Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Benimar · 20-06-2020 12:00AM

RoryMac wrote: »

According to Tony we can decide ourselves if we're comfortable with the environment

In fairness, you are taking that out of context.

He said the onus was on everyone and we had to decide if we would enter a premises for ourselves. He’s trying to encourage us to make our own decisions and not enter somewhere that looks like it’s not adhering to guidelines.

He even mentioned going into somewhere that looked like it was following guidelines and not going in if it looked too crowded.

Basically, they are hoping businesses adhere to guidelines while saying it’s not right that as individuals we ignore them if the business is ignoring them.

Jim.s · 20-06-2020 12:19AM

Any news on swimming pools and kids soccer matches

I assume kids matches will be resumed when school starts

Blanco100 · 20-06-2020 02:29AM

Benimar wrote: »

I think he just fcuked up the answer.

He was trying to say that it’s not as simple as saying everything is 2m or 1m. My reading of the documents that have come out is that 2m is still the norm, but can be reduced to 1m of other precautions are taken ie: everyone seated, less than 2 hours together etc.

This is the kinda **** that confuses people. Its a PR exercise now in "how to open the country without looking like we don't care about peoples welfare".

2m becomes 1m if other precautions are taken? So sitting down beside someone who is one meter away for less than 2 hours is an extra precaution?

All of this social distancing will be eroded in 4 weeks max, regardless of whether there is a second wave or not because the various employers/interest groups are getting fed up and upping the pressure on government.

RoryMac · 20-06-2020 02:41AM

Benimar wrote: »

In fairness, you are taking that out of context.

He said the onus was on everyone and we had to decide if we would enter a premises for ourselves. He’s trying to encourage us to make our own decisions and not enter somewhere that looks like it’s not adhering to guidelines.

He even mentioned going into somewhere that looked like it was following guidelines and not going in if it looked too crowded.

Basically, they are hoping businesses adhere to guidelines while saying it’s not right that as individuals we ignore them if the business is ignoring them.

The social distancing aspect is the single most important measure in place for the general public to stop the spread of the virus, the guy in charge of the policy was asked a simple question if social distancing for restaurants opening on the 29th of June was still at 2m or 1m and said pretty much exactly as you outlined above, onus on individuals..

The question couldn't be more simple, the fact that he went off on a tangent without answering the question implies something has changed. He has been very clear up to this point on the 2m guidelines.

I don't think I was taking it out of context, what he said didn't answer the question on as I said the single most important part measure to control the spread of the virus

joeguevara · 20-06-2020 04:22AM

RoryMac wrote: »

The social distancing aspect is the single most important measure in place for the general public to stop the spread of the virus, the guy in charge of the policy was asked a simple question if social distancing for restaurants opening on the 29th of June was still at 2m or 1m and said pretty much exactly as you outlined above, onus on individuals..

The question couldn't be more simple, the fact that he went off on a tangent without answering the question implies something has changed. He has been very clear up to this point on the 2m guidelines.

I don't think I was taking it out of context, what he said didn't answer the question on as I said the single most important part measure to control the spread of the virus

The issue is that nothing is stagnant. The experts change recommendations based on current knowledge. Similar to masks and ibuprofen.

Also the behaviour is important to determine distancing. Quite a good article on it here. https://www.thejournal.ie/physical-distancing-risk-social-schools-who-coronavirus-5109886-May2020/

Heckler · 20-06-2020 06:38AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

there was a one in a million chance back at the start of march too...

Yeah and how we have learned since then. Its pretty much self regulatory now. The police have no authority to stop anyone traveling around the country. Every restriction is an advisory in effect. There's nobody going around with a measuring tape and a stick to beat you with if you're not staying 2m from the person nearest you. Nobody standing outside your house handing out face masks.

People in the main are responsible and will adhere to the advice as much as they can without being crippled with a fear of a virus of which the effects are negligible to the majority of the population and have been from the start. No disrespect to those that have died and their families. More people will die because of the stopping of cancer screening services than of Covid-19.

Benimar · 20-06-2020 08:37AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

This is the kinda **** that confuses people. Its a PR exercise now in "how to open the country without looking like we don't care about peoples welfare".

2m becomes 1m if other precautions are taken? So sitting down beside someone who is one meter away for less than 2 hours is an extra precaution?

All of this social distancing will be eroded in 4 weeks max, regardless of whether there is a second wave or not because the various employers/interest groups are getting fed up and upping the pressure on government.

Oh, I agree with you. If the guidance is 2m it should be 2m everywhere. I’m just saying what the ‘thinking’ is.

It is blindingly obvious that the lobby groups won out over health advice 2 weeks ago.

