Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

18-06-2020 11:12AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Top Cork publican will not reopen pubs under 'codswallop' new guidelines

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Top-Cork-publican-will-not-reopen-pubs-under-codswallop-new-guidelines-c9b937c8-011e-4c2e-993e-e3bce80cef31-ds

The biggest concern is what happens on 20th July? Will there those guidelines remain in place or some other ridiculous rules?

setanta1984 · 18-06-2020 11:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Really feel that eventually all of this will come to an ugly head at some point. Either the economy will dictate that we simply have to get back to normal. Or people will end up protesting.

We have to get back to normal anyway. Otherwise what's the point in anything?

How long do people want and expect these debilitating restrictions on business and life to go on for? Is it indefinitely until a (potentially never to arrive) vaccine?

If the answer is no to keeping these "regulations" until a vaccine, then when exactly can we go back?
We're down to single figure daily cases now. What exactly is going to be so different in 4 weeks time, or whatever arbitrary time frame you want to choose? There seems to be an unrealistic expectation now that daily cases can go to zero and stay there and thats the only way life can return. This is beyond unrealistic.

It all smacks of window dressing to avoid backlash from people who have been scared witless for months.

setanta1984 · 18-06-2020 11:13AM

I was in a hospital for the first time during the week, and this is what swung it for me. Walking through the corridors, all the staff and whoever else, at most 30% were wearing masks. "Social distancing" basically non-existent. People sitting in cafes like normal. People chatting away in groups. This is one of the only environments where there may actually be a small chance of catching it. Either it's required everywhere or it's not??
I was able to walk in off the street through a major hospital with no mask etc. and go where I want but there's this big rigamarole in a clothes shop or restaurant? Come on.

18-06-2020 11:19AM

setanta1984 wrote: »

We have to get back to normal anyway. Otherwise what's the point in anything?

How long do people want and expect these debilitating restrictions on business and life to go on for? Is it indefinitely until a (potentially never to arrive) vaccine?

If the answer is no to keeping these "regulations" until a vaccine, then when exactly can we go back?
We're down to single figure daily cases now. What exactly is going to be so different in 4 weeks time, or whatever arbitrary time frame you want to choose? There seems to be an unrealistic expectation now that daily cases can go to zero and stay there and thats the only way life can return. This is beyond unrealistic.

It all smacks of window dressing to avoid backlash from people who have been scared witless for months.

I think when the Covid payments end and the bank start ending the payment holidays... that will be a real turning point.

People will have bigger things to worry about than Covid 19 at that point.

facehugger99 · 18-06-2020 11:44AM

setanta1984 wrote: »

I was in a hospital for the first time during the week, and this is what swung it for me. Walking through the corridors, all the staff and whoever else, at most 30% were wearing masks. "Social distancing" basically non-existent. People sitting in cafes like normal. People chatting away in groups. This is one of the only environments where there may actually be a small chance of catching it. Either it's required everywhere or it's not??
I was able to walk in off the street through a major hospital with no mask etc. and go where I want but there's this big rigamarole in a clothes shop or restaurant? Come on.

What is even more staggering is the amount we have spent on PPE - over €1 billion so far!

Has anyone done a cost benefit analysis of what we're getting out of this colossal amount of money? Remember when everyone was aghast at spending €2 billion on a hospital to treat sick children and now we're heading on course to spend the same amount on disposable PPE this year!!??

And now Government are focused on belching out realms of bureaucratic nonsense that will make it impossible for private sector business to get back trading again

What in the name of fcuk is going on in this country?

yosemitesam1 · 18-06-2020 11:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think when the Covid payments end and the bank start ending the payment holidays... that will be a real turning point.

People will have bigger things to worry about than Covid 19 at that point.

Don't forget the job losses, the negative effects of restrictions aren't hitting people hard enough to force them to really question is it worth it

bush · 18-06-2020 11:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Or most likely, rules will be largely ignored and the garda will pick on some soft targets.

Ye I think this will happen very fast, who wants to go out like that. I was was in a q outside a supermarket the other day 20 metres from the door and the woman shouts at me to stand back out of the way. Who wants that?

Onesea · 18-06-2020 11:48AM

Have tuned out for a few weeks, today I spot on fb the requirements for pub reopening.

Am I alone in thinking there is no logic? It's getting a bit long in the tooth at this stage.

