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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #152
    zpehtsfd
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭zpehtsfd


    frag420 wrote: »
    Did he have a hidden gun, did you see it? Did the police see it?

    How did they know he was violent and very drunk? Did they scan his car reg and check first?

    And if they did why not call for backup, that would be the sensible and reasonable thing to do eh?

    He was IDed and searched initially, so no they knew he didn't have a gun.


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    #153
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    washman3 wrote: »
    The guy would be alive today if he complied with the police. End of story.!!

    He didn't comply with the police so his death is justified?

    Do you have children, maybe a young fella on a night out that doesn't comply with the guards.

    I have a 14 year old and I'm sure he won't get in much trouble, but if he does I'm confident our Gardai deal with him, without killing him.

    He doesn't deserve death for running away from the police, that is all that happened here.


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    #154
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    He wasn’t just running away though, was he? He turned back, aimed and fired a weapon at a cop. Suicide by cop.

    Do you think the Cop should get a medal for his bravery?


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    #155
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    And what do they do in the meantime when attending calls or stops?

    Protect and serve the community?

    A radical idea I know...


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    #156
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    I’m waiting for the first person to come on here and question his previous criminal record, as if it matters.


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    #157
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,448 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Do you think the Cop should get a medal for his bravery?

    He ran, turned around and aimed a weapon at the officer, justified shooting imo


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    #158
    The Phantom Jipper
    Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    The police seem to treat tasers as non-lethal when they're using them willy nilly against protestors, but when confronted with one, it's a reason to shoot to kill.


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    #159
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    More hug a thug shyte.

    How do you know he was a thug?

    He was being civil and co-operative. Then they tried to cuff him, and he panicked... (we don't know why - there could be many reasons). But then the officers were guilty of panicking even more so than the drunk man!

    Trigger happy and nervous cops is not a good thing when you are carrying a loaded gun. This man should not be dead - and in most other countries he wouldn't be. He'd be in front of a judge, explaining himself and probably get a slap on the wrist.

    I'm quite certain, if those cops had asked him to co-operate and let them cuff him... he would have calmly complied. But he was drunk and he panicked. He's a black guy getting arrested by two white cops. They should have given him time for his mind register what was about to happen - especially considering he was drunk. He didn't deserve to die for the mistakes he made!

    They shot him 3 times while he was running away. (Yes, he had a taser, but it's a non-lethal weapon with only one round). Shooting 3 rounds from a gun is not a reasonable or responsible reaction!


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    #160
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,452 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    If that’s the case then answer this hypothetical question.

    If a cop tasers somebody and it is found to be unnecessary should they be charged with attempted murder?

    That's how the Courts see it, probably because if a officer goes down the attacker then has a gun and had demonstrated a willingness to use violence.

    No, if the person tasered goes down, they're is nothing to suggest they'll be finished off.

    When you point a weapon, anything that looks like a gun at a policeman, add in being demented drunk and already proved to be violent, you will be shot and rightly so.

    Working class cops shouldn't have to die to indulge middle class activists often ideology driven views that have no evidence or experience to back.


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    #161
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    He ran, turned around and aimed a weapon at the officer, justified shooting imo

    ....a non lethal weapon.


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    #162
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    He ran, turned around and aimed a weapon at the officer, justified shooting imo

    A non lethal weapon according to the US police force...

    Why use lethal force against non lethal force?


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    #163
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,452 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    He ran, turned around and aimed a weapon at the officer, justified shooting imo

    Exactly.


    You can't expect to fight the police and draw a weapon and just expect them to wait and see if you take the back of their head off.


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    #164
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Danzy wrote: »
    That's how the Courts see it, probably because if a officer goes down the attacker then has a gun and had demonstrated a willingness to use violence.

    No, if the person tasered goes down, they're is nothing to suggest they'll be finished off.

    When you point a weapon, anything that looks like a gun at a policeman, add in being demented drunk and already proved to be violent, you will be shot and rightly so.

    Working class cops shouldn't have to die to indulge middle class activists often ideology driven views that have no evidence or experience to back.



    No, the courts are able to tell the difference between a lethal and non lethal weapon, adding in your could have stuff is nonsense.


    The cops here are clearly incompetent.
    Being unable to restrain one person when there are two of them.
    Being unable to talk the situation into what should have happened.
    Having their taser taken off them.
    Firing three times instead of once.


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    #165
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Do you think the Cop should get a medal for his bravery?

    No, he just did his job.


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    #166
    Get Real
    Registered Users Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Get Real


    lawrencesummers wrote: »


    And he would also be alive today if the cops hadn’t used lethal force to handle a situation that didn’t need it.

    Quite easy to say though. We "know" that now. We've seen the footage. At nighttime, in the dark, if someone stops, turns and points an object at you, it's completely different.

    There's a difference between shouldn't have happened, and a person genuinely believing in a few milliseconds, that they're in danger of being killed.

    If you're told that you're legally allowed use a gun, when you believe your life is in danger. If you attend 100s of calls and they pass without incident. If you face this scenario and someone turns and points an object at you, it's down to a split second decision.

    Can't sit down, press pause and analyse. Also can't afford to make a decision to "give it a few seconds" and "sure I'll go with the benefit of the doubt here to see what way this plays out"


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    #167
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    How do you know he was a thug?