Benimar · 20-06-2020 08:46AM

RoryMac wrote: »

The social distancing aspect is the single most important measure in place for the general public to stop the spread of the virus, the guy in charge of the policy was asked a simple question if social distancing for restaurants opening on the 29th of June was still at 2m or 1m and said pretty much exactly as you outlined above, onus on individuals..

The question couldn't be more simple, the fact that he went off on a tangent without answering the question implies something has changed. He has been very clear up to this point on the 2m guidelines.

I don't think I was taking it out of context, what he said didn't answer the question on as I said the single most important part measure to control the spread of the virus

I’m not disagreeing with you, in fact I think the answer should be 2m as SD is the most important measure as you say.

Unfortunately, the lobby groups have won and now there is a mish mash of advice around SD to allow places to open. Businesses shouldn’t have been allowed open unless that can adhere to current SD regs.

Assetbacked · 20-06-2020 09:56AM

Benimar wrote: »

I’m not disagreeing with you, in fact I think the answer should be 2m as SD is the most important measure as you say.

Unfortunately, the lobby groups have won and now there is a mish mash of advice around SD to allow places to open. Businesses shouldn’t have been allowed open unless that can adhere to current SD regs.

How long should SD apply?

is_that_so · 20-06-2020 10:01AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

How long should SD apply?

Until we're told that it doesn't. I can see the 2m to 1m change over the next while but very hard to guess at full elimination of it.

Benimar · 20-06-2020 10:29AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

How long should SD apply?

is_that_so wrote: »

Until we're told that it doesn't. I can see the 2m to 1m change over the next while but very hard to guess at full elimination of it.

I'd agree with is_that_so.

SD is here to stay for a while - maybe at 1m rather than 2m, but I don't see anything to suggest the reduction is coming in the next few weeks.

Penfailed · 20-06-2020 11:43AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Hello all! Did Leo Varadkar reference Mean Girls this evening in his speech....

I think we should reopen fully, cases are minimal for weeks. George Lee is on RTÉ trying to hype up the fear as per usual - ‘people might not want to go into the pub/restaurant/hairdresser?!’ Seriously?! He should’ve seen my local park this afternoon!

What has an open air space like a park got in common with an enclosed space like a pub/restaurant/hairdresser? It's a fact that there will be people that will avoid them and other people won't. Personal choice.

Penfailed · 20-06-2020 11:46AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Reopening is too slow

Back at the start of these phases the mantra was that, 'reopening is too slow, it needs to be sped up'. Now that reopening has been sped up, by quite a lot, the mantra is still, 'reopening is too slow'...

Benimar · 20-06-2020 11:57AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Back at the start of these phases the mantra was that, 'reopening is too slow, it needs to be sped up'. Now that reopening has been sped up, by quite a lot, the mantra is still, 'reopening is too slow'...

Leo: 'We are going to reopen everything tomorrow, with no restrictions'

Random Boards.ie 'expert': 'Thats too slow, it needs to be open NOW! Right now, this minute, not a second later!'

setanta1984 · 20-06-2020 12:13PM

Not to speak for them, but that posters post appeared to be tongue in cheek to me.

Also, we're still 9 days away from any changes. We remain the only country in the EU with internal national travel restrictions, hotels closed, bars closed, restaurants closed, hairdressers/beauticians closed, churches closed. Literally the only country. https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/IRL

So while the further speeding up is obviously very welcome, it doesn't change the fact that we are weeks and weeks and weeks behind literally every other EU country. Irrefutably.

The sniping at anyone who is annoyed at Ireland being such a massive outlier is unfair and goading for the sake of it.

Micky 32 · 20-06-2020 12:23PM

Lads make sure ye wash your hands thoroughly after all the high fives ;-)

facehugger99 · 20-06-2020 12:50PM

16 people in ICU and chances of catching the virus less likely than winning the lottery - what a farce we still have some businesses closed.

The hysterical overreaction to a virus that posed fcuk all danger to the vast majority has cost this country billions.

The nonsense and fear-mongering indulged on this site and in the media in general has been both nauseating and embarrassing to witness.

We will pay for all this ****e over the coming years, thousands of lives will be lost and destroyed.

Penfailed · 20-06-2020 12:51PM

Just a heads up for all those jetting off to foreign climes for a wee getaway - currently, you cannot get travel insurance.

stephenjmcd · 20-06-2020 01:04PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Just a heads up for all those jetting off to foreign climes for a wee getaway - currently, you cannot get travel insurance.

Sure what does it matter ? If your in the EU your covered for any hospitals should you need them.

ZX7R · 20-06-2020 01:10PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure what does it matter ? If your in the EU your covered for any hospitals should you need them.

Yep the fee EU medical health insurance card will cover you medically

Charles Babbage · 20-06-2020 01:13PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

The sniping at anyone who is annoyed at Ireland being such a massive outlier is unfair and goading for the sake of it.

