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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6362
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Moronic is appropriate for you and essential is presumably used ironically for the type of work you do.


    You have no idea of type of work I do, and surprising as it may seem to you, I do not feel any overwhelming desire to enlighten you. Other than it is far removed from sitting behind a perspex screen dealing with non-contact payments.


    Thank you all the same.Your post is a perfect example of the uncivil attitude of a sector of our society that I was referring too.


  • #6363
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    skelly22 wrote: »
    Can't say I've seen any of that to be honest. Although house parties could easily become the new norm if a trip to the pub remains about as appealing as getting slapped across the face with a wet salmon.


    If people wish to have house parties rather than going to the pub and follow the regulations, the best of luck to them.
    If one or more of them have this virus and infect others at a house party it will make contact tracing much easier than if they did so in a crowded pub.


  • #6364
    acequion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭acequion


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its hysteria mixed with doomsday day fantasies.

    I firmly believe some loved the lockdown and the enforced distance from loved ones.


    Bizzare stuff.

    Whats even more bizzare is that quarantining those healthy enough not to be at risk from Covid is seen as necessary.

    Of course only after exposing those in care homes who are most vulnerable.

    Of course they loved the lockdown. And they are really loving the imposition of draconian restrictions on people, loving the joylessness of it all and accusing the rest of us of exaggerating when we express our dismay.

    A disdain for people's spontaneity and for natural exuberance is very evident in some posts here and a desire to stamp it out and control is an obvious subtext disguised in their supposed belief in the restrictions. I actually find it awful that there are so many people like that. And wow does it come out in anonymity here on the internet! They must be really miserable individuals.


  • #6365
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Mad scenes in Liverpool, its amazing how quickly covid has been forgotten

    https://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog/22524/12012566/chelsea-vs-man-city-live

    Fantastic scenes and great to see people out and about celebrating something special together and ignoring the fear-mongering.

    Hopefully we'll start to see something similar here shortly.


  • #6366
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its hysteria mixed with doomsday day fantasies.

    I firmly believe some loved the lockdown and the enforced distance from loved ones.


    Bizzare stuff.

    Whats even more bizzare is that quarantining those healthy enough not to be at risk from Covid is seen as necessary.

    Of course only after exposing those in care homes who are most vulnerable.


    What I find bizarre from your post is that you appear to believe that being health means you cannot be contaminated by this virus and thus spread it to others.
    That is the purpose of any quarantine. To prevent the spread of a disease.


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  • #6367
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    charlie14 wrote: »
    What I find bizarre from your post is that you appear to believe that being health means you cannot be contaminated by this virus and thus spread it to others.
    That is the purpose of any quarantine. To prevent the spread of a disease.

    Contaminated???? Even the language used by some is strikingly unsettling.

    Have you been contanimated by influenza before?


    Why on earth have we not locked ourselves up since the beginning of time to preserve life and prevent seasonal illness spreading?

    If Ireland never imposed a restriction on its citizen's, but, cancelled all other health treatments as they did ( and allowed citizens to die of a plethora of other causes) they still wouldn't have overwhelmed ICU departments.


  • #6368
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Contaminated???? Even the language used by some is strikingly unsettling.

    Have you been contanimated by influenza before?


    Why on earth have we not locked ourselves up since the beginning of time to preserve life and prevent seasonal illness spreading?

    If Ireland never imposed a restriction on its citizen's, but, cancelled all other health treatments as they did ( and allowed citizens to die of a plethora of other causes) they still wouldn't have overwhelmed ICU departments.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Fintan you need to show you are fearful, play along wink wink


  • #6369
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Contaminated???? Even the language used by some is strikingly unsettling.

    Textbook stuff, to control people, you first need to make them afraid. Then you tell them that you'll make them safe, sure they'll have to give up all kinds of democratic freedoms but it's a trade a lot of people are willing to make.

    The likes of George Lee and Tony Holohan have done the job of 'contaminating' people with the virus of fear and it's becoming clear that many will continue to live with that virus for a very long time.

    Of course most people don't like to admit to their own fears so they have appointed themselves as the great defenders of the grannys and granddads.

    It's all very depressing to see.


  • #6370
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Look at the end of the day people will do what they. Behave irresponsible during phase 3 and we will go back to phase 2.
    Doesn't bother me.

    There will also be more county lockdown next time around, Dublin could be in a long term one, wont bother rest of Ireland until they realise how much it will hammer their pockets.

    At the end of the day the ones to lose out the most will be 20-35 year olds, so if they behave badly they be the ones paying for it all of their lives.


  • #6371
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Contaminated???? Even the language used by some is strikingly unsettling.

    Have you been contanimated by influenza before?


    Why on earth have we not locked ourselves up since the beginning of time to preserve life and prevent seasonal illness spreading?

    If Ireland never imposed a restriction on its citizen's, but, cancelled all other health treatments as they did ( and allowed citizens to die of a plethora of other causes) they still wouldn't have overwhelmed ICU departments.


    I take it from that you are another of the "No lockdown and sure we will all be grand brigade".

    Perhaps you should take a look at some other countries who did that and see how well that is working out for them. Brazil and Sweden would be good places to start.
    Rather than make presumptions about the number of ICU beds we actually had in this country at the start of this epidemic, perhaps it might be better if you actually knew.

    From that it might also be an idea to put some thought into just how you continue carrying out all treatments and screenings in hospitals for people with suppressed immune systems while simultaneously treated patients with a virus they are highly susceptible to rather than just guesswork.


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  • #6372
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Next few months?

    I don’t suppose you know too many people between 18 and say 27?

    A lot of them want to socialise, drink, have a ride etc

    That’s still going to happen whether it’s in a pub or not. If the pub becomes lame, it could move to leisure plexes, house parties, knacker drinking in fields.

    But they’ll find a way to do what young people do. LIVE

    You can’t stop people from living.
    You can, you just give them a virus that makes their lungs fail.

    OK so if I'm caught up, today it's the people who adhere to the new guidelines when they're going about their business who are being antagonised. Moved on from the doom-mongers at least. I hope we have a go at the teachers later, they got their holidays today the pricks. Or maybe one specific retail worker. Just so long as there's an "us" and a "them" and we get to profess our self-righteousness.


  • #6373
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I take it from that you are another of the "No lockdown and sure we will all be grand brigade".

    Perhaps you should take a look at some other countries who did that and see how well that is working out for them. Brazil and Sweden would be good places to start.
    Rather than make presumptions about the number of ICU beds we actually had in this country at the start of this epidemic, perhaps it might be better if you actually knew.

    From that it might also be an idea to put some thought into just how you continue carrying out all treatments and screenings in hospitals for people with suppressed immune systems while simultaneously treated patients with a virus they are highly susceptible to rather than just guesswork.

    Sweden have preformed admirably - they have the same deaths per million population over 65 (approx 2600 per million) as Ireland


  • #6374
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    average_runner wrote: »
    Look at the end of the day people will do what they. Behave irresponsible during phase 3 and we will go back to phase 2.
    Doesn't bother me.

    There will also be more county lockdown next time around, Dublin could be in a long term one, wont bother rest of Ireland until they realise how much it will hammer their pockets.

    At the end of the day the ones to lose out the most will be 20-35 year olds, so if they behave badly they be the ones paying for it all of their lives.


    That is the reality. Some are just so hung up in their own agendas they cannot even bring themselves to even consider it.


  • #6375
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,886 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    s1ippy wrote: »
    You can, you just give them a virus that makes their lungs fail.

    OK so if I'm caught up, today it's the people who adhere to the new guidelines when they're going about their business who are being antagonised. Moved on from the doom-mongers at least. I hope we have a go at the teachers later, they got their holidays today the pricks. Or maybe one specific retail worker. Just so long as there's an "us" and a "them" and we get to profess our self-righteousness.