    He was being civil and co-operative. Then they tried to cuff him, and he panicked... (we don't know why - there could be many reasons). But then the officers were guilty of panicking even more so than the drunk man!

    Trigger happy and nervous cops is not a good thing when you are carrying a loaded gun. This man should not be dead - and in most other countries he wouldn't be. He'd be in front of a judge, explaining himself and probably get a slap on the wrist.

    I'm quite certain, if those cops had asked him to co-operate and let them cuff him... he would have calmly complied. But he was drunk and he panicked. He's a black guy getting arrested by two white cops. They should have given him time for his mind register what was about to happen - especially considering he was drunk. He didn't deserve to die for the mistakes he made!

    They shot him 3 times while he was running away. (Yes, he had a taser, but it's a non-lethal weapon with only one round). Shooting 3 rounds from a gun is not a reasonable or responsible reaction!

    He turned, aimed and shot at a cop. 3 shots is fully justifiable. It’s not Hollywood.


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    #168
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    An armed Gardai shot himself in the leg the other day. Wonder if he’ll claim police brutality.

    That's really funny.. brilliant bit of humour.


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    #169
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,452 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    frag420 wrote: »
    A non lethal weapon according to the US police force...

    Why use lethal force against non lethal force?

    Why didn't the violent drunk inform them that he was proceeding to draw and point a non lethal weapon at them and they should trust him now that he wasn't going to kill them.

    They knew he had no respect for others, driving a pick up so drunk he couldn't stay awake.

    Why would those working class guys put their life on line for your Suburbia driven policing fantasies?


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    #170
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    Danzy wrote: »
    That's how the Courts see it, probably because if a officer goes down the attacker then has a gun and had demonstrated a willingness to use violence.

    No, if the person tasered goes down, they're is nothing to suggest they'll be finished off.

    When you point a weapon, anything that looks like a gun at a policeman, add in being demented drunk and already proved to be violent, you will be shot and rightly so.

    Working class cops shouldn't have to die to indulge middle class activists often ideology driven views that have no evidence or experience to back.

    Again, have you any proof for this claim at all?

    And if it is true, why did the police not call for backup?


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    #171
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,966 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Not anymore thank god, maybe now some some other person just asleep in a car won't end up being shot

    Yeh, because that’s all it was. A man asleep in his car.


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    #172
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Discodog wrote: »
    In any civilised country the following driver or the drive through staff would of simply woke him up probably with a toot of their horn. One has to wonder if the staff would of even called the police if he was white.

    If police can't understand that, if you are threatened you back away, then they shouldn't be in the police. The rule is always to deescalate, calm the situation & talk. But American is totally different.

    But I doubt that many of the hang em, shoot em & flog em brigade on Boards will agree.

    Yeah the problem with some people here isn't racism it's a total lack of humanity.


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    #173
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    He turned, aimed and shot a non lethal and obsolete weapon (as far as we know) at a cop. 3 shots is far from fully justifiable. It’s not Hollywood.

    Fixed your post...


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    #174
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,448 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    ....a non lethal weapon.

    Get shot in the face with one and come back to me, in the hands if trained people they are non lethal. In the hands if a drunk man running and aiming recklessly they can be lethal.


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    #175
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,452 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Get Real wrote: »
    Quite easy to say though. We "know" that now. We've seen the footage. At nighttime, in the dark, if someone stops, turns and points an object at you, it's completely different.

    Lots of the activists can't conceive of problems or challenges outside of ones Daddy's lawyer can't fix.

    There is a real class divide playing out here.


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    #176
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    He turned, aimed and shot at a cop. 3 shots is fully justifiable. It’s not Hollywood.

    Your at odds with the law so.


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    #177
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    He ran, turned around and aimed a weapon at the officer, justified shooting imo

    Holy smokes. I wasnt expecting that comment from you.

    Respect


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    #178
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    Danzy wrote: »
    Why didn't the violent drunk inform them that he was proceeding to draw and point a non lethal weapon at them and they should trust him now that he wasn't going to kill them.

    Why didnt the cops inform him they were going to put cuffs on before they did?



    They knew he had no respect for others, driving a pick up so drunk he couldn't stay awake.

    He was dropped off at the drive thru, he had not driven there drunk.

    Why would those working class guys put their life on line for your Suburbia driven policing fantasies?

    Eh thats their job, its not a secret in police academy that the job is dangerous. They talk all the time about howe noble they are to put their life on the line to protect and serve the community
    .


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    #179
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    First off, it's very unfortunate that a young man has lost his life under these circumstances, it shouldn't have happened.

    But how stories are reported is very important, if you run this story as 'white cop kills black man who was about to celebrate his young daughter's birthday' it will cause outrage and violence, for eg, a Wendys has been burned down (well done 'protesters')

    Why not report, 'cop kills man aggressively resisting arrest'. Why the need to stress skin colour in the media unless they're actively trying to cause trouble, but of course the media would never do that!


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    #180
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,448 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Holy smokes. I wasnt expecting that comment from you.

    Respect

    I'm not the lefty liberal some people try to paint me as :)


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    #181
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Get shot in the face with one and come back to me, in the hands if trained people they are non lethal. In the hands if a drunk man running and aiming recklessly they can be lethal.

    Nope.
    Tasers are not lethal. Even when fired by somebody that’s running and drunk.

    Anyone that has died in the past by taser is due to cardiac arrest. There are two cops here, if one was hit the other can shoot.


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