Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

owlbethere · 22-06-2020 01:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its habit - I would say no one will be 100% compliant 100% of the time. Everyone will have a slip at some time. Does not make them a c**t

That's nonsense. It's basic manners to cover a cough and sneeze. Basic manners. There's no room for complacency.

Do people need special degrees on manners?

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 01:29PM

Has anyone else noticed how worldwide the infection rate seems to be increasing, but the death rate is actually decreasing? The death chart on worldometer is nearly linear. No significant increase.

22-06-2020 01:31PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

That doesn’t fill me with confidence ever since a person posted here that they knew of a case in intensive care that tested positive for Covid for up to 2 months and was considered to be probably contagious over that period of time

I don't think anyone who has been infectious for two months will be in the local Lidl.

22-06-2020 01:37PM

owlbethere wrote: »

That's nonsense. It's basic manners to cover a cough and sneeze. Basic manners. There's no room for complacency.

Do people need special degrees on manners?

You have never in your life suddenly coughed without covering it, wiped your nose or had a sneeze come out of nowhere and catch you out before you could act. Everyone should endeavour to comply, but there will be times when everyone will, unbeknown to themselves and unintentionally, have a slip. We should not be so quick to label someone we judge as non compliant. You don't know any randoms persons background, history, personal circumstances or anything else for that matter so don't get so worked up. You will see someone who annoys you everyday with some non-compliance or other, and the majority of those are probably trying their best

Neamhshuntasach · 22-06-2020 01:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed how worldwide the infection rate seems to be increasing, but the death rate is actually decreasing? The death chart on worldometer is nearly linear. No significant increase.

Yep I'd noticed that alright. And it could tie in with claims from some doctors in a few countries where they believe that the virus has weakened. Or it could be that doctors have more effective ways of dealing with Covid patients that decrease the chances of dying from it. Both reasons would be good progress. But a weakened virus would be great if it meant an increase in cases wouldn't necessarily mean an increase in hospitalizations.

Eod100 · 22-06-2020 01:39PM

See with phase 3 you can travel outside your county and anywhere in Ireland but public transport is still for essential journeys only. Do you think that will change? I'm not sure telling someone to walk or cycle works if they don't drive or have access to a car.. !

zinfandel · 22-06-2020 01:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed how worldwide the infection rate seems to be increasing, but the death rate is actually decreasing? The death chart on worldometer is nearly linear. No significant increase.

yes I have, especially in the USA, alot of countries I am not convinced about how they are counting their dead...

In the Usa it is either the virus is weakening or they have learnt lessons from New york and are looking after the vunerable/ nursing homes better or else an explosion of deaths is coming down the road.

What Username Guidelines · 22-06-2020 01:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed how worldwide the infection rate seems to be increasing, but the death rate is actually decreasing? The death chart on worldometer is nearly linear. No significant increase.

I noticed similar, but when you turn on the 7-day avg line, it does seem to be starting to curve up. Nowhere near the same amount or intensity as the case curve though. Inda's large (2k+) backdated increase on Jun 16th will throw this a little.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#daily-deaths

22-06-2020 01:42PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Fat people on planes might finally be made to pay for their extra weight!

Will the 6ft 11 inch, 115kg basketball player pay more than the overweight person who happens to be 4ft 11 and 70kg?

schmoo2k · 22-06-2020 01:45PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

On the masks aspect:

I only wear a mask when using public transport, as the trip is an hour long. I leave outside Drogheda and commuted to Dublin so I used a private bus company, bus eireann and the luas.
In every trip, less than 50% of the people were wearing a mask, in most cases % was much less than that around 15-20%. Passenger numbers also going up, especially in the luas and 2m social distancing starts getting at the limit, although people seem to really make an effort to keep some distance.
The worst case was in a bus eireann trip on a Saturday evening. It was around the time shops were closing and there were a lot of people around, so the driver didn't even apply social distancing rules so the bus was half full, at least one person in every 2 seats. I could have been the only one wearing a mask in that bus, but for sure no more than 4-5 people, all the people a few rows in front and behind me didn't wear one.
Not sure if at this point in time people can be convinced to wear one, unless it is mandatory (and not sure how this can be really enforced. . .)

P.S. I have never wore a mask going to the Supermarket. But I tend to go at quiet hours (weekdays, early in the morning or late in the evening) and always with a list which makes it a 5-10 minute exercise. Usually at these times I don't even have to queue, in and out straight away.

I am still only doing my 1 shop every 10 days or so - still haven't seen a single mask for sale...

Icantthinkof1 · 22-06-2020 01:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think anyone who has been infectious for two months will be in the local Lidl.

That’s a good point!

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 01:46PM

England has reported 15 deaths today. I’m fairly certain that’s their lowest daily total in a long time.

What Username Guidelines · 22-06-2020 01:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

England has reported 15 deaths today. I’m fairly certain that’s their lowest daily total in a long time.

Yep, it's good progress, and before the "Weekend Numbers" crowd pile on, it was 38 last week.

UK also publish the date of death data as well as date of reported (the latter of which worldometers displays) which shows a clearer picture of how it's following an epidemic curve.

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MickeyLeari · 22-06-2020 02:05PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Yep, it's good progress, and before the "Weekend Numbers" crowd pile on, it was 38 last week.

UK also publish the date of death data as well as date of reported (the latter of which worldometers displays) which shows a clearer picture of how it's following an epidemic curve.

That is very positive.

22-06-2020 02:07PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Yep, it's good progress, and before the "Weekend Numbers" crowd pile on, it was 38 last week.

UK also publish the date of death data as well as date of reported (the latter of which worldometers displays) which shows a clearer picture of how it's following an epidemic curve.

but, but, but.....according to many here it is as bad as the USA and Brazil

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 02:10PM

South Korea reporting that it is experiencing a second wave with drastically lower case numbers. 17 new cases yesterday.

22-06-2020 02:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed how worldwide the infection rate seems to be increasing, but the death rate is actually decreasing? The death chart on worldometer is nearly linear. No significant increase.

I do wonder is there a compounding effect. In winter immune systems may already be weakened by another infections and lack of sunlight (vitamin d), whereas this time of year we are in a much better position to fight off a random infection.
There is slight evidence however of an uptick in the 7 day average death rate, which may be down to the lag between infection and death

is_that_so · 22-06-2020 02:13PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

A recent Chinese study published in the BMJ investigated whether appropriate personal protective equipment can protect frontline healthcare professionals who are exposed to SARS-CoV-2 infection. Despite a high risk of exposure, no evidence was found of infection in any of the 420 participants as shown by negative test results for nucleic acids and specific IgM or IgG antibodies.

Contrast that with the Irish experience... healthcare workers make up a third of all COVID positive cases in Ireland. Nurses make up a third of those – the largest single group of workers infected. As of May 30th, seven healthcare workers have died from the virus, 1,515 (19%) have recovered, and 4,823 are still ill (60%). 20% of cases have a currently unknown status.

According to HPSC figures up until May 30th
- 88% got the virus in a healthcare setting as staff
- 4% from contact with a confirmed case
- 3% from travel
- 3% from community transmission
- 1% from a healthcare setting as patients.

This must raise serious questions about the adequacy of the Personal Protective Equipment provided by the HSE to our health care workers. They are not after all the types who go round licking handrails.

Below is a video on a Chinese health care worker donning her PPE. According to the BMJ article they wear the 'Medical Suit' and also a gown in the ICU and on the regular wards where contact with Covid is a possibility, using a powered air purifying respirators for the most dangerous situations. Not one square cm of skin is uncovered and there is a double or triple layer of PPE all over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HsGqQCLzLU

This level seems to be the price you have to pay in order to protect your health workers from this nasty virus... and we are obviously not doing it.

Out of concern that it's a comparison of apples and oranges in your post - healthcare workers here means anyone in a healthcare setting not just the "frontline professionals". It includes environments like care homes too.

22-06-2020 02:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

but, but, but.....according to many here it is as bad as the USA and Brazil

Deaths per million UK - 628, USA - 369

22-06-2020 02:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I do wonder is there a compounding effect. In winter immune systems may already be weakened by another infections and lack of sunlight (vitamin d), whereas this time of year we are in a much better position to fight off a random infection.
There is slight evidence however of an uptick in the 7 day average death rate, which may be down to the lag between infection and death

Equally it could just be a function of more testing = greater number of asymptomatic carriers being tested = lower death rate than when only sick people were tested

22-06-2020 02:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Deaths per million UK - 628, USA - 369

We are talking about today, and where the curve is. Not what happened in April and May (which was a massive failure)

Those citing the UK alongside Brazil and USA in many of the quarantine all travellers conversations, are also talking about the position today

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 02:20PM

BBC reporting that our contact tracing app is launching soon. Gardai have been testing its effectiveness and “The results have given health chiefs confidence to roll it out to the public.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53137816

owlbethere · 22-06-2020 02:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You have never in your life suddenly coughed without covering it, wiped your nose or had a sneeze come out of nowhere and catch you out before you could act. Everyone should endeavour to comply, but there will be times when everyone will, unbeknown to themselves and unintentionally, have a slip. We should not be so quick to label someone we judge as non compliant. You don't know any randoms persons background, history, personal circumstances or anything else for that matter so don't get so worked up. You will see someone who annoys you everyday with some non-compliance or other, and the majority of those are probably trying their best

I use a tissue when coughing or sneezing. Yes, I was caught out at times and my elbow is right there. It's not hard to Bury your face into your elbow. I was doing it long before it was recommended to the public. I was on a bus last winter and I forget what I had to do, it was either a cough or a sneeze. I opened my jacket and I put my facedown into my chest and towards the armpit direction and I used my jacket to cover myself. It really isn't hard. How troubled do you have to be anms an individual to find difficulty in something so simple?

Rob A. Bank · 22-06-2020 02:43PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Out of concern that it's a comparison of apples and oranges in your post - healthcare workers here means anyone in a healthcare setting not just the "frontline professionals". It includes environments like care homes too.

OK... point taken.

2591 nurses got infected in Ireland, which is 32.3% of the healthcare workers listed and 483 Doctors also got infected which is further 6.0% of the total.

None of the Chinese with adequate PPE in the BMJ study got infected.

My point stands about the HSE not providing adequate PPE for our Irish health professionals...

How else do you explain these terrible figures ?

Strumms · 22-06-2020 02:44PM

It’s not enough that we are trying to keep my Dad away from ‘his’ church, it’s also keeping him away from his sister who is in direct contact with homeless people though her work, who was told NOT to go to work herself as she is in a ‘high risk’ category but is going due to hounding by the church peeps with ‘guarantees’ of safety.. he now wants to do a run out to the back arse of swords with clothes for another charitable organization which has tenuous links to a priest friend of his... what the fûck do you do with people like this..

22-06-2020 02:49PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I use a tissue when coughing or sneezing. Yes, I was caught out at times and my elbow is right there. It's not hard to Bury your face into your elbow. I was doing it long before it was recommended to the public. I was on a bus last winter and I forget what I had to do, it was either a cough or a sneeze. I opened my jacket and I put my facedown into my chest and towards the armpit direction and I used my jacket to cover myself. It really isn't hard. How troubled do you have to be anms an individual to find difficulty in something so simple?

You dont know what troubles an individual coughing or sneezing in public has, that's why it is best not to get annoyed unless you know.
Also I am not saying its hard, but it is easy to get caught out - did you wash your jacket before you hung it in a cloakroom / at a desk or left it down somewhere using your own example as an example of how its not always so easy

22-06-2020 02:51PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

OK... point taken.

2591 nurses got infected in Ireland, which is 32.3% of the healthcare workers listed and 483 Doctors also got infected which is further 6.0% of the total.

None of the Chinese with adequate PPE in the BMJ study got infected.

My point stands about the HSE not providing adequate PPE for our Irish health professionals...

How else do you explain these terrible figures ?

No Chinese healthcare workers died.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51409801

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 02:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You dont know what troubles an individual coughing or sneezing in public has, that's why it is best not to get annoyed unless you know.
Also I am not saying its hard, but it is easy to get caught out - did you wash your jacket before you hung it in a cloakroom / at a desk or left it down somewhere using your own example as an example of how its not always so easy

Unless a person is missing both their arms, there's really no excuse for coughing or sneezing openly.

22-06-2020 02:56PM

https://www.timesofisrael.com/recovered-covid-19-patients-suffer-major-ongoing-physical-cognitive-problems/

Worth a read of the article in entirety. Memory issues, personality changes, lung damage that doesn't heal like regular pneumonia, blood pressure issues, impaired speech etc. Some showing up in mild cases afterwards...

Also worthy of note is that we know feck all about some viruses including some we eradicated and had experience with....polio:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-polio_syndrome
newer data from countries that have contacted their polio survivors have shown 85% of their polio survivors to have symptoms of Post Polio Syndrome.19(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-polio_syndrome#cite_note-19) On average, it occurs 30–35 years afterwards; however, delays of between 8–71 years have been recorded

is covid going to keep recurring and continually damaging people forever?
https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/coronavirus-australia-brisbane-woman-tests-positive-100-days-after-first-contracting-covid-19-c-1111222

speckle · 22-06-2020 03:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No Chinese healthcare workers died.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51409801

Sadly, he had inadequate PPE at the beginning. He thought he may have contracted very early on by having no proper protective eye wear and brought this to the attention of the world saving lives, but sadly not his own

https://www.newstalk.com/news/chinese-doctor-li-wenliang-warned-coronavirus-dies-disease-963289

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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