Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

nickkinneg · 17-06-2020 01:21PM

ZX7R wrote: »

If you look at the restrictions they have imposed they are nearly all based on social activities or interactions, school , restaurants sports bars , community complexes ECT
All positive cases or suspected cases are removed and quarantined in selected holdings.
They didn't close any manufacturing building ect
They fear closing there economy more than the virus

Think we all fear that will not survive another lockdown

17-06-2020 01:26PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Person from Bord Fáilte on RTE stating that pre booking is a condition of 2 metres down to 1

So no passing trade allowed but the pubs/restaurants could have empty space

All the passing trade has to do is call the bar and arrange an immediate booking. The rule is just to stop people wandering in, hanging out at the bar while they ask if they can have a table, and then wandering out again

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 01:28PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Person from Bord Fáilte on RTE stating that pre booking is a condition of 2 metres down to 1

So no passing trade allowed but the pubs/restaurants could have empty space

Presuming that's while they operate as restaurants for 3 weeks?

Wouldn't be surprised if this was flouted

KrustyUCC · 17-06-2020 01:35PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Presuming that's while they operate as restaurants for 3 weeks?

Wouldn't be surprised if this was flouted

I must listen back later but my impression was that will apply going forward

Two screaming kids though so I might have picked it up wrong

ShyMets · 17-06-2020 01:35PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

That stuff will go out the window within a few weeks of re-opening. Won't work in rural, local or sporting pubs/clubs where people all know each other.

Maybe I'm be wildly optimistic. But assuming we don't see a major spike in cases I suspect that by late August & early September

ZX7R · 17-06-2020 01:38PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I agree. Rubbish numbers from China used by UK media to scare monger people and get some clicks, you have to be in a cuckoo land to believe below

"Beijing, which had previously gone 55 days in which the only new infections were citizens returning from other countries, has reported a total of 79 cases in the past four days. The first case in the new outbreak was discovered on Thursday after a 52-year old man surnamed Tang was confirmed to have the virus. On Friday, authorities reported another six cases – all of them, including Tang, linked to the Xinfadi market."

Also - whats up with naming and shaming? Only in China :rolleyes:

Naming of people in China is encouraged part of their state propaganda to eliminate the country of the virus.
Also news leaking from China indicates that they suspect the virus is been imported from India and this is leading to skirmishes in the disputed area of the Himalayas between Indian and Chinese forces

khalessi · 17-06-2020 01:56PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Naming of people in China is encouraged part of their state propaganda to eliminate the country of the virus.
Also news leaking from China indicates that they suspect the virus is been imported from India and this is leading to skirmishes in the disputed area of the Himalayas between Indian and Chinese forces

I saw a news article yesterday where they were blaming European Salmon

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 02:00PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I must listen back later but my impression was that will apply going forward

Two screaming kids though so I might have picked it up wrong

Listening to this morning there and from the sounds of it the pubs will flout the 90 minute thing if its still in play after 20th July.

Also they mentioned as I said earlier putting a 90 min limit if it applies after 20th July is encouraging organised pub crawls basically which is worse from a public health view point

ZX7R · 17-06-2020 02:08PM

khalessi wrote: »

I saw a news article yesterday where they were blaming European Salmon

Yes seen that also.
Easier to shift blame than to take responsibility for it

greensheep777 · 17-06-2020 02:32PM

Any sign of the 14 day quarantine being lifted, at least if you're travelling from certain countries where the infection rate is low?

irishproduce · 17-06-2020 02:54PM

Regarding the silly pub rules they are looking at, I've a sneaking suspicion that someone or some group is meddling/ lobbying at the table to take a chance to change Ireland's social night culture and try to get us to change to a more 3 courses and 3 drinks culture. As opposed to the have your dinner at home and head out for 5 or 10 drinks.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 03:03PM

irishproduce wrote: »

Regarding the silly pub rules they are looking at, I've a sneaking suspicion that someone or some group is meddling/ lobbying at the table to take a chance to change Ireland's social night culture and try to get us to change to a more 3 courses and 3 drinks culture. As opposed to the have your dinner at home and head out for 5 or 10 drinks.

Good luck to them, it'll work while they operate as restaurants for 3 weeks but come 20th July a pub is a pub that just happens to serve food is you want some.

The 90 minutes thing works while you operate as a restaurant, after that it doesn't. Its basically going to encourage a pub crawl if its in place come 20th when you wont need to purchase food to go in

17-06-2020 03:08PM

irishproduce wrote: »

Regarding the silly pub rules they are looking at, I've a sneaking suspicion that someone or some group is meddling/ lobbying at the table to take a chance to change Ireland's social night culture and try to get us to change to a more 3 courses and 3 drinks culture. As opposed to the have your dinner at home and head out for 5 or 10 drinks.

