Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed wrote: »

Ah sure lookit, who cares about facts?!

Which facts? The genuine facts or the boards armchair expert facts?

Micky 32 wrote: »

Which facts? The genuine facts or the boards armchair expert facts?

The chances of catching the virus are MORE likely than winning the lottery. Those facts.

Micky 32 wrote: »

Which facts? The genuine facts or the boards armchair expert facts?

Genuine fact: odds on winning the Irish Lotto are 1 in 10,737,573 based on pure maths.

Benimar wrote: »

Genuine fact: odds on winning the Irish Lotto are 1 in 10,737,573 based on pure maths.

What are the odds of a non-healthcare or meat factory worker getting it now (and not in contact with either of above either)?

Not quite lottery, but must be very high.

facehugger99 wrote: »

'It's literally like' burning your house down because the washing machine is leaking .

The lockdown was never the answer. There was an easily identifiable demographic most at risk that should have been targeted. Sensible precautions amongst the rest of the population would have been more than enough to control spread. If a cost/benefit analysis is ever carried out it will show that the billions we have lost through this nonsense could have been far better spent and saved far more lives than what we decided to do. We are currently on-course to flush €2billion down the toilet this year on PPE - what a fcuking horrific waste of finite resources.

We locked down when the scenes in Italy were beyond terrifying and we had no way to know that wasn’t going to be us next. Was it the right move? Maybe, maybe not. We know not everything about the way we did things was right, and there was certainly things that could have been done differently and better, but I think maybe we won’t know for sure for years exactly how we should have handled it. We know lockdown helped though. It helped the hospitals not to collapse. It helped save lives. Yes, it had a cost. A big one. One no government in the world, certainly not ours who prided themselves so on the economy and then basically swung a sledgehammer at it, would have chosen to bring on us if they didn’t feel like there was no other option. We did what we did to try to save lives and avert disaster on a scale that would have been far more horrifying and devastating if the virus had gone out of control and ravaged Ireland.

And I’d argue that you’re not home and dry just by protecting the easily identifiable at risk population. That’s one of the things that’s terrifying about this virus- that it’s incredibly contagious and we still know SO little about it. For plenty it’s ok, if they get it they’ll recover, but then, there’s the people who on paper should be ok, shouldn’t be at any great risk, who are young/healthy/whatever, and still end up deeply ill. Wasn’t there something about a 2-week-old baby dying from it in the UK who had no other conditions just recently? I don’t know if there’s been an update to that story, if it turned out there was underlying complications they didn’t know about. Apologies if that’s the case, as it then isn’t an example of what I’m saying. But that’s not the only story like that. Young and healthy people have gotten very ill, and have died, from this virus. It’s not just the elderly and the people who have other conditions. It’s more complicated than that.

And we definitely didn’t “flush money down the toilet” on PPE. Speaking as someone who has numerous frontline doctors and nurses in my family, I am incredibly grateful for the money spent and the efforts gone to, to try and equip our healthcare workers with the protection they need.

crossman47 wrote: »

Read what he said in full. One in a million outside of known chains of infection. These chains will get longer now as people mix more.

And...? Seriously the fear mongering still goes on.. I don't know if you are happy or sad that the virus is diminishing..

Benimar wrote: »

Genuine fact: odds on winning the Irish Lotto are 1 in 10,737,573 based on pure maths.

I wasn’t reffering to one fact, i was reffering to all the facts on this thread. Btw i don’t believe you have more chance winning the lotto for what it’s worth.

Penfailed wrote: »

No. That's part of the problem with the thread. People are seeing things that aren't there.

If you see the post I quoted and the post that they quoted, it's about the lottery thing.

But lets be honest, we all know deep down it goes further than that. “ who cares about facts” has a wider meaning.

Penfailed wrote: »

'...We all know...' Except you don't. I was being specific. You read more into it, or took it out of context...or whatever.

Nah, going by your posting history i know the truth. There’s a difference between the word “fact” and “ facts” ;-). Anyway regarding the facts, goes for both sides of the bickering the armchair experts on boards should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Micky 32 wrote: »

Nah, going by your posting history i know the truth. There’s a difference between the word “fact” and “ facts” ;-). Anyway regarding the facts, goes for both sides of the bickering the armchair experts on boards should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Ah here, you know the truth...yeah. There's little point in me saying any more on the matter in that case. I'll bow out of this strand of the conversation.

setanta1984 wrote: »

Not to speak for them, but that posters post appeared to be tongue in cheek to me.

Also, we're still 9 days away from any changes. We remain the only country in the EU with internal national travel restrictions, hotels closed, bars closed, restaurants closed, hairdressers/beauticians closed, churches closed. Literally the only country. https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/IRL

So while the further speeding up is obviously very welcome, it doesn't change the fact that we are weeks and weeks and weeks behind literally every other EU country. Irrefutably.


The sniping at anyone who is annoyed at Ireland being such a massive outlier is unfair and goading for the sake of it.

Some posters never learnt the virtue of patience and the need for acceptance of things we cannot change. We've learnt new things about ourselves too in this and not all of it is good.

SNNUS wrote: »

And...? Seriously the fear mongering still goes on.. I don't know if you are happy or sad that the virus is diminishing..

I'm very glad its diminishing. But I can't understand people railing against the fact we had to lockdown. Its like those who said, after January 2000, that the whole Y2K issue was a con because planes didn't fall out of the sky. They didn't because precautions were taken. We were right to have one and seem to be exiting at about the right pace but each of us must still be extremely careful in case we get the virus and pass it on to vulnerable people.

acequion wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd share your heartening belief that people are fundamentally good. The pandemic revealed a lot about people, some good, some far from good and nowhere was that more evident than here on line.On an internet forum the veneer of civility /sociability is often stripped to a minimum and you get the real person.

The “I’m alright jack” selfish was apparent to me but I knew it was there just never had to experience so widely before. All started in early March with the panic buying of food and bog roll. So long as I’m grand then who cares about anyone else?
Right the way through these perma panicked people were the most vocal in terms of lockdown.

acequion wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd share your heartening belief that people are fundamentally good. The pandemic revealed a lot about people, some good, some far from good and nowhere was that more evident than here on line.On an internet forum the veneer of civility /sociability is often stripped to a minimum and you get the real person.

We've seen an amazing response by the public to the appeals to social distance - there's been a few gobdaws throughout this who think they are above it all, but in general people have stepped up. On the one hand most people know they could be affected by the virus personally, but in general most people have done what they did because of concern for other people in their community and families. It's been great to see.

And yes it has revealed a lot about people. It has caused me to have a think about certain business relationships where the people involved have been loudly critical of measures to control spread, and on the other hand will cause me to give more custom to some others. We found out who stepped up for our communities when the chips were down.

It's not over yet of course. Some people folded after a week or two, but most are still doing their bit to keep a bit of distance.

Can someone answer a question for me that has been wrecking my head from the start of lockdown and anyone I ask doesn’t have a clue. Why was Burger King allowed to stay open for the entirety of lockdown but every single McDonalds closed?