Some people think we should get rid of the virus and then open up, the situation in other countries is neither here nor there in his calculation. Other people don't care what the health consequences of their going to the pub is.

joeguevara · 20-06-2020 01:25PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

16 people in ICU and chances of catching the virus less likely than winning the lottery - what a farce we still have some businesses closed.

The hysterical overreaction to a virus that posed fcuk all danger to the vast majority has cost this country billions.

The nonsense and fear-mongering indulged on this site and in the media in general has been both nauseating and embarrassing to witness.

We will pay for all this ****e over the coming years, thousands of lives will be lost and destroyed.

Do you see any link to the amount of people and chances of infection with the lockdown measures. Do you believe that the amount of people in ICU and chance of infection would be the same if we didn’t take those measures. Do you not believe the deaths in Italy Spain Iran turkey Russia Brazil etc.

It’s literally like saying why did I bother getting a rabies shot, sure didn’t I not get rabies after the rabid dog bit me.

Penfailed · 20-06-2020 01:34PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure what does it matter ? If your in the EU your covered for any hospitals should you need them.

You do know that travel insurance covers more than medical issues, yeah?

crossman47 · 20-06-2020 01:42PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

16 people in ICU and chances of catching the virus less likely than winning the lottery - what a farce we still have some businesses closed.

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I don't fancy your chances in terms of measuring probability. Far more chance for the foreseeable future of catching the virus than winning the lottery. Do you think 16 people win it every day?

joeguevara · 20-06-2020 01:48PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Just a heads up for all those jetting off to foreign climes for a wee getaway - currently, you cannot get travel insurance.

Blue insurance with travel disruption will cover any emergency medical expenses and extra travel and accommodation costs related to Covid as long as there is no travel warning from the DFA. It won’t cover loss of earnings but a good few of the standard policies wouldn’t anyway. Any policy purchased prior to The Irish lockdown are not effected.

facehugger99 · 20-06-2020 01:49PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Do you see any link to the amount of people and chances of infection with the lockdown measures. Do you believe that the amount of people in ICU and chance of infection would be the same if we didn’t take those measures. Do you not believe the deaths in Italy Spain Iran turkey Russia Brazil etc.

It’s literally like saying why did I bother getting a rabies shot, sure didn’t I not get rabies after the rabid dog bit me.

'It's literally like' burning your house down because the washing machine is leaking .

The lockdown was never the answer. There was an easily identifiable demographic most at risk that should have been targeted. Sensible precautions amongst the rest of the population would have been more than enough to control spread. If a cost/benefit analysis is ever carried out it will show that the billions we have lost through this nonsense could have been far better spent and saved far more lives than what we decided to do. We are currently on-course to flush €2billion down the toilet this year on PPE - what a fcuking horrific waste of finite resources.

deisedevil · 20-06-2020 01:51PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

'It's literally like' burning your house down because the washing machine is leaking .

The lockdown was never the answer. There was an easily identifiable demographic most at risk that should have been targeted. Sensible precautions amongst the rest of the population would have been more than enough to control spread. If a cost/benefit analysis is ever carried out it will show that the billions we have lost through this nonsense could have been far better spent and saved far more lives than what we decided to do. We are currently on-course to flush €2billion down the toilet this year on PPE - what a fcuking horrific waste of finite resources.

The top minds in the world all have it wrong and you have it figured.

Penfailed · 20-06-2020 01:53PM

deisedevil wrote: »

The top minds in the world all have it wrong and you have it figured.

...yeah...with the benefit of hindsight too! Amazing.

joeguevara · 20-06-2020 01:59PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

'It's literally like' burning your house down because the washing machine is leaking .

The lockdown was never the answer. There was an easily identifiable demographic most at risk that should have been targeted. Sensible precautions amongst the rest of the population would have been more than enough to control spread. If a cost/benefit analysis is ever carried out it will show that the billions we have lost through this nonsense could have been far better spent and saved far more lives than what we decided to do. We are currently on-course to flush €2billion down the toilet this year on PPE - what a fcuking horrific waste of finite resources.

And what if what you are saying didn’t work and it caused the deaths of people who didn’t fit into your spreadsheet. The Italian prime minister is facing a public investigation for criminal negligence. Based on the information available on a brand new virus and witnessing the death toll from other countries and following where it worked a plan was put in place. I don’t understand what you are saying about losing 2 billion on ppe. Were they not required by every worker in hospitals.

Here is the link on the Italian PM https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/10/italian-pm-giuseppe-conte-faces-questions-from-families-over-covid-19-errors

It actually is more akin to closing the barn door before the horse bolted.

s1ippy · 20-06-2020 02:02PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

chances of catching the virus less likely than winning the lottery -

Just not the case at all.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings