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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #5222
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    I was fearful of this. Is that serious?

    I saw this just this evening, the poor puppy is barely 14 weeks old and is being discarded like rubbish and surrendered to a rescue because she’s no longer of any use. These people should be prosecuted, as should the irresponsible backyard breeder who sold them an innocent puppy during a global pandemic.


  • #5223
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    That is beyond shameful. Jesus.


  • #5224
    xtal191
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭xtal191


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I saw this just this evening, the poor puppy is barely 14 weeks old and is being discarded like rubbish and surrendered to a rescue because she’s no longer of any use. These people should be prosecuted, as should the irresponsible backyard breeder who sold them an innocent puppy during a global pandemic.

    People who that are scum imo


  • #5225
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    growleaves wrote: »
    I was right, says prof who predicted pandemic would play itself out in 70 days

    He is incorrect. Sweden as pointed out in the article has been experiencing an outbreak since March with one of the highest daily death tolls reported just today, and Iran for example has had a widespread outbreak for far longer than 70 days and in fact is actually rapidly increasing in recent days, so he is completely wrong that the virus will run it's natural course in 70 days everywhere regardless of intervention.

    Anyway this article is nearly a month old and really ironically in that timeframe Israel is one of the few countries in the world that has actually experienced a noticeable increase in cases again recently with a daily average of nearly 200 cases now vs 15 three weeks ago


  • #5226
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I saw this just this evening, the poor puppy is barely 14 weeks old and is being discarded like rubbish and surrendered to a rescue because she’s no longer of any use. These people should be prosecuted, as should the irresponsible backyard breeder who sold them an innocent puppy during a global pandemic.

    Jesus some people are utter arseholes on this planet. Selfish pricks.


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  • #5227
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Speaking as someone who donates as much as possible to the Irish Guide Dogs and The Dog's Trust, along with Dogs being the best thing in this world, I hope those people burn for abandoning those puppies!

    Sub human scum!


  • #5228
    sligeach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,329 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    It's very convenient that "pubs serving food, that will see customers restricted to spending a maximum of one hour and 45 minutes in a premises at any one time."

    "Fáilte Ireland was concerned about aspects of the HPSC guidance, including a requirement for customers to be restricted to spending a maximum of 90 minutes in a pub or restaurant at any one time."

    I wonder what event could be watched on TV in 1 hour and 45 minutes? I can see this being enforced like something out of Father Ted, with a basket of chips and sausages at each table by pubs that prior had no real interest in serving food. And you know the rules outlined below won't be enforced properly.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0617/1147884-failte-ireland-hpsc/

    The proposals are comical:
    Fáilte Ireland said its guidelines are living documents which will evolve to reflect new Government advice and changes to protocols when they emerge.

    Among the risk mitigation measures that pubs must put in place if they are to exercise a one-metre physical distancing rule are use of additional signage to ask customers not to enter if they have symptoms.

    Entry will have to be regulated so that premises do not become overcrowded, with pre-booking encouraged as much as possible, the guidelines say.

    Customers should be seated at a table except when using the toilet, paying and departing, according to the document, while clear signage should indicate the location of and route to the bathrooms.

    A strict queuing system and limitations on number of users of the toilets at any one time must be enforced to ensure physical distancing, according to the rules.

    Floor markings should be used to facilitate compliance with the social distancing advice particularly in the most crowded areas, like serving counters and tills.

    Regular announcements should be made to remind customers to follow social distancing advice and clean their hands regularly, the document states.

    It also says plexiglass barriers should be placed at tills and counters if feasible, as an additional element of protection for workers and customers.

    The rules also say the number of servers per group of guests should be limited to the smallest number that is practical.

    Disposable menus or laminated menus that can be adequately cleaned after each use, should also be used, while unnecessary items should be removed from tables.

    The guidance also says that consideration should be given where practical to workers providing services to only one gathering and that they should not move between multiple gatherings in different venue locations such as function rooms.

    Where possible, facilities such as toilets should not be used simultaneously by multiple gatherings, the guidelines say, but if they are cleaned in between usage, they may be used separately by different gatherings, within the same time period.

    In situations where the kitchen environment makes it difficult to physically distance, the guidelines say employers need to consider other measures such as dividing the kitchen into zones with an employee allocated to each zone, the staggering of workstations on either side of service area so that food workers are not facing one another and the provision of PPE such as face masks, disposable gloves and clean aprons/uniforms.

