Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Hey lads are the Irish government looking at reviewing the 14 day quarantine after arrival this week?

Micky 32 wrote: »

The 300% difference in numbers is nothing to do with actual increased cases, i would have thought at least you might be smart enough to realise that.

Our cases are dropping that is a fact also. What’s the point of mentioning a fact if it’s meaningless?

So the increase in numbers day on day - has nothing to do with increased cases - are actually trolling

Micky 32 wrote: »

Monday June 1st -June 7th total cases 211
Monday June 8th- June 14th total cases 102.

Average case per day last week = 14.5

Cases on Saturday 24.

9.5 above average in one day .

Out in cork city centre at the weekend, shops rammed, parks packed. People on top of each other, no one gives a ****e about this thing anymore. Glad we're getting on with it.

road_high wrote: »

They are correct, looking at countries like us it’s obvious extensive lockdowns do nothing but bankrupt countries.
Targeted measure like Foucault distancing and ppe, restrictions on mass gatherings are all you can do

Foucault distancing - is that a subtle way of saying that social distancing is like a prison?

rob316 wrote: »

Out in cork city centre at the weekend, shops rammed, parks packed. People on top of each other, no one gives a ****e about this thing anymore. Glad we're getting on with it.

According to RTE News retail foot traffic yesterday was only 40% what it would normally be on that June weekend and most shops are operating at a loss on those levels.

ShooterSF wrote: »

Wait that's what people are taking from the meat factory outbreaks. Not that employees were silenced and threatened with losing their jobs if they got tested /stayed home sick? It took a couple of whistle-blowers to raise awareness of it. I would have hoped people would have taken the idea that we need some form of universal basic income and heathcare in the country so people can resist criminal employers without fear.

Universal basic income is communist wet dream. Even in socialist countries where work was mandatory and required by law there were quite a lot of people who did not want to work. They will never work no matter what. Why should our taxes go to reward this form of lifestyle instead of investing them to better healthcare or infrastructure?
Simple answer is - get a job. If you do not like your job, get different one.

Van.Bosch wrote: »

If it were me I would have ignored that rule from day 1

Child access was always an allowed exception from the very beginning.

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Average case per day last week = 14.5

Cases on Saturday 24.

9.5 above average in one day .

While all that is true it also meaningless to a large degree and you're just freaking yourself out.

It is long know that 'cases reported' is quite an arbitrary thing. A lot of people maybe not confuse it with but treat it alike with infection date. Which is the really interesting date.

With the incubation period being what it is- 2 to 14 days - and then test delays added anyone being amongst the reported on any given day will have actually contracted the virus 'some time' over the last 3 weeks. With increased test turnaround most probably over the last 2 weeks.

Say today we had N reported new cases. There will be such and such a percentage that have the virus contracted during the last week, such and such a percentage during the last 2 weeks and another percentage over 2 weeks ago.

With the built-in instability of the 'reported cases' as described above it makes absolutely no sense to look at any given days number and be either concerned or relieved. Then on top of it you get things like what happened this week where a large chunk came in delayed by another couple of days.

In order to get any meaningful trend you need to look at an average across a longer period than a single day. Perhaps a week or ten days.

The puppy dumping has started already unfortunately, I saw this on FB over two weeks ago so can only imagine what way things are now.
The ad doesn’t even sound apologetic, she clearly just got the dog to keep herself entertained for lockdown. People who do this should be prosecuted and banned from owning animals.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Japan has not seen even 2,000 dead. And imagine Neil Ferguson's models without lockdown scenario for Japan that has population of 120,000,000 + . Tokyo alone has 38,000,000 living there.

"Japan’s state of emergency is set to end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a center for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2% of its population — one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Yet the curve has been flattened, with deaths well below 1,000, by far the fewest among the Group of Seven developed nations. In Tokyo, its dense center, cases have dropped to single digits on most days."

https://time.com/5842139/japan-beat-coronavirus-testing-lockdowns/

All Japan did is protect their elderly properly. 65% + of Irish deaths came from nursing homes, its not a co incidence that country's ability to protect elderly follows closely the death rate of that country.

Japan did not do lockdown because they only requested people avoid crowds , close contacts and closed in spaces, which effectively closed a lot of the businesses you mention , if not officially. People in Japan do follow rules assiduously , it is well known to be part of their culture.
Schools shut down too .
They also do.not shout or talk on public transport and keep their distance as a rule.. normal polite behaviour in Japanese society.
The government did not test or pay for hospital treatment (like US) so numbers of cases or full numbers of deaths are not known as yet.
They are also pumping billions in to the economy as it has tanked along with the rest of the global economy.
So strange that I read that article and what I took from it was that they have been through Hell and are only starting to come through it and their numbers are just coming down now .

You literally quoted the first two paragraphs and didn't read the full article . The headline gave you what you thought was an article extolling the virtues of Japan's handling , but in fact it shows how in some ways Japan did exactly what a lot of other countries did , and in other ways did not do so well. Different culture, and different way of dealing with a crisis.

FishOnABike wrote: »

At among the worst - if not the worst - in Europe, the UK are hardly the best example to follow. Medical advice should be based on medicine and science, not peer pressure.

How about all the other countries in Europe where restrictions have been eased a month ago with no increase in rate of cases? Why is our medical advice not based on that medicine and science? What science is our prolonged lifting of restrictions based on?

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Fck me. That charlatan Neil Ferguson. I’m not arsed googling it for you, do it yourself.

When you look at the numbers, his estimates were not as fanciful as you seem to think.

The case fatality rate for CoViD-19 in Ireland has been reported as 5.3%¹. Allowing for approx 80% of non-symptomatic or mildly symptomatic people who are not diagnosed, a case fatality rate figure of approx 1% is a reasonable overall estimate.

The UK population is just under 68,000,000. If we take a very low figure of 60% needed for herd immunity to be effective (and that's making the unproven assumption that getting CoViD-19 confers long term immunity), then just under 41,000,000 would get CoViD-19 and 1% of that would be 410,000.

Containment measures have limited the number of UK deaths to date to 50,000². Hospitals, mortuaries, undertakers and graveyards have not been overwhelmed and coffins have not had to have been shipped out by the lorryload, as elsewhere, precisely due to those containment measures. If no containment measures at all were put in place, his 500,000 figure is not unrealistic.

CoViD-19 has not gone away. It has only been suppressed by unprecedented containment measures. It is far more serious and far more contagious than influenza. If effective containment measures are not maintained there is no reason why there would not be a resurgence.

We have probably got our daily new case rate as low as we can reasonably get it. We now need to identify and maintain the minimum set of restrictions which keep the daily new case rate at or below where it is now. The lower that is, the easier the task is and the more time there is to react if it does begin to rise again.

¹ https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/new-report-shows-ireland-s-covid-19-fatality-rate-is-up-to-5-3-1.4250391?mode=amp

² https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-main-points-wednesday-5118766-Jun2020/

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Covid is truly gone... below is one of top headlines @ Irish times

How to help your dog transition to the ‘new normal’ of you leaving the house again
Dogs going from having people at home all the time to nobody there all day can lead to some serious behavioural problems

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/how-to-help-your-dog-transition-to-the-new-normal-of-you-leaving-the-house-again-1.4275495?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Flife-and-style%2Fhealth-family%2Fhow-to-help-your-dog-transition-to-the-new-normal-of-you-leaving-the-house-again-1.4275495

Would they still report dog issues if Germany had a 2nd wave? no.

No one knows if it is gone or not.
Unless u have something to prove it's gone?