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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

lawrencesummers

Cops called because a guy was asleep in his car in the queue for a drive through.
Failed field sobriety test.
Tussled with cops.
Shot and killed.
Looks on the outset like another use of excessive Force by police, but there is so much more wrong with it.

One cop has been fired and the other is Put on leave.

Firing somebody that immediately and without due process is probably in a bid to quell the protests - (but it hasn’t) But it can’t be right, surely these matters need investigation, statements and the a just decision, which may well be dismissal / charges filed etc.

There is a big risk of the authorities in the USA actually losing their own police force if they don’t maintain the law and order and due process that everyone deserves. Has the cop in this instance actually violated the procedures That are given to him for arresting people? If a cop needs to be fired then fine, fire hundreds of them but only after due process.

RIP the victim, On his daughters birthday apparently.

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joe40

weldoninhio wrote: »

An armed Gardai shot himself in the leg the other day. Wonder if he’ll claim police brutality.

That's really funny.. brilliant bit of humour.

weldoninhio

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

How do you know he was a thug?

He was being civil and co-operative. Then they tried to cuff him, and he panicked... (we don't know why - there could be many reasons). But then the officers were guilty of panicking even more so than the drunk man!

Trigger happy and nervous cops is not a good thing when you are carrying a loaded gun. This man should not be dead - and in most other countries he wouldn't be. He'd be in front of a judge, explaining himself and probably get a slap on the wrist.

I'm quite certain, if those cops had asked him to co-operate and let them cuff him... he would have calmly complied. But he was drunk and he panicked. He's a black guy getting arrested by two white cops. They should have given him time for his mind register what was about to happen - especially considering he was drunk. He didn't deserve to die for the mistakes he made!

They shot him 3 times while he was running away. (Yes, he had a taser, but it's a non-lethal weapon with only one round). Shooting 3 rounds from a gun is not a reasonable or responsible reaction!

He turned, aimed and shot at a cop. 3 shots is fully justifiable. It’s not Hollywood.

Get Real

lawrencesummers wrote: »

And he would also be alive today if the cops hadn’t used lethal force to handle a situation that didn’t need it.

Quite easy to say though. We "know" that now. We've seen the footage. At nighttime, in the dark, if someone stops, turns and points an object at you, it's completely different.

There's a difference between shouldn't have happened, and a person genuinely believing in a few milliseconds, that they're in danger of being killed.

If you're told that you're legally allowed use a gun, when you believe your life is in danger. If you attend 100s of calls and they pass without incident. If you face this scenario and someone turns and points an object at you, it's down to a split second decision.

Can't sit down, press pause and analyse. Also can't afford to make a decision to "give it a few seconds" and "sure I'll go with the benefit of the doubt here to see what way this plays out"

weldoninhio

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Do you think the Cop should get a medal for his bravery?

No, he just did his job.

lawrencesummers

Danzy wrote: »

That's how the Courts see it, probably because if a officer goes down the attacker then has a gun and had demonstrated a willingness to use violence.

No, if the person tasered goes down, they're is nothing to suggest they'll be finished off.

When you point a weapon, anything that looks like a gun at a policeman, add in being demented drunk and already proved to be violent, you will be shot and rightly so.

Working class cops shouldn't have to die to indulge middle class activists often ideology driven views that have no evidence or experience to back.

No, the courts are able to tell the difference between a lethal and non lethal weapon, adding in your could have stuff is nonsense.

The cops here are clearly incompetent.
Being unable to restrain one person when there are two of them.
Being unable to talk the situation into what should have happened.
Having their taser taken off them.
Firing three times instead of once.

Danzy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

He ran, turned around and aimed a weapon at the officer, justified shooting imo

Exactly.

You can't expect to fight the police and draw a weapon and just expect them to wait and see if you take the back of their head off.

frag420

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

He ran, turned around and aimed a weapon at the officer, justified shooting imo

A non lethal weapon according to the US police force...

Why use lethal force against non lethal force?

lawrencesummers

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

He ran, turned around and aimed a weapon at the officer, justified shooting imo

....a non lethal weapon.

Danzy

lawrencesummers wrote: »

If that’s the case then answer this hypothetical question.

If a cop tasers somebody and it is found to be unnecessary should they be charged with attempted murder?

That's how the Courts see it, probably because if a officer goes down the attacker then has a gun and had demonstrated a willingness to use violence.

No, if the person tasered goes down, they're is nothing to suggest they'll be finished off.

When you point a weapon, anything that looks like a gun at a policeman, add in being demented drunk and already proved to be violent, you will be shot and rightly so.

Working class cops shouldn't have to die to indulge middle class activists often ideology driven views that have no evidence or experience to back.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

weldoninhio wrote: »

More hug a thug shyte.

How do you know he was a thug?

He was being civil and co-operative. Then they tried to cuff him, and he panicked... (we don't know why - there could be many reasons). But then the officers were guilty of panicking even more so than the drunk man!

Trigger happy and nervous cops is not a good thing when you are carrying a loaded gun. This man should not be dead - and in most other countries he wouldn't be. He'd be in front of a judge, explaining himself and probably get a slap on the wrist.

I'm quite certain, if those cops had asked him to co-operate and let them cuff him... he would have calmly complied. But he was drunk and he panicked. He's a black guy getting arrested by two white cops. They should have given him time for his mind register what was about to happen - especially considering he was drunk. He didn't deserve to die for the mistakes he made!

They shot him 3 times while he was running away. (Yes, he had a taser, but it's a non-lethal weapon with only one round). Shooting 3 rounds from a gun is not a reasonable or responsible reaction!

The Phantom Jipper

The police seem to treat tasers as non-lethal when they're using them willy nilly against protestors, but when confronted with one, it's a reason to shoot to kill.

Timberrrrrrrr

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Do you think the Cop should get a medal for his bravery?

He ran, turned around and aimed a weapon at the officer, justified shooting imo

lawrencesummers

I’m waiting for the first person to come on here and question his previous criminal record, as if it matters.

frag420

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

And what do they do in the meantime when attending calls or stops?

Protect and serve the community?

A radical idea I know...

lawrencesummers

weldoninhio wrote: »

He wasn’t just running away though, was he? He turned back, aimed and fired a weapon at a cop. Suicide by cop.

Do you think the Cop should get a medal for his bravery?

joe40

washman3 wrote: »

The guy would be alive today if he complied with the police. End of story.!!

He didn't comply with the police so his death is justified?

Do you have children, maybe a young fella on a night out that doesn't comply with the guards.

I have a 14 year old and I'm sure he won't get in much trouble, but if he does I'm confident our Gardai deal with him, without killing him.

He doesn't deserve death for running away from the police, that is all that happened here.

zpehtsfd

frag420 wrote: »

Did he have a hidden gun, did you see it? Did the police see it?

How did they know he was violent and very drunk? Did they scan his car reg and check first?

And if they did why not call for backup, that would be the sensible and reasonable thing to do eh?

He was IDed and searched initially, so no they knew he didn't have a gun.

ExMachina1000

frag420 wrote: »

Which of the US states are the Gardai on patrol?

As for more guns, then you would think the police dept would speak out about how ****ing easy it is to get a ****ing gun in America, its not rocket science!!

And what do they do in the meantime when attending calls or stops?

zpehtsfd

Check out his video i posted earlier:

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1271940313553055745

I could be wrong but it looks to me like the chasing PO has a taser in his left hand while in pursuit, then he loses it after the man fired his taser at him. Then he pulls out his gun with his right hand and shoots.

Am i seeing thing?

weldoninhio

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The running away from cop suicide by cop. Interesting. Do you think it will catch on?

He wasn’t just running away though, was he? He turned back, aimed and fired a weapon at a cop. Suicide by cop.

frag420

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The Taser 7 (the yellow one) has a back up shot

https://www.axon.com/products/taser-7

So it was the taser 7 they used was it...?

The x3 model has three shots, maybe that was what the police had in which case they had ample opportunity between the two offices to subdue the victim without shooting him dead!

lalababa

baldshin wrote: »

Because he resisted arrest, stole a taser and shot it at a cop.

You can't just go home if found drunk and asleep in a car. You do that here and get caught, you get arrested.

I don't think there's a law here against being asleep over the limit in a car.?? I think the Garda have to prove immediate intent to drive, that is sitting in driver's seat with keys in ignition and AWAKE! You can hardly drive if you're asleep. Or am I wrong?ðŸ™‚

lawrencesummers

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

There is almost one police officer shot and killed each week in the us.

Almost shot or almost killed?

weldoninhio

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Didn't armed gardai shoot someone at a checkpoint not too long ago?

Plus there are more guns than people in the United states. Police officers are putting themselves in potential deadly situations everyday.

An armed Gardai shot himself in the leg the other day. Wonder if he’ll claim police brutality.

lawrencesummers

weldoninhio wrote: »

Same difference. Point a weapon at an armed cop, suffer the consequences. It looks like Suicide by cop.

The running away from cop suicide by cop. Interesting. Do you think it will catch on?

ExMachina1000

There is almost one police officer shot and killed each week in the us.

Discodog

In any civilised country the following driver or the drive through staff would of simply woke him up probably with a toot of their horn. One has to wonder if the staff would of even called the police if he was white.

If police can't understand that, if you are threatened you back away, then they shouldn't be in the police. The rule is always to deescalate, calm the situation & talk. But American is totally different.

But I doubt that many of the hang em, shoot em & flog em brigade on Boards will agree.

frag420

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Didn't armed gardai shoot someone at a checkpoint not too long ago?

Plus there are more guns than people in the United states. Police officers are putting themselves in potential deadly situations everyday.

Which of the US states are the Gardai on patrol?

As for more guns, then you would think the police dept would speak out about how ****ing easy it is to get a ****ing gun in America, its not rocket science!!

weldoninhio

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Shot the cop? Or shot at the cop?

Same difference. Point a weapon at an armed cop, suffer the consequences. It looks like Suicide by cop.

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frag420 wrote: »

Good idea...

The Taser 7 (the yellow one) has a back up shot

https://www.axon.com/products/taser-7