    The capacity of function rooms and smoking areas must be reviewed and altered if necessary, the guidance also says.

    I can just picture someone with a megaphone bellowing out periodically to customers to follow social distancing advice and to clean their hands regularly. Some of these rules, in a lot of places won't be properly implemented. They'll say whatever it takes though to get pub doors open again.


  • #5229
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    sligeach wrote: »
    It's very convenient that "pubs serving food, that will see customers restricted to spending a maximum of one hour and 45 minutes in a premises at any one time."

    "Fáilte Ireland was concerned about aspects of the HPSC guidance, including a requirement for customers to be restricted to spending a maximum of 90 minutes in a pub or restaurant at any one time."

    I wonder what event could be watched on TV in 1 hour and 45 minutes? I can see this being enforced like something out of Father Ted, with a basket of chips and sausages at each table by pubs that prior had no real interest in serving food. And you know the rules outlined below won't be enforced properly.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0617/1147884-failte-ireland-hpsc/

    The proposals are comical:



    I can just picture someone with a megaphone bellowing out periodically to customers to follow social distancing advice and to clean their hands regularly. Some of these rules, in a lot of places won't be properly implemented. They'll say whatever it takes though to get pub doors open again.

    There will be a few exceptions but I expect most will do their best to follow the rules. They just want rules which can work and not be treated like children.

    We have seen that most food shops and indeed the retail stores who opened last week have been reasonably good at applying social distancing.


  • #5230
    deckie66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭deckie66


    sligeach wrote: »
    It's very convenient that "pubs serving food, that will see customers restricted to spending a maximum of one hour and 45 minutes in a premises at any one time."

    "Fáilte Ireland was concerned about aspects of the HPSC guidance, including a requirement for customers to be restricted to spending a maximum of 90 minutes in a pub or restaurant at any one time."

    I wonder what event could be watched on TV in 1 hour and 45 minutes? I can see this being enforced like something out of Father Ted, with a basket of chips and sausages at each table by pubs that prior had no real interest in serving food. And you know the rules outlined below won't be enforced properly.



    The proposals are comical:



    I can just picture someone with a megaphone bellowing out periodically to customers to follow social distancing advice and to clean their hands regularly. Some of these rules, in a lot of places won't be properly implemented. They'll say whatever it takes though to get pub doors open again.

    If they are only "guidelines" and not enforceable by any agency then they wont be strictly adhered to


  • #5231
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,462 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Independent reporting that the quarantine self isolation legislation is to be extended until 9th July but it looks like its more to let the next government decide what to do. Going to become a bit of a mess in the airport if theres a decent number of people moving through it.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sun-holiday-setback-as-quarantine-rule-to-stay-and-travel-restrictions-extended-39295057.html


    "The Government will make a decision on non-essential travel in and out of the country at next week's Cabinet meeting.

    However, sources suggested the final decision may be left to the new government if it is formed next weekend.

    Plans to make it mandatory for passengers to self-isolate once they arrive in Ireland are expected to be shelved after consultation with other EU countries suggested they are not necessary. However, regulations making it illegal not to properly fill out a passenger locator form are to be extended."


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  • #5232
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    sligeach wrote: »
    It's very convenient that "pubs serving food, that will see customers restricted to spending a maximum of one hour and 45 minutes in a premises at any one time."

    "Fáilte Ireland was concerned about aspects of the HPSC guidance, including a requirement for customers to be restricted to spending a maximum of 90 minutes in a pub or restaurant at any one time."

    I wonder what event could be watched on TV in 1 hour and 45 minutes? I can see this being enforced like something out of Father Ted, with a basket of chips and sausages at each table by pubs that prior had no real interest in serving food. And you know the rules outlined below won't be enforced properly.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0617/1147884-failte-ireland-hpsc/

    The proposals are comical:



    I can just picture someone with a megaphone bellowing out periodically to customers to follow social distancing advice and to clean their hands regularly. Some of these rules, in a lot of places won't be properly implemented. They'll say whatever it takes though to get pub doors open again.

    Just in case you missed it, your going to the pub for food not an event.


  • #5233
    seamusk84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭seamusk84


    Was so looking forward to going to the pub for a pint and bit of food on the 29th.....Forget that now, I'll just wait until the end of July when hopefully some sense will prevail.


  • #5234
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    seamusk84 wrote: »
    Was so looking forward to going to the pub for a pint and bit of food on the 29th.....Forget that now, I'll just wait until the end of July when hopefully some sense will prevail.

    Pubs arent going to be allowed a free for all after July. Contact tracing will be in place and that means tight rules for the pubs


  • #5235
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,265 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    Your trolling is actually just sad at this point. Can you catch hunger off your colleague if he coughs near you? Can you spend your way out of an ICU?

    The more things start to open up the more delusional and ridiculous the "save the economy/only a flu" crowd get.


  • #5236
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Independent reporting that the quarantine self isolation legislation is to be extended until 9th July but it looks like its more to let the next government decide what to do. Going to become a bit of a mess in the airport if theres a decent number of people moving through it.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sun-holiday-setback-as-quarantine-rule-to-stay-and-travel-restrictions-extended-39295057.html


    "The Government will make a decision on non-essential travel in and out of the country at next week's Cabinet meeting.

    However, sources suggested the final decision may be left to the new government if it is formed next weekend.

    Plans to make it mandatory for passengers to self-isolate once they arrive in Ireland are expected to be shelved after consultation with other EU countries suggested they are not necessary. However, regulations making it illegal not to properly fill out a passenger locator form are to be extended."

    Bunch of useless idiots...


  • #5237
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Speaking as someone who donates as much as possible to the Irish Guide Dogs and The Dog's Trust, along with Dogs being the best thing in this world, I hope those people burn for abandoning those puppies!

    Sub human scum!

    Disposable clothes, disposable puppies, dump them when lockdown is over!

    Its a culture, its a mentality, its ignorance and there is a huge cohort of people on this planet who don't have empathy, kindness, awareness, cop-on, who clean out entire supermarkets into their huge trolleys, manically buy online junk every day, drive in white vans to country lanes to dump their filthy rubbish in the mountains, forests and ditches.
    The ones who queue for hours in their pyjamas to buy more needless junk in Penneys to clog up our planet. They think this is their right , they think they are living their best lives and its nobody's business. Same people who dump puppies. :(

    (I know there are some sweeping generalisations in my posts but I'm angry about people who dump puppies and dump filthy rubbish)


  • #5238
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,899 ✭✭✭plodder


    average_runner wrote: »
    Pubs arent going to be allowed a free for all after July. Contact tracing will be in place and that means tight rules for the pubs
    I've lost track of the details of what is happening when, as the govt. website is not great. Contact tracing in itself is not a major imposition though. I assume it just means you need to provide your name and address when entering the premises.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #5239
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    plodder wrote: »
    I've lost track of the details of what is happening when, as the govt. website is not great. Contact tracing in itself is not a major imposition though. I assume it just means you need to provide your name and address when entering the premises.

    .....haven't we all :rolleyes:....the confusion and detail with all these regulations is mind boggling ........and laughable. People lose interest in all the "latest" adjustsment to regulations etc.
    I don't know when I last watched the News. I'm just getting on with life as normal these days as much as I can. The government have lost a lot of the public with the intricacies of their "roadmap" and the amount of changes and amendments to it.

    I'm not going near shops till all this nonsense is over , maybe in September when people have lost interest in queueing, likewise pubs, restaurants and coffee shops.


  • #5240
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    plodder wrote: »
    I've lost track of the details of what is happening when, as the govt. website is not great. Contact tracing in itself is not a major imposition though. I assume it just means you need to provide your name and address when entering the premises.




    For us in the athletics club, we fill a form out every week and answer a few questions on where you have been and if you were ill recently.


  • #5241
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,462 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    plodder wrote: »
    I've lost track of the details of what is happening when, as the govt. website is not great. Contact tracing in itself is not a major imposition though. I assume it just means you need to provide your name and address when entering the premises.

    Yes 1 person from your group if in a group has to provide their contact information, only 1 person.


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  • #5242
    sligeach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,329 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    average_runner wrote: »
    Just in case you missed it, your going to the pub for food not an event.

    C'mon now. People will be going to the pubs to watch matches. Isn't it very convenient that the time allowed on the premises just covers 90 minutes for a soccer match and 15 minutes for halftime? Of course Fáilte Ireland were concerned when it was only 90 minutes. Rugby and GAA matches will be covered too, as soccer takes the longest. The ordering of food is just a guise for the customers to get in the door. Just wait and see, there'll be pubs serving food throughout the day, that would have done so once in a blue moon. This is far different from the other shops and retailers that have reopened who are responsible. I know well what it'll be like and if you're honest and not naive, you know it too.

