Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

zerosugarbuzz

rob316 wrote: »

As I predicted all along everything open by July. It's a necessity, the country is been bled dry.

You and half the rest of the country

MickeyLeari

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No it wasn't, bars, shopping centres etc were all not due to open until 10th August, even at that large spectator sports won't be allowed past August

August 2024?

uli84

Apologies, stopped following all that, any news on cancer/diabetic retina screenings like the actual date? Assuming 29th?

stephenjmcd

MickeyLeari wrote: »

August 2024?

Quite possibly at the initial speed that we moved at haha

Leo was hinting at 5k crowds at outdoor events from September the other day so you'd be able to get some GAA crowds back in along with most League of Ireland ones too. It'd be a start

is_that_so

uli84 wrote: »

Apologies, stopped following all that, any news on cancer/diabetic retina screenings like the actual date? Assuming 29th?

They haven't been absolutely specific on dates just yet but you can probably expect details about then.

Mitch Connor

mean gene wrote: »

Great point sums it up really if they ain't doing it in a hospital why do we have to behave like lepers going for a pint

My SIL was nearly shoved out the door of the hospital while in the middle of scrubbing up and putting on PPE to go visit her *very* sick mother because she didn't have a visitor pass to allow her into the hospital (because there were simply no passes the previous day and she was to collect it off the ward during that visit).

This was on Wednesday.

Not everywhere is the same. that hospital, and the one my wife works in are VERY strict on adherance to Covid-19 protocols.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

Hahaha! Total breakdown of society now is it?!

Did you read the posts at all?
Golden Girl was stating that lives are more important than employment.
I simply educated her to the type of world we'd live in without employment.

GocRh

Very good (and official!) website to compare COVID-19 restrictions across the EU

https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/IRL

Ireland is the only EU country with significant restrictions to services.
Only EU country in red on the map.

setanta1984

GocRh wrote: »

Very good (and official!) website to compare COVID-19 restrictions across the EU

https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/IRL

Ireland is the only EU country with significant restrictions to services.
Only EU country in red on the map.

And the only country in the EU with restaurants, bars, hotels, hairdressers, churches still closed. Unbelievable.

How anyone can justify us being the only EU country in this state is beyond me. It's infuriating when you see it mapped out like that.

acequion

setanta1984 wrote: »

And the only country in the EU with restaurants, bars, hotels, hairdressers, churches still closed. Unbelievable.

How anyone can justify us being the only EU country in this state is beyond me. It's infuriating when you see it mapped out like that.

Totally 100% agree. But as you can see loads do try to justify it. I wonder how they'll all feel when the rounds of austerity get going. Not so long since we were all in that dark hole, horrendous to think we might be going back there.

GocRh

GocRh wrote: »

Very good (and official!) website to compare COVID-19 restrictions across the EU

https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/IRL

Ireland is the only EU country with significant restrictions to services.
Only EU country in red on the map.

Its actually incredible to see that.

And I can guarantee they all reopened without much hassle.

Whereas in Ireland, we've had really strange travel restrictions such as 2km, 5km, 20km. No other country seemed to have that. (We still do its just not enforceable anymore)

Then we had the laughable homeware vs hardware typo

Now we have the pubs can open but you need to have a substantial meal, the meal must cost at least 9 euro and you can only stay for 1 hour and 45 mins.

And somehow public support for the Leo/FG has increased!

skelly22

GocRh wrote: »

Very good (and official!) website to compare COVID-19 restrictions across the EU

https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/IRL

Ireland is the only EU country with significant restrictions to services.
Only EU country in red on the map.

Thanks for that. Even if you remove the economic argument for lifting restrictions from the equation, the issue of restrictions to our healthcare is indefensible. And you can't defend the indefensible.

setanta1984

I'd kind of gotten over the ridiculous plan we had and just accepted the bringing things forward a bit as the best of a bad situation, but exploring that map further has me quite angry all over again.
The government/nphet, whoever, should be shown that map and the dates each country moved from red and be made accountable and justify Ireland's situation in comparison with the entire EU. It's actually farcical the situation that has developed over the last 7 weeks.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

When pubs reopen on 20th of July, will there also be a time limit like there is now from 29th June on restaurants and bars that serve food?

giveitholly

Leighton Slimy Kitten wrote: »

When pubs reopen on 20th of July, will there also be a time limit like there is now from 29th June on restaurants and bars that serve food?