That will simply never happen because its not our culture.

Many people love going to the pub and food is almost never the primary reason for going. (although a bit of pub grub is nice while there)

The pub is actually the one thing with the power to get people out in the streets protesting!

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 03:17PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That will simply never happen because its not our culture.

Many people love going to the pub and food is almost never the primary reason for going. (although a bit of pub grub is nice while there)

The pub is actually the one thing with the power to get people out in the streets protesting!

Most times when in the pub I'll have a bite to eat if I know I'm going to be out for a few hours and its early evening or afternoon, other nights be it a Friday or whatever I'll head home after work make some dinner and head up to the local around 9 or so and stay until last orders usually at 12.30.

So it's not so much the food aspect that annoys me, thats fine its only for 3 weeks while they're classed as restaurants, its if the 90 min applies after the 20th July. Are the 4 or 5 of us meeting up on the Friday night after work in the local going to be told after 90 minutes sorry lads you've to leave, even when there's always plenty of free tables on Friday nights

Naos · 17-06-2020 03:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I find it strange that it has taken 5 months to realise that a corticosterioid,commonly used in the treatment of Asthma and COPD, may be a suitable treatment for Covid. You would think this would have bee one of the first treatments tried.

Interesting take - what's your background in medicinal chemistry?

manniot2 wrote: »

So most other countries can open their hospitality sector will minimal fuss but we have to be treated like children and given strict rules. Says alot about what the elites in this country think of us plebs. I guess they know we are sheep, and will just get on with it.

Because most other countries will go down and have 2-3 pints and head home. We have a different attitude to drinking here. And that includes myself, if the pubs were closed for this long and I was in my 20's, I'd be running amok once they reopened.

17-06-2020 03:34PM

Naos wrote: »

Interesting take - what's your background in medicinal chemistry?

"I find it strange" does not equal "The whole medical world is wrong and I am right". It means I am open to being educated as to why it was not possible to have made the connection earlier

However to engage in your point, this is a pharmacology question, not a medicinal chemistry question, and while not an expert in either field I would be more competent to speak the the chemistry than the pharmacology

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 03:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I find it strange that it has taken 5 months to realise that a corticosterioid,commonly used in the treatment of Asthma and COPD, may be a suitable treatment for Covid. You would think this would have bee one of the first treatments tried.

There's a bit of Mr Hindsight at work here! It's not delayed realisation, it was chosen. A properly run trial is a lot better in evaluating the efficacy of the drug than a doctor somewhere who thought that 2 patients responded to it. We didn't want another hydroxychloroquine. The good news now is that other parts of the world can benefit from the outcome of the trial.

jonnny68 · 17-06-2020 03:37PM

greensheep777 wrote: »

Any sign of the 14 day quarantine being lifted, at least if you're travelling from certain countries where the infection rate is low?

decision tomorrow i believe, absolutely ridiculous they need to do away with this right now.

17-06-2020 03:51PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Most times when in the pub I'll have a bite to eat if I know I'm going to be out for a few hours and its early evening or afternoon, other nights be it a Friday or whatever I'll head home after work make some dinner and head up to the local around 9 or so and stay until last orders usually at 12.30.

So it's not so much the food aspect that annoys me, thats fine its only for 3 weeks while they're classed as restaurants, its if the 90 min applies after the 20th July. Are the 4 or 5 of us meeting up on the Friday night after work in the local going to be told after 90 minutes sorry lads you've to leave, even when there's always plenty of free tables on Friday nights

Yeah, people have been more than patient with the restrictions. Its 3 months now. Will be 4 months by the time that all restrictions are due to be lifted.

There has to come a stage were there are no travel restrictions, time limits or any other silly rules.

I really don't think any other countries are having these issues.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 03:55PM

jonnny68 wrote: »

decision tomorrow i believe, absolutely ridiculous they need to do away with this right now.

Yup legislation lapses tomorrow, expected to be extended until 29th

fleet_admiral · 17-06-2020 04:09PM

irishproduce wrote: »

Regarding the silly pub rules they are looking at, I've a sneaking suspicion that someone or some group is meddling/ lobbying at the table to take a chance to change Ireland's social night culture and try to get us to change to a more 3 courses and 3 drinks culture. As opposed to the have your dinner at home and head out for 5 or 10 drinks.

A certain politician from Cork that has aspirations of being the leader of the government soon. This is his smoking ban version 2.0

SusieBlue · 17-06-2020 04:12PM

There have been a number of layoffs in Stryker in Cork this week. 50 people from one section of operations have been let go, along with many of the newer staff hired prior to lockdown.

