Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 27-06-2020 01:32PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Spanish and Greek beaches are packed?

I work with a lad from Palma, his family are in tourism.. they expect about to see about 15% of the volumes of previous years this year!

Are they really packed?

Nah. They're not really.

average_runner · 27-06-2020 02:03PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Wow. Could you please predict Euromillions numbers for next draw please? seeing how you and your friend are predicting health issues for next 6 months for him following an illness that he never had before in the past.

Because it's a respiratory virus and we have experience with that for years.

charlie14 · 27-06-2020 02:41PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So you are saying that when RTE report over 490,000 people have died with covid, that figure is overstated? True number of deaths is lower?

Wow, but arent you the one saying this is a highly deadly disease? Who else does it apart from Belgium? Jesus, Belgium figures cant be trusted, China figures cant be trusted, Belarus figures cant be trusted.... but you keep banging the drum this is a very deadly disease and very infectious disease?

I feel much better now. True number of deaths is lower. Charlie why didnt you post this before??

You really should at least attempt to read posts before replying with gibberish attempting to evade uncomfortable truths.
Belgium attributed practically all deaths during this period toCovid-19. Sweden only attribute Covid-19 deaths to those that tested positive before passing.

The matter your posts is so clearly scrambling to avoid.

You were attempting to compare Belgium to Sweden. A pears and apples comparison. If we are going to compare Sweden to others then only fair that it is on a like for like basis, geographically,socially and culturally.
Sweden`s Nordic neighbouring countries of Norway, Denmark and Finland fit all those criteria.

Norway, Denmark and Finland all used lockdown and have combined deaths from Covid-19 of 1,172.
Sweden who did not use lockdown have 5,280 deaths from Covid-19.
Norway, Denmark and Finland have a combined population of 16 million. Sweden`s population is 10 million.

To save you doing the maths, Sweden`s deaths are 7 times greater than their three Nordic neighbours who used lockdown.

is_that_so · 27-06-2020 02:58PM

acequion wrote: »

Would you care to tell us which hotel or provide a link so we can check prices ourselves?

I'm just curious because I know that prices in my local region here in Kerry are rip off high. Not that I've any intention of staycationing. Not a hope would I staycation in this kind of weather. But I often do hotel breaks off season when weather is often much better so I'm genuinely as to where you got this deal?

What's the ball park of rip off prices?

charlie14 · 27-06-2020 03:04PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I got no response on this

Is covid worldwide death figure overstated due to Belgian shenanigans? How many other countries do this overstating covid death number? And then you wonder why people dont wear masks or treat covid seriously?

Apologies for keeping you waiting.

See above and locking forward to your reply.

s1ippy · 27-06-2020 03:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s not necessarily wanting to return to normality though, it’s more wanting others to come back to reality.

We live in a country now were the government are paying lots of people 350 euro a week. The banks are obliged to give everyone a pay break on their mortgages and loans. Businesses are dropping like flies. Hospitals are half empty. Dublin City centre is deserted in the evenings.

What are we doing about it? Screaming at people over some hand sanitizer in a county with no Covid cases.. All of these restrictions should be gone at this point. And that includes things like stupid time limits in pubs.

And yet, despite the fact that we’re afraid to open our own pubs, it seems like we’re fairly eager to allow flights to start coming back in.

Sense and a return to reality are very much needed.

What age are you, genuinely, that you lack the empathy to see that reality is different for everyone? Your inability to relate to others is pathetic.

27-06-2020 03:48PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I wasnt attacking you, I was pointing out complete lack of solidarity you show to a poster and his company of 14 who are letting go 10 of their staff, casual 70% workforce being cut, with your "yeah, you guys were gonna lose your job anyways because of worldwide recession". This reeks of "oh that business had high rent, it was going out of business anyways nonsense that you posted in the past.

And that in bold - really? No wonder you are all happy seal clapping, "Things are bad abroad, so small engineering firms in Ireland will suffer anyway. It has nothing to do with NPHET and Tony and Co telling us to go into lockdown to flatten the curve, only to keep us in lockdown for 6-8 weeks after the curve has been flattened, destroying our economy and SMEs in the process, engineering industry or otherwise." :rolleyes:

I have experienced it first hand as dozens of contractors where I work have been let go, some of whom I have worked with for years so fully understand the impact on people. It is as a result of the global situation however as the business my company is in is completely insulated from any economic hit in Ireland, and are still experiencing strong sales. My anger is towards the likes of these multinational companies who have strong, continually viable businesses who rather that show solidarity with their employees and the communities in which they are based, instead retreat into shareholder protection mode. These are the real villains, and as soon as personal and economic situation allows I will be looking to move to some employer that behaved more honourably during this mess.

TaurenDruid · 27-06-2020 03:59PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

and Ireland? we are being asked to do a staycation and spend 400-500 euros per night in some shabby BnB on west coast of Ireland to help save jobs......

Yeah, exaggeration and hyperbole will totally convince me of the strength of your arguments. Not.

Three nights in an excellently rated BnB on the west coast booked here, bank holiday weekend, less than 400 quid. Can't wait!

polesheep · 27-06-2020 04:24PM

s1ippy wrote: »

What age are you, genuinely, that you lack the empathy to see that reality is different for everyone? Your inability to relate to others is pathetic.

Pot meet kettle. It seems you can only see the world from your own vulnerable position.

GocRh · 27-06-2020 04:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

My anger is towards the likes of these multinational companies who have strong, continually viable businesses who rather that show solidarity with their employees and the communities in which they are based, instead retreat into shareholder protection mode.

And will shamelessly apply for all sorts of state subsidies (read free money) available.
IKEA was decent enough to return state subsidies in Europe once their sales figures proved to be better than expect. Quite rare attitude in the corporate world.

CalamariFritti · 27-06-2020 05:46PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Yeah, exaggeration and hyperbole will totally convince me of the strength of your arguments. Not.

Three nights in an excellently rated BnB on the west coast booked here, bank holiday weekend, less than 400 quid. Can't wait!

Is that considered good? Well over €100 for a night B&B? Just wondering, I have no experience of West of Ireland prices in season. It doesn't sound super low to me though.

Goldengirl · 27-06-2020 06:02PM

prunudo wrote: »

Seems like its going to effect all parts of the economy so, very uncertain times ahead.

Regarding sanitising at every shop. I can see where the poster is coming from, yes the salesperson didn't know how many times they'd washed their hands but in retail pleasantries and manners go a long way. I entered a chemist and encountered a similar response, I genuinely didn't see the sanitiser stand and was preoccupied with where I was supposed to be going. To be met with a harsh barking order isn't great customer service.
I just laughed it off but it struck as someone who was petrified of the virus so didn't loose any sleep over it.

Petrified of losing their job more like

FintanMcluskey · 27-06-2020 06:47PM

charlie14 wrote: »

You really should at least attempt to read posts before replying with gibberish attempting to evade uncomfortable truths.
Belgium attributed practically all deaths during this period toCovid-19. Sweden only attribute Covid-19 deaths to those that tested positive before passing.

The matter your posts is so clearly scrambling to avoid.

You were attempting to compare Belgium to Sweden. A pears and apples comparison. If we are going to compare Sweden to others then only fair that it is on a like for like basis, geographically,socially and culturally.
Sweden`s Nordic neighbouring countries of Norway, Denmark and Finland fit all those criteria.

Norway, Denmark and Finland all used lockdown and have combined deaths from Covid-19 of 1,172.
Sweden who did not use lockdown have 5,280 deaths from Covid-19.
Norway, Denmark and Finland have a combined population of 16 million. Sweden`s population is 10 million.

To save you doing the maths, Sweden`s deaths are 7 times greater than their three Nordic neighbours who used lockdown.

How much has Sweden's death rate increased by since January?

If a country normally would see perhaps 200-300 people die per day I imagine all those 5280 are surplus deaths

Elmer Blooker · 27-06-2020 06:54PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Yeah, exaggeration and hyperbole will totally convince me of the strength of your arguments. Not.

Three nights in an excellently rated BnB on the west coast booked here, bank holiday weekend, less than 400 quid. Can't wait!

Sounds great! A nice socially distanced meal in the evening followed by a socially distanced trad session in a socially distanced pub with the musicians socially distanced of course ....
I hope the good weather returns for your holiday.

Goldengirl · 27-06-2020 07:25PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Sounds great! A nice socially distanced meal in the evening followed by a socially distanced trad session in a socially distanced pub with the musicians socially distanced of course ....
I hope the good weather returns for your holiday.

Where you off to then, Elmer ?

charlie14 · 27-06-2020 07:28PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

How much has Sweden's death rate increased by since January?

If a country normally would see perhaps 200-300 people die per day I imagine all those 5280 are surplus deaths

Total deaths in Sweden 2019 were 88,766.

By 15th June 2020 they are 49,586.

It is not possible to make a direct comparison accurately until years end and Sweden declares the numbers who died from Covid-19.
Mathematically however on a 6 month basis, Sweden has exceeded last years total deaths by 5203 with 15 days still to go before the end of the 6 months.
Again mathematically With Sweden`s deaths averaging 240 a day, those 15 days would add another 3,600

TaurenDruid · 27-06-2020 07:53PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Is that considered good? Well over €100 for a night B&B? Just wondering, I have no experience of West of Ireland prices in season. It doesn't sound super low to me though.

Sorry, did I not mention that's for my partner and me. For two of us? Yeah, I'd call that good!

bucketybuck · 27-06-2020 07:56PM

€130 a night for a ****ing B+B! And you think that is a bargain!

People talk about staycations but we all know it will be a total ****ing rip off to go anywhere in ireland this summer.

charlie14 · 27-06-2020 07:57PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

For two of us? Yeah, I'd call it good.

Compared to normal Ireland West Coast prices beginning of July it`s a great price.
Some lovely creamy pints in the West. Enjoy.

beggars_bush · 27-06-2020 08:20PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

€130 a night for a ****ing B+B! And you think that is a bargain!

People talk about staycations but we all know it will be a total ****ing rip off to go anywhere in ireland this summer.

Don't let the begrudgery hit you on the way out

silverharp · 27-06-2020 09:53PM

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fr336 · 27-06-2020 09:58PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Wow. Could you please predict Euromillions numbers for next draw please? seeing how you and your friend are predicting health issues for next 6 months for him following an illness that he never had before in the past.

What a pathetic little post. Typical of the "positivity" crowd. We all like positivity, we all like our lives back to normal, we also like staying alive to live that life.

fr336 · 27-06-2020 10:01PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

€130 a night for a ****ing B+B! And you think that is a bargain!

People talk about staycations but we all know it will be a total ****ing rip off to go anywhere in ireland this summer.

Come to England, bed and covid fully included.

acequion · 28-06-2020 12:10AM

is_that_so wrote: »

What's the ball park of rip off prices?

About €120 per night per person sharing, no breakfast included. Meals out at usual Irish prices, which I think we all agree, are higher than a lot of places abroad.

I'd consider that rip off. Two people away for a week at those prices. Do the maths and see if you think that's a good deal!

28-06-2020 09:44AM

s1ippy wrote: »

What age are you, genuinely, that you lack the empathy to see that reality is different for everyone? Your inability to relate to others is pathetic.

If you ask me, the most selfish people are the ones that are prepared to tank the economy and add billions of debt onto our kids and sacrifice the kids educations so long as THEY don’t get Covid 19.

I won’t even mention how messed up it is that millions die each year from hunger and it goes largely ignored. Half a million die from Covid and we’ll stop at nothing to get rid of it.

Maybe take a minute to consider your own actions?

Penfailed · 28-06-2020 10:06AM

acequion wrote: »

About €120 per night per person sharing, no breakfast included. Meals out at usual Irish prices, which I think we all agree, are higher than a lot of places abroad.

I'd consider that rip off. Two people away for a week at those prices. Do the maths and see if you think that's a good deal!

Everything...absolutely everything is more expensive in Ireland. In saying that, wages are generally better and social security is better which off-sets the expense. Taking that into account, it's not a rip off.

GocRh · 28-06-2020 10:16AM

'No commitment yet for when list of countries people can travel to without quarantining will be published'

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/no-commitment-yet-for-when-list-of-countries-people-can-travel-to-without-quarantining-will-be-published-1007912.html

It seems that the 'new' govt will take their time and won't be making any decisions anytime soon.
In hindsight we're lucky that the economy is about to fully reopen, I feel that the roadmap wouldn't be accelerated under a new govt.

hmmm · 28-06-2020 10:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you ask me, the most selfish people are the ones that are prepared to tank the economy and add billions of debt onto our kids and sacrifice the kids educations so long as THEY don’t get Covid 19.

Maybe take a minute to consider your own actions?

You're creating a false choice in your head. The economy can't recover until the virus is under control - it's not an either/or choice.

You might be friends with people who will go to restaurants/bars/nightclubs etc. and don't care about catching the virus, but most people do care. And they won't return to these places until they feel safe - that the virus is being suppressed in the community, and that the places they are going to are taking precautions.

The best thing that the Covid-deniers can do for businesses is stop denying Covid is a risk, and start doing simple things like wearing masks and keeping your distance to give others a bit of comfort.

28-06-2020 11:43AM

hmmm wrote: »

You're creating a false choice in your head. The economy can't recover until the virus is under control - it's not an either/or choice.

You might be friends with people who will go to restaurants/bars/nightclubs etc. and don't care about catching the virus, but most people do care. And they won't return to these places until they feel safe - that the virus is being suppressed in the community, and that the places they are going to are taking precautions.

The best thing that the Covid-deniers can do for businesses is stop denying Covid is a risk, and start doing simple things like wearing masks and keeping your distance to give others a bit of comfort.

I disagree. Life goes on despite all the many threats we face on a daily basis - flu, pneumonia, cancer, COPD, dementia, car crashes, accidents, hunger etc etc.

Covid 19 is just 1 more illness to add to the list.

At the moment, we have structures in place were people can avoid the risk of catching Covid by staying in and collecting 350 a week while not paying their mortgage.

These kind of structures are completely unsustainable even in the short term. That’s the real reason restrictions are starting to get lifted and Tony is now saying we won’t have another lockdown.

Eventually, if people want to buy a property or keep their property, they’ll have to accept the risk and get out there to earn a living.

Eventually, more and more people will realise that living is more fun than hoping not to die.

For now, people are not dealing with these realities. They will be forced to eventually.

The alternative is that everyone can remain afraid of Covid and just not bother working/living, hoping that a vaccine will come. Society will eventually begin to crumble.

ChelseaRentBoy · 28-06-2020 11:55AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

€130 a night for a ****ing B+B! And you think that is a bargain!

People talk about staycations but we all know it will be a total ****ing rip off to go anywhere in ireland this summer.

I don't consider staying in Ireland going on holidays. High prices, crap food, crap weather and the drink as much as you can culture make it unbearable.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings