
Rodin wrote: » I'm happy with what I'm doing. The issue with teachers isn't the terms and conditions per se, but that they feel so hard done by and aren't half thankful for what they have compared to other workers. So many sectors of society have had to make drastic changes and quickly. New ICUs have been built around the country but yet again we hear nonsense like schools wanting to remain closed. Just get on with it.
khalessi wrote: » Didnt know we were losing them Looked at CAO yet?
Rodin wrote: » Couldn't be listenin' to ye...
The Wordress wrote: » If I was paid by the hour, I would be underpaid. People do not see what teachers do outside of official teaching hours. I started a brand new ASD class in September and every weekend up to Christmas, I was in the school every Saturday and Sunday working, planning, organising , doing paperwork and making resources. I was burnt out by Christmas and after I said I will only go in on a Sunday morning to afternoon. All the while, my husband didn't have to think about his work until Monday morning when he was actually there. There is a lot to said said for a switch off point. Teaching does not have that.
Rodin wrote: » EVERY professional works outside their actual contact hours Many people work evening and weekends when not in their place of employment Teaching doesn't have a switch off point? Two genuine questions... How many weeks of annual leave a year.. answer honestly? What are maximum hours of teaching contact?
khalessi wrote: » If you just pointed out that every job work outside contact hours why are you looking for contact hours for teaching? Shouldnt matter then.
History Queen wrote: » Get on with what?
Rodin wrote: » Because we can compare to contact hours for other jobs. If you want to compare contact + non-contact hours in pretty much any professional job....
Rodin wrote: » Getting schools open for every pupil from September.
jrosen wrote: » Look there are lots of professions that work outside of their core hours on a regular basis. Some have the benefit of being paid and others do not. There are also lots of professions who have had to drastically change how they operate in order to remain open. Schools are an essential service and its an absolute disgrace that there is no plan for September. The department should hand their head in shame. The unions are representing their members. They are not acting alone.
History Queen wrote: » That is literally what teachers want to do. Have you read the thread?
Rodin wrote: » By putting every obstacle in the way? Schools in other countries already open two months ago and still two months to go until September. What do the unions mean by 'Covid secure' anyway?
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