There are no operations taking place so they have an overflow of stock and nothing to do with it. They were told that the layoffs should hopefully be only temporary but no guarantees could be made.
There is such little work/orders coming through that the remainder of staff are on reduced hours as there is no demand. This is a huge employer for the area so fingers crossed they won’t be permanent job losses.

growleaves · 17-06-2020 04:14PM

I was right, says prof who predicted pandemic would play itself out in 70 days

In a study published in Hebrew on April 8 and in English on April 16, Ben-Israel, head of the Security Studies program at Tel Aviv University and chairman of the National Council for Research and Development, claimed that the duration of a country’s COVID-19 outbreak is set and won’t vary based on what actions it takes.

On April 19 he wrote of Israel: “It turns out that the peak of the virus’s spread has been behind us for about two weeks now, and will probably fade within two more weeks.”

On May 2, just under two weeks later, the number of newly infected people per day dropped to under 100 for the first time since late March, and has remained below that figure.

Allinall · 17-06-2020 04:24PM

growleaves wrote: »

I was right, says prof who predicted pandemic would play itself out in 70 days

A stopped clock tells the correct time twice a day.

growleaves · 17-06-2020 04:26PM

Allinall wrote: »

A stopped clock tells the correct time twice a day.

Lol

Well I'm glad you can at least understand that a correlation between a prediction and an apparent result doesn't constitute (scientific) proof. A lot of supporters of lockdown seem to struggle with that.

pc7 · 17-06-2020 04:39PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

There have been a number of layoffs in Stryker in Cork this week. 50 people from one section of operations have been let go, along with many of the newer staff hired prior to lockdown.

There are no operations taking place so they have an overflow of stock and nothing to do with it. They were told that the layoffs should hopefully be only temporary but no guarantees could be made.
There is such little work/orders coming through that the remainder of staff are on reduced hours as there is no demand. This is a huge employer for the area so fingers crossed they won’t be permanent job losses.

It seems crazy they didn't use the private hospitals to clear waiting lists once they knew we weren't going to see a surge like Italy/Spain. I dread to think what the lists will be like now for kids getting tonsils etc. done. Could have romped through those lists seeing as kids very mildly if at all affected.

Goldengirl · 17-06-2020 04:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Most times when in the pub I'll have a bite to eat if I know I'm going to be out for a few hours and its early evening or afternoon, other nights be it a Friday or whatever I'll head home after work make some dinner and head up to the local around 9 or so and stay until last orders usually at 12.30.

So it's not so much the food aspect that annoys me, thats fine its only for 3 weeks while they're classed as restaurants, its if the 90 min applies after the 20th July. Are the 4 or 5 of us meeting up on the Friday night after work in the local going to be told after 90 minutes sorry lads you've to leave, even when there's always plenty of free tables on Friday nights

Have to say that makes no sense to me either .
Surely the restrictions should apply only to prevent infection transmission , in crowded pubs and restaurants .
So if the pub has empty tables should not be an issue, you would think .

17-06-2020 04:46PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

There have been a number of layoffs in Stryker in Cork this week. 50 people from one section of operations have been let go, along with many of the newer staff hired prior to lockdown.

There are no operations taking place so they have an overflow of stock and nothing to do with it. They were told that the layoffs should hopefully be only temporary but no guarantees could be made.
There is such little work/orders coming through that the remainder of staff are on reduced hours as there is no demand. This is a huge employer for the area so fingers crossed they won’t be permanent job losses.

If its in orthopaedics you can imagine hip and knee replacements in the old are on hold. But they will restart, but for the moment there will be pause.

Goldengirl · 17-06-2020 04:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"I find it strange" does not equal "The whole medical world is wrong and I am right". It means I am open to being educated as to why it was not possible to have made the connection earlier

However to engage in your point, this is a pharmacology question, not a medicinal chemistry question, and while not an expert in either field I would be more competent to speak the the chemistry than the pharmacology

Steroids have been tried and researched as to whether they helped or not .
Some have been found to be unhelpful , like hydrocortisone , methylprednisolone was found to be working and was being used .
But dexamethasone was ruled out in other studies , but the Oxford study seems to have had a very big population of patients , so would be stronger than the other research to date.
This study is not published or peer reviewed yet as they did not want to wait apparently before getting the good news out there
That was the right thing to do if it truly is the wonder drug .

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 04:52PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Have to say that makes no sense to me either .
Surely the restrictions should apply only to prevent infection transmission , in crowded pubs and restaurants .
So if the pub has empty tables should not be an issue, you would think .

Nowhere is going go be crowded anyway if you have the 1m between tables. When tables are full the pubs full simple as. I'm talking about after 20th July now. The 90 min stuff just won't work if you've people in for a few pints

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings