Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

TaurenDruid

is_that_so wrote: »

Because it generally looks like people are just protecting themselves. If they may be infected why are they out in the first place?

Because if I have a sore throat, itchy eyes and sniffles I don't know if it's covid or hayfever, or just a summer cold, and I woin't know if it's covid unless I get tested (which can only happen at my GP's recommendation), and I won't get the test results for 2 to 4 days.

So the sensible and considerate thing to do is to wear a mask.

This isn't hard and this information has been out there for weeks now.

MickeyLeari

AUDI20 wrote: »

You can still buy beer, you can Get a take away meal, You don't need to go to Church to pray and you don't need a Gym to exercise. these are mild restrictions you have pointed out, far from a lockdown

I referred to the shop situation as not so bad.

But I must saying I am finding the responses to my post as fascinating.

Stark

is_that_so wrote: »

Because it generally looks like people are just protecting themselves. If they may be infected why are they out in the first place?

Because you won't know you're infected until you develop symptoms whereas you're most at risk for spreading a couple of days before developing symptoms.

is_that_so wrote:

I find that type of claim to be a cop out TBH. If you can't evaluate immediate risks in your life you shouldn't be outside in locations where you can come in contact with people, mask or no.

Fantastic, back to lockdown for everyone so :rolleyes:

is_that_so

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Because if I have a sore throat, itchy eyes and sniffles I don't know if it's covid or hayfever, or just a summer cold, and I woin't know if it's covid unless I get tested (which can only happen at my GP's recommendation), and I won't get the test results for 2 to 4 days.

So the sensible and considerate thing to do is to wear a mask.

This isn't hard and this information has been out there for weeks now.

In that context the protocol is to self-isolate not go gallivanting with a mask on your face.

is_that_so

Stark wrote: »

Because you won't know you're infected until you develop symptoms whereas you're most at risk for spreading a couple of days before developing symptoms.

Your circumstances can help you judge that risk. It's not going to come flying in through an open window.

Fantastic, back to lockdown for everyone so :rolleyes:

Not something I mentioned, that would be from your imagination.

TaurenDruid

is_that_so wrote: »

In that context the protocol is to self-isolate not go gallivanting with a mask on your face.

No, it isn't. Or hayfever sufferers would be self isolating from March to August. And as pointed out, you can have covid for a couple of weeks without showing symptoms.

is_that_so

TaurenDruid wrote: »

No, it isn't. Or hayfever sufferers would be self isolating from March to August. And as pointed out, you can have covid for a couple of weeks without showing symptoms.

Well, if you're aiming to get a COVID test, the protocol is self-isolate. I believe some recent research has suggested that you are not infectious after 8 days.

Ficheall

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

1 in a million chance of getting it

Can we see your calculations on this, or does it come direct from your hole?

stephenjmcd

TaurenDruid wrote: »

No, it isn't. Or hayfever sufferers would be self isolating from March to August. And as pointed out, you can have covid for a couple of weeks without showing symptoms.

There's already a HSE campaign around the difference in symptoms of covid and hayfever.

SusieBlue

If the need for queueing to limit capacity continues, retail is going to be in big trouble come winter.

I was in town yesterday with a friend when out of nowhere the heavens opened and it started lashing rain.
We had no umbrellas and nowhere to go for shelter.
Usually I’d just run into a shop until the worst passed, but the shops were at capacity with queues outside and they wouldn’t let people in.

In the end we huddled under a bus stop, in close contact (2m distancing wasn’t possible) with lots of other people who were also trying to seek shelter for about 15/20 minutes until the shower passed.

Come winter when the weather is much colder and more miserable I don’t see how this is going to work. In future I’ll be keeping a closer eye to the weather forecast and won’t be going to town if there’s any chance of rain because being caught out in a downpour with nowhere to go was really annoying.
It will kill retail if this continues, the queueing just isn’t sustainable for the winter months.

stephenjmcd

Ficheall wrote: »

Can we see your calculations on this, or does it come direct from your hole?

There you go. No need to be a smart arse to the poster.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0620/1148611-coronavirus-reaction/

is_that_so

Ficheall wrote: »

Can we see your calculations on this, or does it come direct from your hole?

What I tend to do here when I feel all keyboard warrior is to get a Google link to prove that it is codswallop first!

MickeyLeari

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0620/1148611-coronavirus-reaction/

Nicely done. Reading above, one would think that the virus is rampant in the community.

I will wash my hands regularly, bring hand sanitiser with me, wear a mask on packed public transport particularly during flu season, and stay at home if sick. Covid or not all that makes sense. But the fear out there with some people is at this point in time disproportionate to the reality.

AUDI20

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I referred to the shop situation as not so bad.

But I must saying I am finding the responses to my post as fascinating.

As are your posts

MickeyLeari

AUDI20 wrote: »

As are your posts

Thanks. Appreciated.

Tipsy McSwagger

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There you go. No need to be a smart arse to the poster.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0620/1148611-coronavirus-reaction/

Cheers, now he can try and think up something even funnier than his last comment.

Ficheall

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There you go. No need to be a smart arse to the poster.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0620/1148611-coronavirus-reaction/

I'd seen that - was just wondering whether the poster had done his own calculations that might be more reliable.


Prof McConkey appears to be referring to just community transmission, as opposed to the chances of catching it in all settings, but even at that, two people per million were identified as having the virus via community transmission yesterday.
So even if he had said the chances of catching the virus on any ONE given day are "one in a million", that is still an underestimate. Over the course of a fortnight, for example, it's probably closer to 1 in 70k, even accepting his figures.

I'll agree that the chances are extremely low, for sure, but they are higher than "one in a million", and using such a phrase was not befitting for an expert.

Penfailed

SusieBlue wrote: »

...the queueing just isn’t sustainable for the winter months.

Let's hope that the virus figures this out before winter then so.

lukas8888

strange attempt at justifying your smart arse comment.

Ficheall

lukas8888 wrote: »

strange attempt at justifying your smart arse comment.

Using rudimentary mathematics?

Sincerest apologies.

SusieBlue

Penfailed wrote: »

Let's hope that the virus figures this out before winter then so.

I was thinking more along the lines of making facemasks mandatory for indoor shops and shopping centres in order to negate the need to queue at all.

I don’t particularly like them but I would wear one if it meant I didn’t have to queue in the cold and rain and get into a shop for 40 minutes, or that there would be shelter available should the weather suddenly turn bad.

_Kaiser_

So now that the Government have finally caved to pressure, and extremely worrying economic forecasts, we're finally accelerating the reopening the country - albeit still too slowly.

I think now the real damage will occur to be honest because of the ridiculous restrictions that are still being imposed on trading. It was one thing when a small business and its employees were being subsidised at home in the early phases, but many such businesses and traders will likely be crucified by the cost of the measures being imposed and this will have to be passed on of course. Then there's their customers who will question whether it's worth the hassle/expense at all and who may just continue shopping online, having friends over for dinner/drinks instead. With a reduced/no government subsidy because they are "open", I think many of these places will fold.

Leo (or at least his advisers and speech writers) has finally copped on that people just need to take responsibility for their own safety and actions. "Don't do anything stupid, use some cop on, and get on with it" would have been far more effective than the latest catchphrase/quote/acronym he came out with the other day - but I think it won't be enough as long as companies are forced to abide by rules that will severely harm their trade and increase their costs.

The numbers of deaths continue to be in single digits. It's time to reopen - fully! With no elaborate health and safety requirements, no distance (most people wouldn't be within 1m of someone they don't know anyway!) or travel restrictions (which are still technically in effect), and let employers and customers do what's right for them.

Penfailed

SusieBlue wrote: »

I was thinking more along the lines of making facemasks mandatory for indoor shops and shopping centres in order to negate the need to queue at all.

I don’t particularly like them but I would wear one if it meant I didn’t have to queue in the cold and rain and get into a shop for 40 minutes, or that there would be shelter available should the weather suddenly turn bad.

Yeah, I agree with that. You only have to read some of the comments from people here to see that mask wearing seems to be less popular than queuing though.

_Kaiser_

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah, I agree with that. You only have to read some of the comments from people here to see that mask wearing seems to be less popular than queuing though.

