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  • #3182
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭alentejo


    We need to think how masks might work in 2 weeks time with the opening of restaurants and cafes.


  • #3183
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    alentejo wrote: »
    We need to think how masks might work in 2 weeks time with the opening of restaurants and cafes.

    Wear mask going in. Order food, sit down, wait for food to be brought to table. Sanitize hands, take mask off and place in a plastic bag. Masks can work if you want them to.


  • #3184
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,970 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    granturismo wrote: »
    I wasnt downplaying the advice of Germany for example, just that I think the Irish advice has been streets ahead of the Uks and I have no trust in anything the Chinese government announces.

    Well the Irish advice is to wear masks.
    That it hasnt been made mandatory has little to do with science and all to do with politics / legislation / enforcement as far as I can tell.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #3185
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    Would hairdressers be high risk area when they re-open with hairdryers blowing particles all over the place?

    I read their return to work plan on the Irish hairdressers federation website and hairdressers themselves plan on wearing masks. But nothing about customers wearing masks. I don't know but their measures seem pointless unless everybody wears a mask.


  • #3186
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,198 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Would hairdressers be high risk area when they re-open with hairdryers blowing particles all over the place?

    I read their return to work plan on the Irish hairdressers federation website and hairdressers themselves plan on wearing masks. But nothing about customers wearing masks. I don't know but their measures seem pointless unless everybody wears a mask.

    The RTE News of 8th June
    Among the main recommendations in the guidelines are the extensive use of PPE for stylists and customers as well as Covid-19 training for all staff.

    The rep interviewed said customers would wear masks.

    I still think hairdryers pose a risk though.


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  • #3187
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    alentejo wrote: »
    We need to think how masks might work in 2 weeks time with the opening of restaurants and cafes.

    They won't, if anything it'll be the European approach only have them on when moving around. That's if anything at all.
    Not going to have people sat there with masks on moving them up and down every time they go to take a drink


  • #3188
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Wear mask going in. Order food, sit down, wait for food to be brought to table. Sanitize hands, take mask off and place in a plastic bag. Masks can work if you want them to.

    I think I might just stay at home!


  • #3189
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    alentejo wrote: »
    I think I might just stay at home!

    Outdoor dining for me.


  • #3190
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    alentejo wrote: »
    I think I might just stay at home!

    It's not going to be anything like that, wear a mask if you want to, there isn't rules around them in restaurants or hotels that are due to open.

    You won't need to wear one when your sitting at your table.

    Here is one well known Dublin restaurant
    https://www.firesteakhouse.ie/about/welcome-back-protocol/


  • #3191
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,198 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    It's not going to be anything like that, wear a mask if you want to, there isn't rules around them in restaurants or hotels that are due to open.

    You won't need to wear one when your sitting at your table.

    Here is one well known Dublin restaurant
    https://www.firesteakhouse.ie/about/welcome-back-protocol/

    They seem to be assuming a 1 metre distancing there.


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  • #3192
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    It's not going to be anything like that, wear a mask if you want to, there isn't rules around them in restaurants or hotels that are due to open.

    You won't need to wear one when your sitting at your table.

    Here is one well known Dublin restaurant
    https://www.firesteakhouse.ie/about/welcome-back-protocol/

    You do realise it's mostly empty talk, majority of any businesses will post or advertise something like this. Reality is gonna be somewhere else tho.


  • #3193
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    You do realise it's mostly empty talk, majority of any businesses will post or advertise something like this. Reality is gonna be somewhere else tho.

    Whats on that website that's not practical or empty talk? All quite attainable if implemented which for the next few weeks I think they'll have to implement, nowhwre is going to want to be the first restaurant to get bad PR for breaking the rules, do I think guidelines will be used losely down the line, yup of course, if we're down to still low numbers in a month or 2 places will get a bit lax

    I don't want to derail the thread thought as its regarding face masks but thats one example of the restaurant setting as OP was asking.

    People can wear one if they so please, like every setting at the moment but the suggestion that everyone is going to be sat at tables with a mask on throughout the stay in the restaurant has some basic practicalities to overcome, the taking on and off of the mask each time the person wants to drink before or after meal for example. Just won't happen.

    Like I said in an earlier post if anything here it'll be based on the European model


  • #3194
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    So the mood music from the Government would suggest that face coverings on Public Transport will become compulsory sooner rather then later. Which is a good thing.

    I wonder will then go further and make them mandatory in other settings. Probably not going on past form.

    But I do think that mandatory face coverings in enclosed public spaces would allow us to relax the 2 meter rule, which would make a big difference to most businesses


  • #3195
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ShyMets wrote: »
    So the mood music from the Government would suggest that face coverings on Public Transport will become compulsory sooner rather then later. Which is a good thing.

    I wonder will then go further and make them mandatory in other settings. Probably not going on past form.

    But I do think that mandatory face coverings in enclosed public spaces would allow us to relax the 2 meter rule, which would make a big difference to most businesses

    Don't think they'll be made mandatory on public transport. Its described as legally difficult to implement, the same phrase used to describe mandatory quarantine for the last few months.


  • #3196
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Yes: to protect myself and others
    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1271627490407088129


  • #3197
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Will there be some sort of mask police or what is the plan?


  • #3198
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Will there be some sort of mask police or what is the plan?

    It would be simple enough. If someone isn't wearing a face covering they can't board public transport or enter an enclosed space.


  • #3199
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    ShyMets wrote: »
    It would be simple enough. If someone isn't wearing a face covering they can't board public transport or enter an enclosed space.

    Who will stop them? Let's say the bus driver says to someone no mask no travel but the person refuses.
    What then?


  • #3200
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Who will stop them? Let's say the bus driver says to someone no mask no travel but the person refuses.
    What then?

    What happens now if someone refuses to pay?


  • #3201
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Boggles wrote: »
    What happens now if someone refuses to pay?

    I'm not sure but I presume the Gardai are called if the person or group refuse to either pay or get off. Is that accurate?


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  • #3202
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Boggles wrote: »
    What happens now if someone refuses to pay?

    Thats completely different, to get on a train you've to go through the barriers in the station with a ticket, on the luas you can just jump on and if you've no ticket nothing happens unless you end up on a tram with a ticket inspector.

    Who is going to be checking people getting on luas and trains for face masks ?? Neither have the staff to do it.

    Buses slightly easier but drivers aren't going to want the hassle of enforcing it themselves unless there's inspectors on board.

    We don't have a transport police (we should) so the gardai also don't have the resources to be policing it


  • #3203
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Thats completely different, to get on a train you've to go through the barriers in the station with a ticket, on the luas you can just jump on and if you've no ticket nothing happens unless you end up on a tram with a ticket inspector.

    Who is going to be checking people getting on luas and trains for face masks ?? Neither have the staff to do it.

    Buses slightly easier but drivers aren't going to want the hassle of enforcing it themselves unless there's inspectors on board

    I think you get where I was going exactly. They may say its mandatory but who will enforce it?

    If it's the Gardai then will there be legislation brought in to give them the power?
    A suggestion from the health department isn't legally binding.

    Can a caretaker government even bring in such legislation?

    Masks can't just become mandatory at the drop of a hat.
    So no I won't be wearing one


  • #3204
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Thats completely different, to get on a train you've to go through the barriers in the station with a ticket, on the luas you can just jump on and if you've no ticket nothing happens unless you end up on a tram with a ticket inspector.

    Who is going to be checking people getting on luas and trains for face masks ?? Neither have the staff to do it.

    Buses slightly easier but drivers aren't going to want the hassle of enforcing it themselves unless there's inspectors on board.

    We don't have a transport police (we should) so the gardai also don't have the resources to be policing it

    There is no "can't" anymore, it's a global pandemic which may cripple the country again in the winter.

    None of the problems you listed are insurmountable.

    Pandering to dribblers who refuse to one thing or another is not an option anymore.

    Anyway, if masks are made mandatory on public transport the vast majority will respect it, it's what we have seeing in every other country who have done it.


  • #3205
    Chicoso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭Chicoso


    Boggles wrote: »
    There is no "can't" anymore, it's a global pandemic which may cripple the country again in the winter.

    None of the problems you listed are insurmountable.

    Pandering to dribblers who refuse to one thing or another is not an option anymore.

    Anyway, if masks are made mandatory on public transport the vast majority will respect it, it's what we have seeing in every other country who have done it.

    The virus didn't cripple the country, the lockdown did


  • #3206
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Chicoso wrote: »
    The virus didn't cripple the country, the lockdown did

    Fúcking hell.

    This is one of the reasons I apply a simple rule on here, no communicating with "new members".


  • #3207
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Boggles wrote: »
    There is no "can't" anymore, it's a global pandemic which may cripple the country again in the winter.

    None of the problems you listed are insurmountable.

    Pandering to dribblers who refuse to one thing or another is not an option anymore.

    Anyway, if masks are made mandatory on public transport the vast majority will respect it, it's what we have seeing in every other country who have done it.

    If they are mandatory that means someone has been given legal authority to enforce.
    Anything else is only a suggestion

    There is no legislation.


  • #3208
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Chicoso wrote: »
    The virus didn't cripple the country, the lockdown did

    If we hadn't gone down the lockdown route we risked thousands more dead and our hospitals overrun.

    We have largely suppressed the virus. But its still with us. Mandatory mask wear in certain situations can help prevent the spread of the virus in the community again


  • #3209
    Chicoso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭Chicoso


    Boggles wrote: »
    Fúcking hell.

    This is one of the reasons I apply a simple rule on here, no communicating with "new members".

    You just did


  • #3210
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Boggles wrote: »
    There is no "can't" anymore, it's a global pandemic which may cripple the country again in the winter.

    None of the problems you listed are insurmountable.

    Pandering to dribblers who refuse to one thing or another is not an option anymore.

    Anyway, if masks are made mandatory on public transport the vast majority will respect it, it's what we have seeing in every other country who have done it.

    I'm sorry but how are those problems not insurmountable??

    How is anyone supposed to police every luas stop, every train station, buses are a bit easier like i said but there's issues regardless.

    Gardai are understaffed, overtimes gone, they aren't going to be assigning officers to stations all day every day and even at that 1 or 2 officers wont be able to stop everyone.

    If we had a transport police it would be much easier to implement.

    How would you suggest luas and rail travel is addressed then if masks were introduced, who ensures compliance there? Keeping in mind most stations aren't even staffed anymore.


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  • #3211
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,198 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    Chicoso wrote: »
    The virus didn't cripple the country, the lockdown did

    Holy crap! Is this nonsense this being touted? In the long term the lockdown saved many lives, the health service, and ultimately the economy.

    Have you been living under a stone?


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