Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Deleted User wrote: »

You’re missing the point though.
Lots of people want to socialise for all kinds of reasons.

If a group of 30 twenty year olds want to party... they will. If the pub is lame, they’ll find a house to drink in.

And house parties are a lot more dangerous for many other reasons.

I'm not arguing with your point. But your point doesn't make any difference as to how pubs will be required to operate.

The government isn't going to say "oh all the kids are drinking at home because they want to sit in large groups in pubs, we should get rid of social distancing in pubs". That's not how this works. Not now, not while a virus is in circulation.

Pubs will have to make the best of the chance they have been given to be able open safely. Maybe the pubs whose business model revolved around packing in as many 20 year olds as possible don't make it - very bad luck, but they will have to try and change their business model for the next 6 months, and we'll see what progress is being made on the vaccine and treatment front.

Deleted User wrote: »

Doesn’t make a difference were it happens.
It’s going to happen either way.

What do you think is happening in Liverpool right now, just as one example?

Well from reports 2000 Liverpool fans are outside anfield. Not many at all really. Was way more in Brighton beach today for example. Had a good few mates here all avid Liverpool supporters. All watched at home, no groups or parties.

Goldengirl wrote: »

True a lot could care less , but they will have to be a rule , no mask no travel .
And yes the mask is to protect others , but in order for YOU to be protected it needs everyone to buy in to wearing masks otherwise no good if only 50% wearing them .
The asymptomatic non maskwearing traveller will infect everyone they come near , and they will be , nearer .
So in all our interests if public transport is going to 50 % capacity.

Excuse me but that's just nonsense. I don't know how people ended up exaggerating this thing in their heads to the degree where its like an ultra contagious space alien virus but its not. Its like a bloody cold in terms of spread (and in most other terms also). You may get it if said person coughs or sneezes into your direction but to say just one infected simply sitting there will infect everyone is mega wild hyperbole. Its hysteric.

The Doomsday scientist Dr Tomás Ryan is being given a lot of airtime on TV recently. I don’t understand how someone who’s just recently had discredited views on the letter he signed to government can be taken so seriously.
1. He suggested on The Tonight Show with Ivan Yeats that we re-enter a ‘short/sharp’ lockdown...which we’d still be in as we’ve still some cases a day. He also suggested we’d be in a 2nd wave any day now with our new reopening plan.
2. Scientists and the HSE ran a campaign at the start on why we didn’t need to wear face masks.... now they’re telling us the opposite when the threat of virus is minimal. We should have been told this back in Feb/March. He seems surprised at the confusion and low uptake as a result of this?
3. He used statistics from a normal tourist season - 10 million tourists per year that arrive into Ireland to hype and scare. Did anyone on this island ever suggest we reopen the skies fully?
Suggesting few ‘Green’ EU countries is a cautious and the correct approach.

The possibility of air travel was also mentioned by George ‘reopening is so scary’ Lee with leading questions from Cathríona Perry on Six One News.
Seems like we’re being ‘told’ what to do.

The government are going to have to make a call like they did on lifting lockdown - thousands of jobs gone in aviation, airline, airports, travel companies, etc., or save some and keep the industry alive. We are an island nation and need good connectivity to other countries for our own future prosperity.

CruelSummer wrote: »

The Doomsday scientist Dr Tomás Ryan is being given a lot of airtime on TV recently. I don’t understand how someone who’s just recently had discredited views on the letter he signed to government can be taken so seriously.
1. He suggested on The Tonight Show with Ivan Yeats that we re-enter a ‘short/sharp’ lockdown...which we’d still be in as we’ve still some cases a day. He also suggested we’d be in a 2nd wave any day now with our new reopening plan.
2. Scientists and the HSE ran a campaign at the start on why we didn’t need to wear face masks.... now they’re telling us the opposite when the threat of virus is minimal. We should have been told this back in Feb/March. He seems surprised at the confusion and low uptake as a result of this?
3. He used statistics from a normal tourist season - 10 million tourists per year that arrive into Ireland to hype and scare. Did anyone on this island ever suggest we reopen the skies fully?
Suggesting few ‘Green’ EU countries is a cautious and the correct approach.

The possibility of air travel was also mentioned by George ‘reopening is so scary’ Lee with leading questions from Cathríona Perry on Six One News.
Seems like we’re being ‘told’ what to do.

The government are going to have to make a call like they did on lifting lockdown - thousands of jobs gone in aviation, airline, airports, travel companies, etc., or save some and keep the industry alive. We are an island nation and need good connectivity to other countries for our own future prosperity.

I dont know how these kind of people get airtime. new cases in single digits. deaths in single digits.

and yet the feel is "look we won, now lets lock ourselves up to keep winning"

idiotic beyond belief. We are genuinely going to go backwards as a nation if we start turning down tourists, hundreds of thousands (100,000 +) will become unemployed for years to come if this mentality prospers.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Also funny how as restrictions are lifted the complaining moves on.

First it was "we just want a plan".

Then the plan was too slow, but if we sped things up a bit that would be grand.

Then some things were moving too fast, sure businesses don't have time to prepare.

Now it's "we don't like how things are reopening so we're not going to support the businesses we've been claiming to be so worried about".



Personally I'll be going out to enjoy a meal, pint, and a haircut as soon as I can.

Good. Me too

The pub/restaurant stuff will last a few weeks and then people will do as they like. Those that want to obey the rules to the letter can do so and people who want to have a normal experience in a pub/restaurant will do so too.

As with the travel restriction, enforced for a couple of weeks and then ignored. By the rule book, its only this coming Monday that inter-county travel is being allowed - Most people I know have broken that nonsense long ago.
Pubs that have been closed for 3 months going to "literally" throw money out the door (asking people to leave after 90 mins or whatever) - my hole they will. I give it a few weeks.

lawred2 wrote: »

half a million people on beaches and thousands out celebrating Liverpool winning the league

Covid 2.0 is going to be banger

Mad scenes in Liverpool, its amazing how quickly covid has been forgotten

https://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog/22524/12012566/chelsea-vs-man-city-live

lawred2 wrote: »

half a million people on beaches and thousands out celebrating Liverpool winning the league

Covid 2.0 is going to be banger

It's really not. It's no longer novel. Outdoor isn't really the problem no matter how nervous it makes people.

Deleted User wrote: »

So, why all the fuss about Cheltenham? Why no racegoers to horse and greyhound racing?

Just extreme caution as punters could congregate in higher risk locations like indoor bars. It was also a condition for reopening. Cheltenham has never been shown to be a big vector here. It was also in March, this is June.

is_that_so wrote: »

It's really not. It's no longer novel. Outdoor isn't really the problem no matter how nervous it makes people.

Not remotely nervous about what happens in the UK.

Hope you're right though.

lawred2 wrote: »

Not remotely nervous about what happens in the UK.

Hope you're right though.

Oh, I agree on the UK. At worst I'd feel a little uneasy but I think we've done a far better job. Even so the UK is also looking at all kinds of quick test options, which may benefit all of us in the long run.

I would love to see the results of following in a test state thats seeing a COVID surge. With immediate effect wearing of face masks outside the home mandatory.
I wonder what sort of an impact it would have on the growth of the virus