Still won't be wearing a mask myself. Don't use public transport, they are incredibly uncomfortable and hard to breathe in... and ultimately, there's no need at this point.

lukas8888

zero deaths 6 new cases.Ah but its the weekend lets wait until Tuesday figures are released.

is_that_so

lukas8888 wrote: »

zero deaths 6 new cases.Ah but its the weekend lets wait until Tuesday figures are released.

The trend is very much downward so even a 200% increase in cases on Tuesday will be no great cause for concern. ICU may well get to single figures next week and those in hospital to 30 or less.

acequion

SusieBlue wrote: »

I was thinking more along the lines of making facemasks mandatory for indoor shops and shopping centres in order to negate the need to queue at all.

I don’t particularly like them but I would wear one if it meant I didn’t have to queue in the cold and rain and get into a shop for 40 minutes, or that there would be shelter available should the weather suddenly turn bad.

Can you just imagine Christmas shopping in these current conditions!:eek:

SusieBlue

acequion wrote: »

Can you just imagine Christmas shopping in these current conditions!:eek:

Sure someone started an online petition a few weeks ago to cancel Christmas this year because it would be too dangerous to go Christmas shopping and if we cancelled the festivities there’d be no need to go to the shops at all, thus helping to stop the spread of the virus.
Sure what’s one year of cancelling a festive holiday when it might save one life. You couldn’t make it up.

Mr rebel

SusieBlue wrote: »

Sure someone started an online petition a few weeks ago to cancel Christmas this year because it would be too dangerous to go Christmas shopping and if we cancelled the festivities there’d be no need to go to the shops at all, thus helping to stop the spread of the virus.
Sure what’s one year of cancelling a festive holiday when it might save one life. You couldn’t make it up.

Well to be fair, Santa would qualify as being in the vulnerable age group. Better to keep him safe for one year rather than risk losing him forever!
I’m sure the kiddies would understand.

Jayesdiem

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So now that the Government have finally caved to pressure, and extremely worrying economic forecasts, we're finally accelerating the reopening the country - albeit still too slowly.

I think now the real damage will occur to be honest because of the ridiculous restrictions that are still being imposed on trading. It was one thing when a small business and its employees were being subsidised at home in the early phases, but many such businesses and traders will likely be crucified by the cost of the measures being imposed and this will have to be passed on of course. Then there's their customers who will question whether it's worth the hassle/expense at all and who may just continue shopping online, having friends over for dinner/drinks instead. With a reduced/no government subsidy because they are "open", I think many of these places will fold.

Leo (or at least his advisers and speech writers) has finally copped on that people just need to take responsibility for their own safety and actions. "Don't do anything stupid, use some cop on, and get on with it" would have been far more effective than the latest catchphrase/quote/acronym he came out with the other day - but I think it won't be enough as long as companies are forced to abide by rules that will severely harm their trade and increase their costs.

The numbers of deaths continue to be in single digits. It's time to reopen - fully! With no elaborate health and safety requirements, no distance (most people wouldn't be within 1m of someone they don't know anyway!) or travel restrictions (which are still technically in effect), and let employers and customers do what's right for them.

Dead right with all of that. Unfortunately for me, I’ve spent pretty much the last two weeks banned because I share your opinions (which are the wrong opinions here - come get me for a third time mod, idgaf). For many small businesses, the damage has been done now and it’s all too late. There was a window of time within which the government could have acted to minimise the damage but that’s passed now. They can take as long as they want because it doesn’t fcking matter. I was reading a Financial Times article during my exile on where Europe now stands in terms of countries opening back up to tourists. At first it made for good reading: Spain, early June, Italy, early June, Portugal etc etc, Ireland: “the Irish government have implored tourists not to come to their country, there will be no tourists in Ireland this summer etc etc”. I was shocked but far more embarrassed. The nonchalant way in which the words were written as if we can afford to be so selective at this nightmarish time. Mind you if they did come here, they wouldn’t be met with much to do. When the pubs reopen, and if I am asked to wear a mask, as has been rumoured, I will just go elsewhere. If elsewhere also makes that demand, I will go home and that is where I will drink and socialise until these outrageous measures are obliterated.