Sammy2012 wrote: » The guidelines for social distancing in relation to the July provision are out. 2m outside the classroom for adults and 1m where possible inside the classroom. Does this pave the way for a full return to school in Sept?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » The 1m 'where possible' would be workable to some extent for July provision because it involves fewer children than a normal school day, albeit some will have more complex needs. They've already said they want kids back fully by end of August so social distancing is simply a non runner. Masks on public transport now mandatory too so social distancing about to be eliminated there as well to allow more capacity.
Dublingirl80 wrote: » I havent seen this but if the same applies for September then 1m which is probably the best compromise would mean some classes would be half a week. I don't know if class size would determine this or room size. Some would be small enough classes in big rooms and it would be full time. Some would be impossible. It's a pity they coudlnt also make more use of outdoor space for some months and maybe cover over the areas with shelter. There is almost 20 times less risk outdoors which is a huge difference. Awnings and half out half in style rooms could be constructed and would actually be useful anywya for yard times when rain happens etc. Someone with access to funds and innovative ideas needs to be put in charge of these issues. I dont feel its always a funding issue but an issue with where the funding actually is going.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I'd imagine a class full of 30 kids who might not even be able to tie their own laces might have trouble with them. They are not very comfortable to wear so a young child would be pulling at their mask all day and that defeats the purpose. Secondary age kids should be able to manage just fine, I think the HSE has rightly set the age at 13 years old. Practically though they would need to be changed at least once during the school day. Masks would need to be taken off for food/drinks etc not to mention the huge increase in waste for schools to dispose of several hundred face masks every day (unless kids are made to bring them home with them).
bettyoleary wrote: » Let me tell you now. This virus is uknown. Yes, mostly old people die with it, but young people spread it. Babies and young children have got it and died. We know in the UK but who knows in South America. So dont be so selfish bcos you want your kids to go back to school In my opinion kids are best educated . at home. They have less distractions , so can concentrate more. They are less likely to join in herd mentality and stab each other. They are less likely to be bullied
khalessi wrote: » Betty half the time you quote yourselg. Dont call me selfish. HOw dare you! Read my posts all of them before you do that. You will see that my 3 nieces got it along with their parents and one of those kids is high risk due to having 3/4 of one llung,so bugger off. And to add I also have CF in my family so masks wearing is important for us. Half the time here no one knows what you are on about because you seem to be having conversations with yourself, constantly quoting yourself, use the edit button instead if you want to add something.
khalessi wrote: » Yes indeed, I was referring to when this first occured. The Dept didnt want the expennse.
pwurple wrote: » No, the main reason masks aren't pushed for children, is that they are not required. Children are at very low risk of any harm from this virus. Almost nil. You don't introduce a known strangulation hazard to mitigate a risk which has almost no likelihood of occurring.
khalessi wrote: » If need be children would get used to them but they wont have to. I was just pointing out that children of all ages manage them in other countries. And luckily they donr need to be tied, mute point. In China children bring two masks a day to school and change at lunchtime after they hae removed it to eat lunch then put on the fresh one. Masks could be brought home like the lunch wrappings and disposed of at home. The main reason masks werent pushed was the shortage and the HSE and government didnt want people buying up masks for HCW. The next reason not to mandate them for schools is they would have to be provided by the Dept of Ed so there would be added expenses and duty of care. Children wore gasmasks during WW2 and might not have liked it but got used to it as it was a necessity.
khalessi wrote: » Might be strangulation hazard in toddlers but many countries have primary school children wearing them for pollution reasons or in school.
pwurple wrote: » It came from the HSE guidelines, and I think it's also common sense that strapping something to a child's face is a choking / strangulation hazard.https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/face-masks-disposable-gloves.html Who should not wear one Cloth face coverings are not suitable for children under the age of 13 and anyone who: has trouble breathing is unconscious or incapacitated is unable to remove it without help has special needs and who may feel upset or very uncomfortable wearing the face covering
Dublingirl80 wrote: » R Where did this under 13s not wearing them ides come from as other countries it doesn't seem to apply.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » But did you not say a few posts back that you wouldn't wear.one going out to the shops? So which is it?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » I said I wouldn't wear a face shield visor in the shops or in public but I do wear a mask shopping.
Dublingirl80 wrote: » The government have strongly recommended wearing them in shops. It's selfish to the staff not to really unless the shop is beey quiet and there is full 2m distance kept at tills.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Yes I wear them everyday for work, I wouldn't wear one heading to the shops or out in public though.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » I think most of that article is taken from the summer school 'guidelines' that were actually issued yesterday. Go check out Simon Lewis on twitter. He broke it down pretty well and all the holes in them.
khalessi wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/teachers-will-have-to-wear-ppe-in-certain-circumstances-when-schools-reopen-amid-coronavirus-threat-39312196.html Teachers and other staff will have to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) in certain circumstances, when schools re-open, amid the ongoing threat from Covid-19. Overall, PPE will not be required to be worn within schools but a limited number of staff will need to use PPE occasionally, or constantly, due to the nature of certain activities or work areas, according to Department of Education guidelines Examples of the circumstances in which use of PPE is envisaged include when a staff member, such as a Special Needs Assistant (SNA), is performing intimate care for a pupil or where a suspected case of Covid-19 is identified. And while school cleaning regimes will be stepped up to minimise risk, staff will also be required to thoroughly clean and disinfect their work area before and after use each day. Apparently guidelines issues today must go have a look. Just read further and schools advised to buy own sanitiser in short term -yeah right
History Queen wrote: » Whi will be responsible for cleaning and disinfecting shared classrooms in post primary schools I wonder? Will the classroom have to be cleaned and disinfected between classes? Huge impact on the timetable if so. (Not expecting answers from anyone just thinking through the practicalities).
bettyoleary wrote: » bettyoleary wrote: » its not just women its men too, Unfortunately irish history has to change re famine. Bcos irish treat each other worse than ever. Even your post says this. Landlords treat tenants like **** and would kick tenants into th e road if govt didnt stop it. young people cant buy houses We import migrant workers into the country and exploit them until they die. There is no change . Irish are as greedy as british lanlords. Infact i would say they are worse. Young people cant buy houses now., bcos of greed. They have to leave ireland. Hopefully the uk wont alow them in again. They have no talent, no goood at fooball No education thats worth considering. Get lost Ireland in my opinion. Just let your old friend mIchael oleary bring virus again ande dont expect uk nurses to look after you bcos there not fk off.
bettyoleary wrote: » its not just women its men too, Unfortunately irish history has to change re famine. Bcos irish treat each other worse than ever. Even your post says this. Landlords treat tenants like **** and would kick tenants into th e road if govt didnt stop it. young people cant buy houses We import migrant workers into the country and exploit them until they die.