    No one forced anyone to work where they are. They all made that choice themselves.


  • #6376
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Sweden have preformed admirably - they have the same deaths per million population over 65- approx 2600.per million.


    Sadly from the no lockdown brigade that is a fairly common denominator. As long as it`s the over 65s that it`s killing. "What harm, sure I`m all right Jack".


  • #6377
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Sweden have preformed admirably
    LOL. This is a comedy thread at times.


  • #6378
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    hmmm wrote: »
    LOL. This is a comedy thread at times.


    Yeah that great no lockdown herd immunity success.


    50.5 deaths per 100,000 compared to Ireland with 35.4. New cases now daily exceeding 1,000, and the great reward for all that 6.1% nationally for antibodies,
    We really were such fools not to listen to the anti lockdown brigade and follow the Sweden strategy :rolleyes:


  • #6379
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    s1ippy wrote: »
    You can, you just give them a virus that makes their lungs fail.

    OK so if I'm caught up, today it's the people who adhere to the new guidelines when they're going about their business who are being antagonised. Moved on from the doom-mongers at least. I hope we have a go at the teachers later, they got their holidays today the pricks. Or maybe one specific retail worker. Just so long as there's an "us" and a "them" and we get to profess our self-righteousness.
    There's always an us and them and many who are convinced they are made of righteous stuff. Worry about yourself and leave them to it. At some point you do have to accept that they are human beings but that gets harder the longer they are viewed as pariahs.


  • #6380
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Irish_peppa wrote: »
    I would love to see the results of following in a test state thats seeing a COVID surge. With immediate effect wearing of face masks outside the home mandatory.
    I wonder what sort of an impact it would have on the growth of the virus
    I give you Peru, early restrictions including masks, but they got caught out by a range of cultural issues.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-53150808


    TBH there is no model state you can use anywhere. Differing cultures, level of exposure, speed of detection and infrastructure are not the same in any country.


  • #6381
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Sweden have preformed admirably - they have the same deaths per million population over 65 (approx 2600 per million) as Ireland

    Sweden have 2 times less deaths than Belgium. Belgium who, wait for it, went into lockdown.

    Nobody talks about Belgium, its a prime example of lockdown being ineffective.

    Nobody talks about most deaths occurring from nursing homes either, why? Whats the primary reason for people going into nursing homes? Well a quick search gives below

    "Elderly people often go into nursing homes because of the accumulation of multiple medical problems over time, resulting in frailty and dysfunctions in the ability to take care of themselves"

    70% + of deaths with covid in Ireland are from nursing homes. Is this sad? Yes. Yet some people here think that a person watching netflix at home will save hundreds of lives in nursing homes. 2 metre social distancing in your local cafe? Oh that will save hundreds of thousands of lives too :rolleyes:

    Have countries with 1 metre social distancing reported thousands of lives lost with covid after lifting restrictions?


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  • #6382
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Sweden have 2 times less deaths than Belgium. Belgium who, wait for it, went into lockdown.

    Nobody talks about Belgium, its a prime example of lockdown being ineffective.


    The world and its mother know at this stage Belgium over counted by attributing practically all its deaths to Covid-19.
    Sweden on the other hand only count those that test positive before they passed.
    If you are going to make comparisons why not like for like with Sweden`s neighbours that used lockdown, Norway, Finland and Denmark ?
    If you have forgotten the stats I can provide them for you if you wish.


  • #6383
    acequion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭acequion


    average_runner wrote: »
    Look at the end of the day people will do what they. Behave irresponsible during phase 3 and we will go back to phase 2.
    Doesn't bother me.

    There will also be more county lockdown next time around, Dublin could be in a long term one, wont bother rest of Ireland until they realise how much it will hammer their pockets.

    At the end of the day the ones to lose out the most will be 20-35 year olds, so if they behave badly they be the ones paying for it all of their lives.

    Jeez will you just step back and look at your choice of words! "Behave badly" What do you mean by "behave badly"? Depressingly I suspect that you mean the normal spontaneous behaviour of youth. Were you ever young? Did you ever "behave badly"? Thankfully nobody will ever stop natural tendencies and natural inclinations regardless how they try. So young people will always be young people. Also, people in that age group are adults and over 30 aren't spring chickens so the "behave badly" accusation is highly patronising.

    Yes we know there is a pandemic and we all know it's worrying but I really wish the high and mighty would quit judging and trying to control others.


  • #6384
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    charlie14 wrote: »
    The world and its mother know at this stage Belgium over counted by attributing practically all its deaths to Covid-19.
    Sweden on the other hand only count those that test positive before they passed.
    If you are going to make comparisons why not like for like with Sweden`s neighbours that used lockdown, Norway, Finland and Denmark ?
    If you have forgotten the stats I can provide them for you if you wish.

    So you are saying that when RTE report over 490,000 people have died with covid, that figure is overstated? True number of deaths is lower?

    Wow, but arent you the one saying this is a highly deadly disease? Who else does it apart from Belgium? Jesus, Belgium figures cant be trusted, China figures cant be trusted, Belarus figures cant be trusted.... but you keep banging the drum this is a very deadly disease and very infectious disease? :confused:

    I feel much better now. True number of deaths is lower. Charlie why didnt you post this before??


  • #6385
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    acequion wrote: »
    Jeez will you just step back and look at your choice of words! "Behave badly" What do you mean by "behave badly"? Depressingly I suspect that you mean the normal spontaneous behaviour of youth. Were you ever young? Did you ever "behave badly"? Thankfully nobody will ever stop natural tendencies and natural inclinations regardless how they try. So young people will always be young people. Also, people in that age group are adults and over 30 aren't spring chickens so the "behave badly" accusation is highly patronising.

    Yes we know there is a pandemic and we all know it's worrying but I really wish the high and mighty would quit judging and trying to control others.

    Some other poster posted "contaminated with covid" reference. People are truly losing the plot in this thread.


  • #6386
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Yeah, can totally see the bar staff coming over to the table "Erm, sirs I am going to have to ask you to take your business elsewhere" :rolleyes:

    Why wouldn't they when they have new a paying booking coming in who will be buying food + pints?


  • #6387
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Naos wrote: »
    Why wouldn't they when they have new a paying booking coming in who will be buying food + pints?

    You really think tables in pubs will be booked out Monday to Sunday, 90 mins then another 90 mins then another 90 minutes entire opening hours? That is very optimistic...


  • #6388
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    I think it is appropriate to pass on sympathy to those people who have lost their jobs this week. It must be a very stressful and uncertain time for them and their families.


  • #6389
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    I think it is appropriate to pass on sympathy to those people who have lost their jobs this week. It must be a very stressful and uncertain time for them and their families.

    Not just this week, for the last since 1st of May when that ridiculous 2 week extension was announced. "We go into lockdown to flatten the curve" we were told... get out. Flattened that curve 2nd week of May...... Everything happening since is just country bleeding economic activity that will take years to restore.


  • #6390
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Not just this week, for the last since 1st of May when that ridiculous 2 week extension was announced. "We go into lockdown to flatten the curve" we were told... get out. Flattened that curve 2nd week of May...... Everything happening since is just country bleeding economic activity that will take years to restore.

    Indeed not disagreeing with you.


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  • #6391
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,171 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Excuse me but that's just nonsense. I don't know how people ended up exaggerating this thing in their heads to the degree where its like an ultra contagious space alien virus but its not. Its like a bloody cold in terms of spread (and in most other terms also). You may get it if said person coughs or sneezes into your direction but to say just one infected simply sitting there will infect everyone is mega wild hyperbole. Its hysteric.

    How do you know that an unmasked asymptomatic traveller ear you is not going to infect you ? And I said NEAR. Which implies not sitting at a distance. That is the risk that unmasked travellers with the virus on public transport NEAR you pose .
    Your reaction is pure hysteria and hyperbole, not my post .


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