How will schools be able to go back in September?

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Ah thank you that makes sense

Well that is some of what we have come up with so far without guidance from Dept of Ed. McHugh has no idea and wouldnt know his arse from his elbow from what I've seen of Dept of Ed so far. They have been no help.

So schools and teachers are working on ideas for September but we also await guidance from Dept of Ed and chances are Simon Harris will be new Dept of Ed minister, see how that goes.

There will still be a form of social distancing regardless of McHugh. Children will be encouraged in my school to use one way system and stay on one side of corridor when moving around.

There is a question about PE equipment as it is shared, as it may need cleaning between groups. Same reason GAA not doing camoige camps in my area this year as cleanig equipment too difficult.

There is also a question on paintbrushes being shared as cleaning etc. My solution is to get each child to go to lidl or Aldi and buy set of paintbrushes and be responsible for them.

No Rental book this year to prevent germs. They have been cleaned and put into storage.

Lots of other areas to look into such as lining up in yard, collection, entering exiting schools every day. It doesnt matter what they do outside school gates there will still be some form of sd in these areas in school.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What solutions has your school come up.with regards to isolation rooms and how to staff them? Also what solution have you guys got when it comes to parents not answering the phone to bring home a sick child?

Still working on them. Like I said a lot to do. And it will probably be me to staff it since Im the nurse.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Would it be a good idea to have at least 4 contacts for every child ? I know our local school has four named who can pick up so maybe the same four can be contacted ?

We have 4 as well but unless it has been an utter emergency which requires hospital or immediate doctor visit we don't bother them as they are 99% grandparents.

thomasdylan wrote: »

This is one of the awful opinions that drives me mad. Nursing is a job with high stress and high responsibility. Increasing education is needed as treatment if patients has become more complex. Roles expand and new roles and professions are created.

The idea that nurses are selfless angelic women who work for doctors belongs 100 years ago if it ever belonged at all.[/pandemic

khalessi wrote: »

Probably doesnt bother you but if it turned out the collected child was exposed to Covid19 and then the person collecting got it, they could try to hold school responsible for exposing them. There is a reason we are among the highest ligtious societies in the world.

Litigation creeps into everything these days, such a shame

bettyoleary wrote: »

bettyoleary wrote: »

its not just women its men too, Unfortunately irish history has to change re famine. Bcos irish treat each other worse than ever. Even your post says this. Landlords treat tenants like **** and would kick tenants into th e road if govt didnt stop it. young people cant buy houses We import migrant workers into the country and exploit them until they die.

There is no change . Irish are as greedy as british lanlords. Infact i would say they are worse. Young people cant buy houses now., bcos of greed. They have to leave ireland. Hopefully the uk wont alow them in again. They have no talent, no goood at fooball No education thats worth considering. Get lost Ireland in my opinion. Just let your old friend mIchael oleary bring virus again ande dont expect uk nurses to look after you bcos there not fk off.

khalessi wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/teachers-will-have-to-wear-ppe-in-certain-circumstances-when-schools-reopen-amid-coronavirus-threat-39312196.html

Teachers and other staff will have to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) in certain circumstances, when schools re-open, amid the ongoing threat from Covid-19.

Overall, PPE will not be required to be worn within schools but a limited number of staff will need to use PPE occasionally, or constantly, due to the nature of certain activities or work areas, according to Department of Education guidelines

Examples of the circumstances in which use of PPE is envisaged include when a staff member, such as a

Special Needs Assistant (SNA), is performing intimate care for a pupil or where a suspected case of Covid-19 is identified.

And while school cleaning regimes will be stepped up to minimise risk, staff will also be required to thoroughly clean and disinfect their work area before and after use each day.



Apparently guidelines issues today must go have a look.

Just read further and schools advised to buy own sanitiser in short term -yeah right

Whi will be responsible for cleaning and disinfecting shared classrooms in post primary schools I wonder? Will the classroom have to be cleaned and disinfected between classes? Huge impact on the timetable if so. (Not expecting answers from anyone just thinking through the practicalities).

khalessi wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/teachers-will-have-to-wear-ppe-in-certain-circumstances-when-schools-reopen-amid-coronavirus-threat-39312196.html

Teachers and other staff will have to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) in certain circumstances, when schools re-open, amid the ongoing threat from Covid-19.

Overall, PPE will not be required to be worn within schools but a limited number of staff will need to use PPE occasionally, or constantly, due to the nature of certain activities or work areas, according to Department of Education guidelines

Examples of the circumstances in which use of PPE is envisaged include when a staff member, such as a

Special Needs Assistant (SNA), is performing intimate care for a pupil or where a suspected case of Covid-19 is identified.

And while school cleaning regimes will be stepped up to minimise risk, staff will also be required to thoroughly clean and disinfect their work area before and after use each day.



Apparently guidelines issues today must go have a look.

Just read further and schools advised to buy own sanitiser in short term -yeah right

I think most of that article is taken from the summer school 'guidelines' that were actually issued yesterday. Go check out Simon Lewis on twitter. He broke it down pretty well and all the holes in them.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

But did you not say a few posts back that you wouldn't wear.one going out to the shops? So which is it?

The conversation at the time was about face shields not masks .Its on page 282

pwurple wrote: »

It came from the HSE guidelines, and I think it's also common sense that strapping something to a child's face is a choking / strangulation hazard.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/face-masks-disposable-gloves.html


Who should not wear one
Cloth face coverings are not suitable for children under the age of 13 and anyone who:

has trouble breathing
is unconscious or incapacitated
is unable to remove it without help
has special needs and who may feel upset or very uncomfortable wearing the face covering

Might be strangulation hazard in toddlers but many countries have primary school children wearing them for pollution reasons or in school.

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'd imagine a class full of 30 kids who might not even be able to tie their own laces might have trouble with them.

They are not very comfortable to wear so a young child would be pulling at their mask all day and that defeats the purpose.

Secondary age kids should be able to manage just fine, I think the HSE has rightly set the age at 13 years old.

Practically though they would need to be changed at least once during the school day.
Masks would need to be taken off for food/drinks etc not to mention the huge increase in waste for schools to dispose of several hundred face masks every day (unless kids are made to bring them home with them).

If need be children would get used to them but they wont have to. I was just pointing out that children of all ages manage them in other countries. And luckily they donr need to be tied, mute point. In China children bring two masks a day to school and change at lunchtime after they hae removed it to eat lunch then put on the fresh one. Masks could be brought home like the lunch wrappings and disposed of at home.

The main reason masks werent pushed was the shortage and the HSE and government didnt want people buying up masks for HCW. The next reason not to mandate them for schools is they would have to be provided by the Dept of Ed so there would be added expenses and duty of care. Children wore gasmasks during WW2 and might not have liked it but got used to it as it was a necessity.

pwurple wrote: »

No, the main reason masks aren't pushed for children, is that they are not required. Children are at very low risk of any harm from this virus. Almost nil. You don't introduce a known strangulation hazard to mitigate a risk which has almost no likelihood of occurring.

Yes indeed, I was referring to when this first occured. The Dept didnt want the expennse.

My daughter's school this evening sent a survey around from the National Parents Council about returning to school in September. They're meeting with the Covid Committee (I assume that's a government body) and the survey is a snap shot of parents' opinions. Questions about how parents feel about schools returning. About safety protocols, child, teacher and parent anxiety.