    If some of the cup matches or GAA matches go to extra time, it'll be interesting to see if publicans ask everyone to leave. I honestly can see how this will all unfold, it'll be like something out of a comedy. Nobody needs an hour and three quarters to eat pub grub.


  • #5243
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,462 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    sligeach wrote: »
    C'mon now. People will be going to the pubs to watch matches. Isn't it very convenient that the time allowed on the premises just covers 90 minutes for a soccer match and 15 minutes for halftime? Of course Fáilte Ireland were concerned when it was only 90 minutes. Rugby and GAA matches will be covered too, as soccer takes the longest. The ordering of food is just a guise for the customers to get in the door. Just wait and see, there'll be pubs serving food throughout the day, that would have done so once in a blue moon. This is far different from the other shops and retailers that have reopened who are responsible. I know well what it'll be like and if you're honest and not naive, you know it too.

    If some of the cup matches or GAA matches go to extra time, it'll be interesting to see if publicans ask everyone to leave. I honestly can see how this will all unfold, it'll be like something out of a comedy. Nobody needs an hour and three quarters to eat pub grub.

    I'd say they'll stick to the time of 105 mins while they operate as restaurants for 3 weeks. From the 20th July you wont get a publican telling a local they've to leave it just wont happen. If I arrive up at 9pm for my few pints after the 20th July I'm home by 10.45 ? Not a chance


  • #5244
    sligeach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,329 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Sure we haven't even started and they're already looking for 2 hours.

    'Two-hour sitting would be far more realistic' - bar and restaurant owner

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0617/1148067-coronavirus-restaurants-reopening-guidelines/

    It's all daft. Can't do 2 metres distancing? Don't worry about it, just stick up a few warning signs.


  • #5245
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,462 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    sligeach wrote: »
    Sure we haven't even started and they're already looking for 2 hours.

    'Two-hour sitting would be far more realistic' - bar and restaurant owner

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0617/1148067-coronavirus-restaurants-reopening-guidelines/

    It's all daft. Can't do 2 metres distancing? Don't worry about it, just stick up a few warning signs.

    Basically yeah, 1m between tables if you've extra signage up


  • #5246
    gourcuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭gourcuff


    bringing forward the relaxation of the domestic travel restrictions would be great.

    Its been an absolute nightmare being stuck in dublin/urban area during the summer (as a non-dub).

    Would normally spend every second weekend during the summer travelling, weekend breaks, heading home, meeting friends - the shock to the system of an urban area all summer is too much to bear, anxiety levels through the roof...


  • #5247
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    If Irish hotels are in full gouge mode Ill skip any extended stays, might do a a couple of single nights, its an opportunity to bring the family on the cycle Greenways, the one in Mayo and Waterford, they were on my list of things to do.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #5248
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm just so depressed with this whole situation. There is already going to be a recession, no doubt about it at all. However, the pedantic restrictions we still have in place are likely to make this recession a million times worse. Businesses simply can't function with these restrictions and way less people are interested in going out to spend money with the restrictions in place.

    Sure, there will be some queue's initially. People dying to have a shop in Penneys again, or Ikea, or dying to get back into a pub. But sales are going to be massively down. The queue's are more due to only letting certain numbers in. Its not that its busy.

    People are already saying they are sick of shopping. Have to queue to get in. Not allowed to try on clothes etc. Eventually people will only shop for essentials or go online. This then leads to staff cuts and store closures. Most of these shops rely on people drifting in off the street and purchasing a few things.

    How many people will actually go to the pub when you have to book a table, buy a meal, remain seated? That's not what going to pub is about. If those measures remain in place, eventually the pubs will be dead. People will be drinking more at home and house parties will be more popular.

    Really feel that eventually all of this will come to an ugly head at some point. Either the economy will dictate that we simply have to get back to normal. Or people will end up protesting. Or most likely, rules will be largely ignored and the garda will pick on some soft targets.


  • #5249
    fleet_admiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    The pub I run is the latest casualty of this unworkable madness. Owner won't be reopening as in his words 'its not worth it with all this red tape'


  • #5250
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,899 ✭✭✭plodder


    What are the rules for outdoor areas in pubs/restaurants? It should be possible to come very close to before with that, maybe just with seating (not standing) but no other restrictions (except signing in when you arrive & table service presumably).

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • #5251
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,080 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Top Cork publican will not reopen pubs under 'codswallop' new guidelines

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Top-Cork-publican-will-not-reopen-pubs-under-codswallop-new-guidelines-c9b937c8-011e-4c2e-993e-e3bce80cef31-ds


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