Onesea · 18-06-2020 11:51AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

What is even more staggering is the amount we have spent on PPE - over €1 billion so far!

Has anyone done a cost benefit analysis of what we're getting out of this colossal amount of money? Remember when everyone was aghast at spending €2 billion on a hospital to treat sick children and now we're heading on course to spend the same amount on disposable PPE this year!!??

And now Government are focused on belching out realms of bureaucratic nonsense that will make it impossible for private sector business to get back trading again

What in the name of fcuk is going on in this country?

X2 a330 are seemingly 8n constant flight between Beijing and Dublin. A never ending stream of ppe.. But where is all of this being used? Any media questioning the rational?

bb1234567 · 18-06-2020 11:51AM

setanta1984 wrote: »

I was in a hospital for the first time during the week, and this is what swung it for me. Walking through the corridors, all the staff and whoever else, at most 30% were wearing masks. "Social distancing" basically non-existent. People sitting in cafes like normal. People chatting away in groups. This is one of the only environments where there may actually be a small chance of catching it. Either it's required everywhere or it's not??
I was able to walk in off the street through a major hospital with no mask etc. and go where I want but there's this big rigamarole in a clothes shop or restaurant? Come on.

Wow, that sounds like a joke. A hospital is probably the most likely route that the virus might potentially escape and re-enter the community from.

We have sacrificed so much as a country to only piss it down the drain by falling at the last hurdle with things like this

Onesea · 18-06-2020 11:52AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

What is even more staggering is the amount we have spent on PPE - over €1 billion so far!

Has anyone done a cost benefit analysis of what we're getting out of this colossal amount of money? Remember when everyone was aghast at spending €2 billion on a hospital to treat sick children and now we're heading on course to spend the same amount on disposable PPE this year!!??

And now Government are focused on belching out realms of bureaucratic nonsense that will make it impossible for private sector business to get back trading again

What in the name of fcuk is going on in this country?

X2 a330 are seemingly 8n constant flight between Beijing and Dublin. A never ending stream of ppe.. But where is all of this being used? Any media questioning the rational?

Onesea · 18-06-2020 11:55AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Wow, that sounds like a joke. A hospital is probably the most likely route that the virus might potentially escape and re-enter the community from. Crazy to think how easily that might occur with restrictions as light as those described above

The virus isn't a captive fugitive, it can be anywhere. Hospitals to me would be a safer bet than a large retail cloths shop with people banging into each other.

The protests, have they impacted the numbers or do we have to wait a month just to be certain.

acequion · 18-06-2020 12:06PM

I'm glad to see more and more people on this thread questioning the logic of all the restrictions and rightly being more worried about the business of life in the future than catching Covid.

I've been accused by some of not following restrictions because I'm all for the careful and sensible easing of restrictions. I personally have gone nowhere since mid March as I've been able to work from home and the one and only weekly outing has been to the supermarket.

I would have liked to have a look at the shops since they reopened but it's all more trouble than it's worth. Queues to get in, no browsing, no trying on. I really want to support local businesses but with such hassle?? I don't go to pubs but totally empathise with the dismay of pub goers.

Ireland is generally a hot bed of red tape and restrictions but this whole convoluted road map to the "new normal" is sounding more and more abnormal. Like another poster, I'm not watching the news so much anymore, not tuning in here as much. And that's for my own sanity as I try to navigate this madness. Hopefully some sense will prevail in the not too distant future.

hamburgham · 18-06-2020 12:30PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Top Cork publican will not reopen pubs under 'codswallop' new guidelines

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Top-Cork-publican-will-not-reopen-pubs-under-codswallop-new-guidelines-c9b937c8-011e-4c2e-993e-e3bce80cef31-ds

"crime scene signage" LOL

Ginger n Lemon · 18-06-2020 12:31PM

Bad news

"Sun holiday setback as quarantine rule to stay and travel restrictions extended
Travel restrictions for Irish airports will be extended for another three weeks

Families hoping to jet off on sun holidays after lockdown have been served a fresh blow as it has emerged travel restrictions for Irish airports will be extended for another three weeks.

Laws requiring passengers arriving in Ireland to tell authorities where they will be quarantining for two weeks after arrival will be extended until July 9. The move means anyone hoping to travel abroad will still be asked to self-isolate for two weeks after they return until early next month.

This would mean they would not be able to go back to work for a fortnight after they returned from their holidays.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sun-holiday-setback-as-quarantine-rule-to-stay-and-travel-restrictions-extended-39295057.html

Can someone explain why this is happening? To promote tourism in Ireland?

What happened with "we need to flatten the curve"? That was over and done with 2nd week of May.

This is just retar*ed beyond belief. Over 150,000 work in tourism sector, now we know that legally you dont need to quarantine, just need to fill out a form, but a foreign tourist with bad English will actually think that there is a legal quarantine requirement when googling holidays in Ireland...

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 12:33PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

The pub I run is the latest casualty of this unworkable madness. Owner won't be reopening as in his words 'its not worth it with all this red tape'

Better off waiting until this phase of operating as restaurants is over and aim for 20th July

hmmm · 18-06-2020 12:48PM

Onesea wrote: »

X2 a330 are seemingly 8n constant flight between Beijing and Dublin. A never ending stream of ppe.. But where is all of this being used? Any media questioning the rational?

We are stockpiling for Autumn/Winter, and looking to avoid the desperate race to get PPE earlier in the year.

jonnny68 · 18-06-2020 12:50PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Bad news

"Sun holiday setback as quarantine rule to stay and travel restrictions extended
Travel restrictions for Irish airports will be extended for another three weeks

Families hoping to jet off on sun holidays after lockdown have been served a fresh blow as it has emerged travel restrictions for Irish airports will be extended for another three weeks.

Laws requiring passengers arriving in Ireland to tell authorities where they will be quarantining for two weeks after arrival will be extended until July 9. The move means anyone hoping to travel abroad will still be asked to self-isolate for two weeks after they return until early next month.

This would mean they would not be able to go back to work for a fortnight after they returned from their holidays.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sun-holiday-setback-as-quarantine-rule-to-stay-and-travel-restrictions-extended-39295057.html

Can someone explain why this is happening? To promote tourism in Ireland?

What happened with "we need to flatten the curve"? That was over and done with 2nd week of May.

This is just retar*ed beyond belief. Over 150,000 work in tourism sector, now we know that legally you dont need to quarantine, just need to fill out a form, but a foreign tourist with bad English will actually think that there is a legal quarantine requirement when googling holidays in Ireland...

an absolute and utter farce is right, ive had to fork out a load of money for a one way flight for an easy jet flight to Belfast from England then a coach onto Dublin not to mention train fares to avoid this ridiculous restriction.

hmmm · 18-06-2020 12:51PM

bush wrote: »

Ye I think this will happen very fast, who wants to go out like that. I was was in a q outside a supermarket the other day 20 metres from the door and the woman shouts at me to stand back out of the way. Who wants that?

88% of people according to the most recent survey.

Only 12% of the people surveyed thought we were re-opening too slowly.

If people are shouting at you to do something, maybe it's worth considering things from their point of view every now and again.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 12:51PM

jonnny68 wrote: »

an absolute and utter farce is right, ive had to fork out a load of money for a one way flight for an easy jet flight to Belfast from England then a coach onto Dublin not to mention train fares to avoid this ridiculous restriction.

Sure you could have just flown into Dublin and just filled in the form. Its the only mandatory part

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 12:52PM

Onesea wrote: »

X2 a330 are seemingly 8n constant flight between Beijing and Dublin. A never ending stream of ppe.. But where is all of this being used? Any media questioning the rational?

All down to current demand and that huge deal for €230m. Even the recent visit by the giant Antonov delivered just 12 days of supplies, according to the HSE.

https://www.thejournal.ie/worlds-largest-plane-ireland-ppe-delivery-5119008-Jun2020/

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 12:54PM

hmmm wrote: »

88% of people according to the most recent survey.

Only 12% of the people surveyed thought we were re-opening too slowly.

If people are shouting at you to do something, maybe it's worth considering things from their point of view every now and again.

We should all reflect on how we're behaving out there.

18-06-2020 01:02PM

acequion wrote: »

I'm glad to see more and more people on this thread questioning the logic of all the restrictions and rightly being more worried about the business of life in the future than catching Covid.

I've been accused by some of not following restrictions because I'm all for the careful and sensible easing of restrictions. I personally have gone nowhere since mid March as I've been able to work from home and the one and only weekly outing has been to the supermarket.

I would have liked to have a look at the shops since they reopened but it's all more trouble than it's worth. Queues to get in, no browsing, no trying on. I really want to support local businesses but with such hassle?? I don't go to pubs but totally empathise with the dismay of pub goers.

Ireland is generally a hot bed of red tape and restrictions but this whole convoluted road map to the "new normal" is sounding more and more abnormal. Like another poster, I'm not watching the news so much anymore, not tuning in here as much. And that's for my own sanity as I try to navigate this madness. Hopefully some sense will prevail in the not too distant future.

Fully agree with this. I'd love to be able to head out to the shops and pick up some new clothes, get a haircut, sit down for a meal, drink a few pints and have some normality.

But with all the restrictions in place, its just too much hassle.

I don't want to sit in a hairdressers watching a guy in full PPE and a face mask coming at me. No thanks.

I don't want to queue to get into a shop and be told what way I'm supposed to walk and be warned not to try anything on. Then have an awkward encounter behind a big plastic visor.

I don't want to go to book a table to go to the pub and have to spend at least 9 euro on some pub grub as an excuse to have a few pints.

Its all ridiculous nonsense. These businesses are sadly going to fail if this carries on. People will deal with it initially. But the novelty will quickly wear off.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 01:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Fully agree with this. I'd love to be able to head out to the shops and pick up some new clothes, get a haircut, sit down for a meal, drink a few pints and have some normality.

But with all the restrictions in place, its just too much hassle.

I don't want to sit in a hairdressers watching a guy in full PPE and a face mask coming at me. No thanks.

I don't want to queue to get into a shop and be told what way I'm supposed to walk and be warned not to try anything on. Then have an awkward encounter behind a big plastic visor.

I don't want to go to book a table to go to the pub and have to spend at least 9 euro on some pub grub as an excuse to have a few pints.

Its all ridiculous nonsense. These businesses are sadly going to fail if this carries on. People will deal with it initially. But the novelty will quickly wear off.

Well for the pub part just wait until 20th July and you can go for a few pints without the need for the meal.

But overall I fully get where your coming from

NotMOL · 18-06-2020 01:10PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure you could have just flown into Dublin and just filled in the form. Its the only mandatory part

I wonder what would happen if you accidentally put down the wrong number and address? I doubt they would go chase the person

Deeper Blue · 18-06-2020 01:35PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Top Cork publican will not reopen pubs under 'codswallop' new guidelines

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Top-Cork-publican-will-not-reopen-pubs-under-codswallop-new-guidelines-c9b937c8-011e-4c2e-993e-e3bce80cef31-ds

Will they not be expected to put up perspex screens in phase 4 too?

Onesea · 18-06-2020 01:41PM

hmmm wrote: »

We are stockpiling for Autumn/Winter, and looking to avoid the desperate race to get PPE earlier in the year.

A cargo ship would have suited that job better

TaurenDruid · 18-06-2020 01:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Fully agree with this. I'd love to be able to head out to the shops and pick up some new clothes, get a haircut, sit down for a meal, drink a few pints and have some normality.

But with all the restrictions in place, its just too much hassle.

I don't want to sit in a hairdressers watching a guy in full PPE and a face mask coming at me. No thanks.

I don't want to queue to get into a shop and be told what way I'm supposed to walk and be warned not to try anything on. Then have an awkward encounter behind a big plastic visor.

I don't want to go to book a table to go to the pub and have to spend at least 9 euro on some pub grub as an excuse to have a few pints.

Its all ridiculous nonsense. These businesses are sadly going to fail if this carries on. People will deal with it initially. But the novelty will quickly wear off.

Thankfully we already know that the restrictions being put in place to save people's lives will be lifted by degrees, every three weeks, and faster if the evidence points to that being possible to do safely. Because the absolute inhumanity of you maybe having to bring something that doesn't fit is obviously worth way more than the lives and health of your fellow shoppers and the shop workers. :rolleyes:

JFC.

Bredabe · 18-06-2020 01:43PM

Anyone know or have any idea, when intercounty travel will be allowed? Counties outside of the 20k border range that is.

Ginger n Lemon · 18-06-2020 01:46PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Thankfully we already know that the restrictions being put in place to save people's lives will be lifted by degrees, every three weeks, and faster if the evidence points to that being possible to do safely. Because the absolute inhumanity of you maybe having to bring something that doesn't fit is obviously worth way more than the lives and health of your fellow shoppers and the shop workers. :rolleyes:

JFC.

:rolleyes:

Someone wanting to be normal is inhuman now?

You forgot to mention "new normal" in your post there.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings