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Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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  • #6752
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    more a ripple than a wave

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

    They haven't had a day with more than 2 deaths since mid April. From a population of 50m. I would love a second wave like that.


  • #6753
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Unless a person is missing both their arms, there's really no excuse for coughing or sneezing openly.

    How do you know someone does not have a learning disability? And while there may be no excuse, everyone can have an occasional slip. I was out and about Saturday and saw an old man of about 75 cough openly, and who was obviously confused as to what he was supposed to do, but unlike some on here I don't think he is a selfish c**t.


  • #6754
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    speckle wrote: »
    Sadly, he had inadequate PPE at the beginning. He thought he may have contracted very early on by having no proper protective eye wear and brought this to the attention of the world saving lives, but sadly not his own

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/chinese-doctor-li-wenliang-warned-coronavirus-dies-disease-963289

    The study liked selected 406 healthcare workers from 4 particular hospitals. Knowing the Chinese authorities you can be sure they ensured those hospitals had the best PPE in the country for the duration of the study. The study itself states the participants were provided with appropriate PPE, but what is the typical PPE for Chinese healthcare?


  • #6755
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How do you know someone does not have a learning disability? And while there may be no excuse, everyone can have an occasional slip. I was out and about Saturday and saw an old man of about 75 cough openly, and who was obviously confused as to what he was supposed to do, but unlike some on here I don't think he is a selfish c**t.

    If someone is able to leave their house on their own with a learning disability and capable of learning to live their life, they can learn to contain their cough and sneeze. How do you know the old man was confused?


  • #6756
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You dont know what troubles an individual coughing or sneezing in public has, that's why it is best not to get annoyed unless you know.
    Also I am not saying its hard, but it is easy to get caught out - did you wash your jacket before you hung it in a cloakroom / at a desk or left it down somewhere using your own example as an example of how its not always so easy

    I was going home and not into a cloakroom or to leave my jacket down.


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  • #6757
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No Chinese healthcare workers died.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51409801

    Of course a lot of Chinese health workers died... particularly at the beginning of the outbreak there. I was referring to the BMJ study which proved the effectiveness of adequate PPE for virus exposed frontline workers later in their pandemic.

    The unfortunate doctor in your link was an ophthalmologist who examined the eyes of a patient with abdominal pain on a surgical ward. The patient later developed cough and a fever and tested positive for Covid.


  • #6758
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I was going home and not into a cloakroom or to leave my jacket down.

    What would you have done if you had not been going home? Sorry, you never do anything that could be of potential risk so you would have gone straight home and washed your jacket.

    Anyone can make a mistake, does not make them a selfish c**t


  • #6759
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,550 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How do you know someone does not have a learning disability? And while there may be no excuse, everyone can have an occasional slip. I was out and about Saturday and saw an old man of about 75 cough openly, and who was obviously confused as to what he was supposed to do, but unlike some on here I don't think he is a selfish c**t.

    That can happen, but there is too much shîtty and careless behaviors evident that we can just automatically jump to that defense. It’s almost we are trying too hard to excuse people...

    75 isnt crazy old nowadays, not old enough NOT to know and be aware...

    We are almost in a situation where we are searching for excuses for people... ahhh because...

    They are elderly

    They are stressed

    #mentalhealmentalhealthmentalhealth

    They are young

    They need to see people..


    Fûck them, they need to cop on and be team players. NO HALL PASSES.


  • #6760
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    If someone is able to leave their house on their own with a learning disability and capable of learning to live their life, they can learn to contain their cough and sneeze. How do you know the old man was confused?

    Because he obviously was confused as to where to go, it was outside a small shop only letting 2 customers in at a time, so I stood back and let him in before me.


  • #6761
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How do you know someone does not have a learning disability? And while there may be no excuse, everyone can have an occasional slip. I was out and about Saturday and saw an old man of about 75 cough openly, and who was obviously confused as to what he was supposed to do, but unlike some on here I don't think he is a selfish c**t.

    We've been told for months of a new infectious disease with a new pathogen and theres no room for complacency with occasional slips like you are saying it is. It's lazyiness and selfishness pure and simple.

    If there's an old man wandering around coughing openly and maybe he has dementia or something to cause him to cough, really he shouldnt be there. Is there a home for him or a family to help him?

    The people I've seen coughing openly are younger people. Actually one person was in the alcohol aisle with me and she looked more like a druggie than an old one with dementia.

    Coughing openly is just greed and selfishness and carelessness of the highest order.


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  • #6762
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    If someone is able to leave their house on their own with a learning disability and capable of learning to live their life, they can learn to contain their cough and sneeze. How do you know the old man was confused?

    So I take it you would be fine with someone with a learning disability, if accompanied by a sound bodied adult, openly coughing and sneezing


  • #6763
    [Deleted User]
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    Strumms wrote: »
    That can happen, but there is too much shîtty and careless behaviors evident that we can just automatically jump to that defense. It’s almost we are trying too hard to excuse people...

    75 isnt crazy old nowadays, not old enough NOT to know and be aware...

    We are almost in a situation where we are searching for excuses for people... ahhh because...

    They are elderly

    They are stressed

    #mentalhealmentalhealthmentalhealth

    They are young

    They need to see people..


    Fûck them, they need to cop on and be team players. NO HALL PASSES.

    All ye guys who do everything 100% right all the time. Must be great to be perfect and stand around passing judgement on normal people who have normal lapses


  • #6764
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Because he obviously was confused as to where to go, it was outside a small shop only letting 2 customers in at a time, so I stood back and let him in before me.

    He may looked confused to you. It may have been his first time outside since lifting restrictions, well capable of going to the shop themselves... So they're well able to contain their coughs and sneezes.

    I was in Penney's last week, I was confused at the checkout and their new system. Was my confusion a free pass to cough and sneeze openly? I didn't actually cough or sneeze... But I was confused, so in a situation like this, did I have a free pass for coughing or sneezing openly?


  • #6765
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Strumms wrote: »
    That can happen, but there is too much shîtty and careless behaviors evident that we can just automatically jump to that defense. It’s almost we are trying too hard to excuse people...

    75 isnt crazy old nowadays, not old enough NOT to know and be aware...

    We are almost in a situation where we are searching for excuses for people... ahhh because...

    They are elderly

    They are stressed

    #mentalhealmentalhealthmentalhealth

    They are young

    They need to see people..


    Fûck them, they need to cop on and be team players. NO HALL PASSES.

    I've seen people behaving responsibly more often than not but I've seen others who don't give a damn. Thankfully I'm not in the East of the country which could be considered a hot-spot for Ireland and hopefully what the experts are saying with community transmission being low is true, chances of people coughing with virus is low but still there's no room for complacency. Now is the time to get the population trained up before the winter where it might kick off again into a second wave.


  • #6766
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Is this thread still going? It's over. There's nothing left to be said.


  • #6767
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Covid found in Italian samples from mid-December 2019.
    https://promedmail.org/promed-post/?id=7490347

    " The results, confirmed in 2 different laboratories with 2 different methods, showed the presence of SARS-Cov-2 RNA in the samples taken in Milan and Turin on 18 Dec 2019 and in Bologna on 29 Jan 2020"


  • #6768
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Live WHO press briefing now...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgKgK1vY3sw


  • #6769
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    He may looked confused to you. It may have been his first time outside since lifting restrictions, well capable of going to the shop themselves... So they're well able to contain their coughs and sneezes.

    I was in Penney's last week, I was confused at the checkout and their new system. Was my confusion a free pass to cough and sneeze openly? I didn't actually cough or sneeze... But I was confused, so in a situation like this, did I have a free pass for coughing or sneezing openly?

    No, but the more confusion with dealing with a stressful situation, the more likely for an unconscious lapse to occur, even perhaps without realising it. Doesn't mean someone is a bad person. I make a conscious effort to ensure I have good respiratory hygiene in public. Especially with mild hay fever, it actually serves to make others feel less anxious. However although I don't believe I have cough or sneezed openly, can I guarantee I haven't, no. Did I rub my nose and then tough something, I don't believe so, but hand on heart I don't know for certain. That's why I refuse to vilify anyone. Out and about Saturday I noticed one person out of perhaps hundreds have an etiquette slip. But I accept that it can happen through no fault of anyone


  • #6770
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/recovered-covid-19-patients-suffer-major-ongoing-physical-cognitive-problems/

    Worth a read of the article in entirety. Memory issues, personality changes, lung damage that doesn't heal like regular pneumonia, blood pressure issues, impaired speech etc. Some showing up in mild cases afterwards...


    Also worthy of note is that we know feck all about some viruses including some we eradicated and had experience with....polio:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-polio_syndrome
    newer data from countries that have contacted their polio survivors have shown 85% of their polio survivors to have symptoms of Post Polio Syndrome.19(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-polio_syndrome#cite_note-19) On average, it occurs 30–35 years afterwards; however, delays of between 8–71 years have been recorded


    is covid going to keep recurring and continually damaging people forever?
    https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/coronavirus-australia-brisbane-woman-tests-positive-100-days-after-first-contracting-covid-19-c-1111222

    There really is no room for complacency with this virus.


  • #6771
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,550 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Deleted User wrote: »
    All ye guys who do everything 100% right all the time. Must be great to be perfect and stand around passing judgement on normal people who have normal lapses


    100% right ? No just 100% effort though, the second I leave my front door, to when I return to act in a socially responsible and safe way. Socially distancing, wearing a mask, socially responsible. For myself, my wellbeing, that of my family too and indeed society even if any impact I can have is minuscule, it’s minuscule in a good sense.

    In relation to covid yes, I’m going to be judgmental, yes I’m calling out individuals as is necessary, not out of spite but out of trying to play a small part to help, help even them.. I’m not going to apologize for it. When this all ends I want to be able to hold my head high, look in the mirror and say ok, did the right thing, regardless...


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  • #6772
    s1ippy
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    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    I calculate the number of active cases in Ireland (based on testing) is;

    178

    Source: CMO definition of active cases (14 days from test you are no longer active)
    Source: Worldometer dates of cases announced (slight delay from date of test but sufficient for this exercise).
    The number of *known active cases which have been diagnosed.

    This does not account for asymptomatic spread

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/at-risk-groups-in-ireland-testing-positive-for-covid-19-almost-triple-rate-of-general-public-1005845.html

    Until we have a testing regime which checks representative samples of the population, we will not be able to get an accurate idea of how many cases there are.

    Although there is evidence that 80% of cases are mild or asymptomatic, so you can assume safely enough that there are at least 890 additional cases walking around not knowing that they have the virus, as well as the ones you mentioned.


  • #6773
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,550 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I've seen people behaving responsibly more often than not but I've seen others who don't give a damn. Thankfully I'm not in the East of the country which could be considered a hot-spot for Ireland and hopefully what the experts are saying with community transmission being low is true, chances of people coughing with virus is low but still there's no room for complacency. Now is the time to get the population trained up before the winter where it might kick off again into a second wave.

    I agree, that’s why I think we need to be aware of complacency, ourselves, family in fact everyone in our inner circle.


  • #6774
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    hmmm wrote: »
    Covid found in Italian samples from mid-December 2019.
    https://promedmail.org/promed-post/?id=7490347

    " The results, confirmed in 2 different laboratories with 2 different methods, showed the presence of SARS-Cov-2 RNA in the samples taken in Milan and Turin on 18 Dec 2019 and in Bologna on 29 Jan 2020"
    I'm guessing it would take significant community transmission for it to show up in waste water. It has 100% been in Europe (And Ireland for that matter) for longer than we think.


  • #6775
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, but the more confusion with dealing with a stressful situation, the more likely for an unconscious lapse to occur, even perhaps without realising it. Doesn't mean someone is a bad person. I make a conscious effort to ensure I have good respiratory hygiene in public. Especially with mild hay fever, it actually serves to make others feel less anxious. However although I don't believe I have cough or sneezed openly, can I guarantee I haven't, no. Did I rub my nose and then tough something, I don't believe so, but hand on heart I don't know for certain. That's why I refuse to vilify anyone. Out and about Saturday I noticed one person out of perhaps hundreds have an etiquette slip. But I accept that it can happen through no fault of anyone

    100% agree. My nephew has a learning disability. He cannot wear a mask and does not understand cough or sneezing etiquette. But judging by some posters on here, he should be kept locked in his own house until a vaccine or effective treatment is found


  • #6776
    [Deleted User]
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    s1ippy wrote: »
    The number of *known active cases which have been diagnosed.

    This does not account for asymptomatic spread

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/at-risk-groups-in-ireland-testing-positive-for-covid-19-almost-triple-rate-of-general-public-1005845.html

    Until we have a testing regime which checks representative samples of the population, we will not be able to get an accurate idea of how many cases there are.

    Although there is evidence that 80% of cases are mild or asymptomatic, so you can assume safely enough that there are at least 890 additional cases walking around not knowing that they have the virus, as well as the ones you mentioned.

    Every identified symptomatic person is been tested, every close contact is being tested and isolated, irrespective of symptoms, far less than 890 are walking about


  • #6777
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    The total number of Covid-19 positive tests is updated daily (except Sunday) on the link below, and is the number of positive tests up to midnight the previous day. Note that this is the number of positive tests, rather than number of people who have tested positive.

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

    The total number of positive tests is 28,475, an increase of 15 since Saturday's update. There were 6 new cases announced yesterday, so I'm expecting a maximum of 9 new cases today (and will likely be less due to double counting of people who test positive multiple times)


  • #6778
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm guessing it would take significant community transmission for it to show up in waste water. It has 100% been in Europe (And Ireland for that matter) for longer than we think.
    Exactly - it's quite a big finding.

    It also shows how the panic to impose travel bans was a waste of time.


  • #6779
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    The news from America, Brazil and South Korea especially is worrying.

    Leo and the government need to get tough and close the borders for a few weeks or we to will be hit with a second wave before the end of the summer.


  • #6780
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    hmmm wrote: »
    Exactly - it's quite a big finding.

    It also shows how the panic to impose travel bans was a waste of time.

    So why didn't we see a large spike in hospital admissions and deaths across Europe during that time

    My understanding is that the virus has not undergone any significant mutations. So in theory it still as dangerous now as it was in December


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  • #6781
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    The total number of Covid-19 positive tests is updated daily (except Sunday) on the link below, and is the number of positive tests up to midnight the previous day. Note that this is the number of positive tests, rather than number of people who have tested positive.

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

    The total number of positive tests is 28,475, an increase of 15 since Saturday's update. There were 6 new cases announced yesterday, so I'm expecting a maximum of 9 new cases today (and will likely be less due to double counting of people who test positive multiple times)
    You're after outsmarting NPHET if this works out!!


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