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  • #3782
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    polesheep wrote: »
    And where would a person who thinks like this stop?

    And where would someone like you start?

    Here's a comment that was on twitter... Someone going through cancer treatment asking you to wear a mask.

    I bet you still don't care.


  • #3783
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Why weren't we urged to wear them three months ago then?

    You can thank all the clowns in charge who did everything to avoid over 1700 dead peeps in 5 million population, great result isn't it. Plus you can thank all the cry babies complaining about restrictions and freedom, all the clowns saying I won't wear one, cuz I don't give a ... Anyway masks are not life saver on it's own, but we should put it together with all other important measures. Maybe country would be open much faster to avoid all other impacts. Yet we still arguing here on masks. Kills me, seriously. Any country who implemented them in early stage does far better. We'll be facing local outbreaks and spikes, as we can see in countries which eased up restrictions earlier, so to control and suppres them, masks should be implemented. Don't forget how easy health system can get fcked up here.


  • #3784
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    Simply recommending the use of masks has now clearly been shown to be insufficient, especially given earlier communications from health authorities that advised against mask use or left the matter to personal choice. If you look around the world, it seems the only way to do it in a country where masking is not a pre-existing cultural norm is to make them mandatory.


  • #3785
    Juwwi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    No one has an agenda to make masks mandatory forever. We're in a pandemic, masks help. And yes you do have a desire to infect others with your refusal to wear a mask.

    I wouldn't bother feeding the trolls , anti masks ,anti vaccines , anti government , anti RTE ,, there has been an influx of these posters most nearly all new members joined up since April /May with an agenda .


  • #3786
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    Juwwi wrote: »
    I wouldn't bother feeding the trolls , anti masks ,anti vaccines , anti government , anti RTE ,, there has been an influx of these posters most nearly all new members joined up since April /May with an agenda .

    There's no agenda, just protect each other. I don't want to catch it and you don't either, so both of us wearing a mask, we protect each other. I don't understand how that is now seen as an agenda.


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  • #3787
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    polesheep wrote: »
    I asked because I believe that there is an agenda with some people to make mask wearing mandatory in certain situations indefinitely. I have no desire to infect others.
    Genuinely curious about what you mean. What would the agenda be? Companies that sell masks pushing this to make more money if they’re mandatory? Something else?


  • #3788
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Did you wear a mask to protect others out of the kindness of your heart before covid?

    I'm going to pre-empt your reply as being no, so when there's a vaccine and its rolled out you'll keep wearing one to protect people from head colds ?

    I'm sorry but its impossible to take that seriously. When a suitable treatment and or vaccine is developed mask wearing won't be a thing

    I did when I was sick and coughing a lot in December. It was only for one day before I was bedbound for four. Guess I've lived in Asia so long that some of that social responsibility nonsense rubbed off on me.


  • #3789
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,345 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Yes: surgical
    polesheep wrote: »
    That was certainly one of the failures. Wearing a mask in a healthcare setting, however, cannot be compared to mandatory mask wearing in general society.

    So they just magically stop working outside hospitals?

    Masks will be more important than ever now as things start to open up and there’s less social distancing.


  • #3790
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    Hrududu wrote: »
    Genuinely curious about what you mean. What would the agenda be? Companies that sell masks pushing this to make more money if they’re mandatory? Something else?

    The “agenda” usually crumbles when you request detail around it.


  • #3791
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Juwwi wrote: »
    I wouldn't bother feeding the trolls , anti masks ,anti vaccines , anti government , anti RTE ,, there has been an influx of these posters most nearly all new members joined up since April /May with an agenda .

    People are entitled to their own views and opinions without someone rando preaching down to them or giving personal abuse.

    Check your lane. That's out of order


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  • #3792
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    People are entitled to their own views and opinions without someone rando preaching down to them or giving personal abuse.

    Check your lane. That's out of order

    But opinions should never trump facts. Allowing opinions as much validity as facts has caused a little more than a few problems in recent years.


  • #3793
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Pablo Escobar wrote: »
    But opinions should never trump facts. Allowing opinions as much validity as facts has caused a little more than a few problems in recent years.

    Anti gov ,anti rte?

    What facts are these ?

    "Allowing opinions " talk is a slippery slope. You don't get to decide friend.


  • #3794
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Anti gov ,anti rte?

    What facts are these ?

    "Allowing opinions " talk is a slippery slope. You don't get to decide friend.

    No idea what your first line is about.

    The “facts” would clearly be dependent on the topic. It doesn’t change that they shouldn’t be trumped by opinions.

    I do get to decide what I allow, which was my point. If people think critically, they deny a platform for alternative “facts”.


  • #3795
    seefin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭seefin


    Yes: valved
    If use filter in cloth mask will they also protect the wearer? Whats the best and cheapest idea for filter? Might be answered further back but can't plough through the whole thread


  • #3796
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Pablo Escobar wrote: »
    No idea what your first line is about.

    The “facts” would clearly be dependent on the topic. It doesn’t change that they shouldn’t be trumped by opinions.

    I do get to decide what I allow, which was my point. If people think critically, they deny a platform for alternative “facts”.

    You don't have to listen of course. But you don't get to decide what people think,type or say.


  • #3797
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Just go back form my local Super Value and was pleasantly surprised by the amount of people wearing masks/face coverings.

    Probably about 50%


  • #3798
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    Screen-Shot-2020-06-27-at-10.27.20-e1593250394144.png

    What does a mask do? Blocks respiratory droplets coming from your mouth and throat.

    Two simple demos:

    First, I sneezed, sang, talked & coughed toward an agar culture plate with or without a mask. Bacteria colonies show where droplets landed. A mask blocks virtually all of them.

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    What about keeping your distance?

    Second demo: I set open bacteria culture plates 2, 4 and 6 feet away and coughed (hard) for ~15s. I repeated this without a mask.

    As seen by number of bacteria colonies, droplets mostly landed <6 ft, but a mask blocked nearly all of them.

    Ebd83QwX0AI1mi_-scaled-e1593250633746.jpg


  • #3799
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,502 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Seanergy you are wasting your time with your pesky science.

    We have reached the argument of 'Meee Fredums' when it comes to people not wearing a mask.


  • #3800
    railer201
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    Yes: valved
    ShyMets wrote: »
    Just go back form my local Super Value and was pleasantly surprised by the amount of people wearing masks/face coverings.

    Probably about 50%

    The majority wearing them in Dunne's stores the other day. Without out a vaccine it seems with mask wearing we've reached the 'Last Chance Saloon' but it will work if everyone buys into it.


  • #3801
    railer201
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    Yes: valved
    seefin wrote: »
    If use filter in cloth mask will they also protect the wearer? Whats the best and cheapest idea for filter? Might be answered further back but can't plough through the whole thread

    Posts 1 - 1000 probably the most relevant, use the search function with words like 'filter' 'meltblown' 'cotton' 'brushed'. The noise and general messing started after post 1000. There really is some valuable information, tests, data etc., early on in this thread.


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  • #3802
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    Boggles wrote: »
    Seanergy you are wasting your time with your pesky science.

    We have reached the argument of 'Meee Fredums' when it comes to people not wearing a mask.

    Your so right, how's 'Meee Fredums' gunna get anything from an Agar culture plate.

    Droplet spread from saying 'do you have an peppper' over a pint of the black stuff at the bar for your 9 euro dinner.

    a-pint-of-guinness-pictured-from-above-BAPE8B.png


  • #3803
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    No: other
    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    People are entitled to their own views and opinions without someone rando preaching down to them or giving personal abuse.

    Check your lane. That's out of order

    Oh here we go with "muh freedum of speech first amendment rights, you're not alllowed disagree with mah sacred opinions!".


  • #3804
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Stark wrote: »
    Oh here we go with "muh freedum of speech first amendment rights, you're not alllowed disagree with mah sacred opinions!".

    That's the United states of America you are thinking of.

    Different country, different culture,different constitution.

    My post said no such thing.


  • #3805
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Seanergy wrote: »

    As seen by number of bacteria colonies, droplets mostly landed <6 ft, but a mask blocked nearly all of them.
    But then the mask is covered in bacteria? How can microscopic bacteria be 'blocked'?


  • #3806
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Hrududu wrote: »
    Genuinely curious about what you mean. What would the agenda be? Companies that sell masks pushing this to make more money if they’re mandatory? Something else?

    There are vulnerable people and hypochondriacs who have lobbied for mask wearing before Covid-19 arrived. They see this as an opportunity to push for their cause. I know it's a very small group of people, but the tail has been wagging the dog throughout all of this.


  • #3807
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    MadYaker wrote: »
    So they just magically stop working outside hospitals?

    Masks will be more important than ever now as things start to open up and there’s less social distancing.

    Different settings require different measures.


  • #3808
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Pablo Escobar wrote: »
    The “agenda” usually crumbles when you request detail around it.

    Patience is a virtue. Not everyone sits up all night on the Internet.


  • #3809
    railer201
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    Yes: valved
    Seanergy wrote: »
    Your so right, how's 'Meee Fredums' gunna get anything from an Agar culture plate.

    Droplet spread from saying 'do you have an peppper' over a pint of the black stuff at the bar for your 9 euro dinner.

    a-pint-of-guinness-pictured-from-above-BAPE8B.png

    When the 'logic sets in' the social distancing will be out the window, and masks won't work in a pub setting for obvious reasons ! I'd be inclined to bring my own pint glass, or better still those tankards with the hinged lids.


  • #3810
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Pablo Escobar wrote: »
    No idea what your first line is about.

    The “facts” would clearly be dependent on the topic. It doesn’t change that they shouldn’t be trumped by opinions.

    I do get to decide what I allow, which was my point. If people think critically, they deny a platform for alternative “facts”.

    I see a lot of opinions on the forum, which I would expect to see. I don't see a lot of alternative facts. Are you saying that people should not express an opinion on an Internet forum designed for that very thing?


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  • #3811
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    ShyMets wrote: »
    Just go back form my local Super Value and was pleasantly surprised by the amount of people wearing masks/face coverings.

    Probably about 50%

    I just got back from Aldi and it was no more than about 20%. One man outside who was wearing a mask gave me €2 for my trolley as I was leaving it back. That was the first time that has happened since Covid-19 began.


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