Don't think any guidelines have been published yet on how pubs will open on the 20th

SusieBlue

You’d have to wonder where the logic is in having fitting rooms closed in shops.
I’m not sure if it was part of reopening conditions or if every shop seems to have adopted it as part of their policy, but it’s absolutely ridiculous.

I bought a good few bits last week, about 1/3 of which were unsuitable & didn’t fit correctly. I didn’t realise this until I got home as fitting rooms were unavailable.

So the clothes have been sitting in my house for a week now, potentially exposed to contamination from myself and others in my household, and today I had to take a second trip into town to get a refund.
That meant queuing for 25 minutes outside and then for a further 40 minutes at the customer service desk.
I wouldn’t have needed to make the trip today if I had been able to try on the clothes last week.

It basically means people are going to potentially be exposing the clothes to coronavirus at home while they’re waiting to return them, and that they’re making more trips into the shops than they otherwise would have.
I wouldn’t have thought that it would be safer to allow people try stuff on.

It makes no sense to me. One of the items I returned was a jacket, I tried to try it on over my clothes in the shop last week only for staff to make a beeline over to tell me that I wasn’t allowed. It would have taken me 2 seconds to try on and would have saved me a second trip into town today. It’s bizarre.

Captain_Crash

SusieBlue wrote: »

You’d have to wonder where the logic is in having fitting rooms closed in shops.
I’m not sure if it was part of reopening conditions or if every shop seems to have adopted it as part of their policy, but it’s absolutely ridiculous.

I bought a good few bits last week, about 1/3 of which were unsuitable & didn’t fit correctly. I didn’t realise this until I got home as fitting rooms were unavailable.

So the clothes have been sitting in my house for a week now, potentially exposed to contamination from myself and others in my household, and today I had to take a second trip into town to get a refund.
That meant queuing for 25 minutes outside and then for a further 40 minutes at the customer service desk.
I wouldn’t have needed to make the trip today if I had been able to try on the clothes last week.

It basically means people are going to potentially be exposing the clothes to coronavirus at home while they’re waiting to return them, and that they’re making more trips into the shops than they otherwise would have.
I wouldn’t have thought that it would be safer to allow people try stuff on.

It makes no sense to me. One of the items I returned was a jacket, I tried to try it on over my clothes in the shop last week only for staff to make a beeline over to tell me that I wasn’t allowed. It would have taken me 2 seconds to try on and would have saved me a second trip into town today. It’s bizarre.

I bought a top in Elverys at the weekend, it had started raining so I put it on as I left the shop and it was way too tight so returned it immediately. The lady at the till was laughing at me but agreed it was a bit of a farce that I could buy it and return it but wasn’t allowed try it on before hand.

Although, the fitting rooms in some shops were open so maybe it’s already noticed as a problem?

KrustyUCC

Apparently weddings to be restricted to 100

Must look up numbers in rest of Europe but that seems very small

stephenjmcd

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Apparently weddings to be restricted to 100

Must look up numbers in rest of Europe but that seems very small

Its a start, give it until September or so and that'll be raised again.

Sure only 2 weeks ago we had Harris basically writing off weddings for 2020

KrustyUCC

True

I suspect we're being uber cautious again though

stephenjmcd

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True

I suspect we're being uber cautious again though

More than likely, depends when that 100 starts too, like is it from the 29th or not until next month or August.

Its like everything, if its 100 say in July, that'll turn into 200 come September and then so on.

I've a wedding to go to in middle of October of around 200 for the afters and 100 odd for the church so hopefully that goes ahead

Sheepdish1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its a start, give it until September or so and that'll be raised again.

Sure only 2 weeks ago we had Harris basically writing off weddings for 2020

And travel, and concerts, gatherings etc....Off the cuff comments shouldn’t be made by politicians like this.

blacklilly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

More than likely, depends when that 100 starts too, like is it from the 29th or not until next month or August.

Its like everything, if its 100 say in July, that'll turn into 200 come September and then so on.

I've a wedding to go to in middle of October of around 200 for the afters and 100 odd for the church so hopefully that goes ahead

We need more clarity on this though. A wedding is not something can be organised too easily with only a few weeks notice.
We postponed until late August, when will we know how many we are permitted to have? They need to give clarity on these things.
Our date is outside phase 4 - if there are only 4 phases, what does that mean in terms of what happens after that.

Assetbacked

GocRh wrote: »

Very good (and official!) website to compare COVID-19 restrictions across the EU

https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/IRL

Ireland is the only EU country with significant restrictions to services.
Only EU country in red on the map.

It speaks to the ineptitude at our decision making level, as an island nation with the virus well under control for two months at this stage, that we aren't opening everything and just restricting foreign visitors.

ilovesmybrick

blacklilly wrote: »

We need more clarity on this though. A wedding is not something can be organised too easily with only a few weeks notice.
We postponed until late August, when will we know how many we are permitted to have? They need to give clarity on these things.
Our date is outside phase 4 - if there are only 4 phases, what does that mean in terms of what happens after that.

I'm delighted to see it. We were planning for around 140 in early October, and were supposed to send out invites back in April, which was delayed for obvious reasons, but we'll need to get all those out in the next two weeks or so. There was no point doing anything with the previous advice as no one knew what was going on. I think we'll be fine, but I'm the optimist in the relationship with regards this one!

blacklilly

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

I'm delighted to see it. We were planning for around 140 in early October, and were supposed to send out invites back in April, which was delayed for obvious reasons, but we'll need to get all those out in the next two weeks or so. There was no point doing anything with the previous advice as no one knew what was going on. I think we'll be fine, but I'm the optimist in the relationship with regards this one!

But it still doesn’t provide clarity (unless they announce additional information later today)
Why can’t they say that if cases remain low, x number will be allowed attend weddings after phase 4.
We originally invited 215 to our May date, we know we will likely have to reduce it somewhat but need to know to what level.
There’s just so many contradictions being made by the government in all of this, you’d wonder at time’s if decisions are being picked from a raffle box

stephenjmcd

So some more information coming out as per independent.

From 20th July, weddings of 100, funerals of 100.

From 29th June, indoor gatherings of 50 in an enclosed space. Gatherings of 200 outdoors.

From 20th July, gatherings of 100 in an enclosed space and 500 outdoors

KrustyUCC

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

I'm delighted to see it. We were planning for around 140 in early October, and were supposed to send out invites back in April, which was delayed for obvious reasons, but we'll need to get all those out in the next two weeks or so. There was no point doing anything with the previous advice as no one knew what was going on. I think we'll be fine, but I'm the optimist in the relationship with regards this one!

You might still be ok *fingers crossed*

Poland has weddings and family gatherings of 150 so if we don't get a big spike hopefully they will increase the numbers

FishOnABike

ixoy wrote: »

I'm guessing if it's set at 90 minutes to give people a bit of flexibility so, if it's a little longer - say 15 mins - then the publicans still got time to clean down the tables before the next booking.

Then the crowd may move on to another pub.. But is there anything to stop them coming back to the first pub after that for a second booking?

Be a bit inventive, if you can book a table for four or six for 90 minutes have another of your party book a table in the same premesis for 90 minutes later than your first booking, etc... Though you might need the walk in between sittings to work off the calories of the substantial meals.

Might he the cynic in me but I'd hazard a guess that the 90 minute limit is connected to the definition of close contact for tracing purposes. If it's less than two hours only those at your table might be close contacts, over two hours and everyone in the pub becomes a close contact.

GocRh

FishOnABike wrote: »

If it's less than two hours only those at your table might be close contacts, over two hours and everyone in the pub becomes a close contact.

Shouldn't be the case, Government guideline for re-opening workplaces defines a close contact as anyone you've spent more than 15 minutes with, at a distance closer than 2 metres - i.e. a face to face meeting in a meeting room. In my workplace employees are required to keep a daily log of any such interactions.
Of course it's perfectly possible that the Government is coming up with completely different guidelines for pubs and restaurants, because why not!