Masks

weldoninhio · 12-06-2020 01:01PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

funnydoggy wrote: »

A new petition to ask Simon Harris and NPHET to mandate masks.

Here's the link if you'd like to sign or share.

http://chng.it/GkvKPkXhPJ

Got as far as “ A group of 1000 Irish scientists” and stopped reading. If you need to lie, your petition isn’t worth a fcuk. Ten signatures so far.

Paddygreen · 12-06-2020 01:06PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

If only they were also face nappies that contained racism. That said I always mask up, even in the car to set a good example.

Elmer Blooker · 12-06-2020 01:09PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

All that after few minutes? Well in that case you better go and see your GP, because there's definitely something wrong with you

Thanks for your concern but I've no need to see my GP, I'm quite healthy and trust my immune system. I don't need a mask because I am of the opinion they are a breeding ground for bacteria and therefore unhealthy.

railer201 · 12-06-2020 01:11PM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Got as far as “ A group of 1000 Irish scientists” and stopped reading. If you need to lie, your petition isn’t worth a fcuk. Ten signatures so far.

That's true btw.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/scientists-urge-irish-government-to-crush-coronavirus-before-vaccine-available-1003978.html

The open letter has so far attracted more than 1,000 signatures. Among these are Professor Anthony Staines of Dublin City University (DCU), Professor Gerard Killeen of University College Cork and Dr Tomás Ryan of Trinity College Dublin.

It's your posts than aren't worth a fcuk. :rolleyes:

Supercell · 12-06-2020 01:16PM

My wife (from Wuhan originally) tells me that in China currently there is no 2 meter social distancing or any distancing for that matter but masks are obligatory in shops etc. They have it well under control there now so seems like a no brainer to me. Open up the country but make masks obligatory in enclosed spaces - trains, buses, shops, pubs etc.
Nb actually no clue how to do it in pubs properly, maybe social distancing there is best or outside drinking only ??

xhomelezz · 12-06-2020 01:19PM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Got as far as “ A group of 1000 Irish scientists” and stopped reading. If you need to lie, your petition isn’t worth a fcuk. Ten signatures so far.

Seriously don't understand why you bother posting your nonsense here. You have nothing valid to say. Even if it is some valid argument against masks, I would understand. But your comments are just as empty as your head is. Only thing I'm interested to hear from you is your IQ, if you hit values around 60, I'll be very surprised

railer201 · 12-06-2020 01:21PM

Yes: valved

xhomelezz wrote: »

Seriously don't understand why you bother posting your nonsense here. You have nothing valid to say. Even if it is some valid argument against masks, I would understand. But your comments are just as empty as your head is. Only thing I'm interested to hear from you is your IQ, if you hit values around 60, I'll be very surprised

I'm cracking up after reading that !

Arrival · 12-06-2020 01:23PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Thanks for your concern but I've no need to see my GP, I'm quite healthy and trust my immune system. I don't need a mask because I am of the opinion they are a breeding ground for bacteria and therefore unhealthy.

If you brush and floss your teeth you won't have as much bacteria inside your mask. Bonus points for using mouthwash as well

xhomelezz · 12-06-2020 01:24PM

Yes: valved

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Thanks for your concern but I've no need to see my GP, I'm quite healthy and trust my immune system. I don't need a mask because I am of the opinion they are a breeding ground for bacteria and therefore unhealthy.

Well your previous post doesn't make sense to me. I wear mask daily, mainly because of work and don't have this kind of problems at all. So either you've just made it up, or you must have some kind of health issues. BTW you might check what immune system does when you infected with Covid-19.

weldoninhio · 12-06-2020 01:41PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

railer201 wrote: »

That's true btw.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/scientists-urge-irish-government-to-crush-coronavirus-before-vaccine-available-1003978.html

It's your posts than aren't worth a fcuk. :rolleyes:

A "group of 1000 Irish scientists" is not the same as "1,000 signatures".

Want me to explain it to you??

Tom Doorley - "wine consultant" is not a scientist.
Darragh Hogan - "Pensions portfolio manager" is not a scientist.
Cliodhna O'Sullivan - "former student" is not a scientist.
Julius McMahon - "student" is not a scientist.

odyssey06 · 12-06-2020 01:45PM

There's a clarification on the Irish Examiner article:
A previous version of this story incorrectly stated that 1,000 scientists had signed the open letter. The letter received more than 1,000 signatures, including researchers and academics. It has not been signed by 1,000 scientists.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/scientists-urge-irish-government-to-crush-coronavirus-before-vaccine-available-1003978.html

Anyhoo I have signed it but probably my BSc isn't the BSc you're looking for.

weldoninhio · 12-06-2020 01:51PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

There's a clarification on the Irish Examiner article:
A previous version of this story incorrectly stated that 1,000 scientists had signed the open letter. The letter received more than 1,000 signatures, including researchers and academics. It has not been signed by 1,000 scientists.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/scientists-urge-irish-government-to-crush-coronavirus-before-vaccine-available-1003978.html

Anyhoo I have signed it but probably my BSc isn't the BSc you're looking for.

There is no clarification on the petition claiming that they have a letter backed by 1000 Irish scientists.

railer201 · 12-06-2020 02:10PM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

A "group of 1000 Irish scientists" is not the same as "1,000 signatures".

Want me to explain it to you??

Tom Doorley - "wine consultant" is not a scientist.
Darragh Hogan - "Pensions portfolio manager" is not a scientist.
Cliodhna O'Sullivan - "former student" is not a scientist.
Julius McMahon - "student" is not a scientist.

That's just 4 and without any link - 996 names to go and with a link please. Somehow I think I'll be waiting.

weldoninhio · 12-06-2020 02:34PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

railer201 wrote: »

That's just 4 and without any link - 996 names to go and with a link please. Somehow I think I'll be waiting.

Without a link?? It's on the crushthecurve website, along with all of the signatories. And the poster above has shown that the Irish Examiner have published a retraction. And you still can't understand

:D:D

"There's a clarification on the Irish Examiner article:
A previous version of this story incorrectly stated that 1,000 scientists had signed the open letter. The letter received more than 1,000 signatures, including researchers and academics. It has not been signed by 1,000 scientists." :rolleyes:

granturismo · 12-06-2020 02:35PM

No: other

ShineOn7 wrote: »

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This is a KN95 mask

...?

Just a cautionary note about KN95, the UK equivalent of the HSA have issued this:
https://www.hse.gov.uk/safetybulletins/use-of-face-masks-designated-kn95.htm?utm_source=govdelivery&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=kn95-safety-alert&utm_content=intro

The UK HSE mandate is for workplace safety and their advice is aimed as such 'KN95 must not be used as PPE at work as their effectiveness cannot be assured' I think some people are confusing face coverings with face masks. Face coverings have no filtration standard recognised in the EU, they will act as a partial barrier but then face masks are not 100% effective either but do offer better protection.

Surgical masks and nuisance masks (the type we buy for DIY floor sanding etc) have EU ratings FFP1. FP1 or just P1 to P2 to P3. P3 (F/FP3) offers the highest protection - for every 20 particles a P3 mask allows one particle through the material. Particles are dust particles, not molecules or individual virus particles.

Be careful what you buy vs what the seller is claiming or not just by advertising a few buzzwords or standards. Some people find wearing face coverings/masks uncomfortable and restrictive.

Jim_Hodge · 12-06-2020 02:41PM

Yes: homemade

railer201 wrote: »

That's just 4 and without any link - 996 names to go and with a link please. Somehow I think I'll be waiting.

You don't need to be spoon-fed a link, it's easily available to you. Have a look at the signatories, there's far from 1000 scientists listed.

The letter received more than 1,000 signatures, including researchers and academics. It has not been signed by 1,000 scientists.

It certainly includes academics from many fields (quite a few unrelated fields at that) but the vast majority is ordinary Joe Soaps like ourselves.

xhomelezz · 12-06-2020 02:48PM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Without a link?? It's on the crushthecurve website, along with all of the signatories. And the poster above has shown that the Irish Examiner have published a retraction. And you still can't understand :D:D

"There's a clarification on the Irish Examiner article:
A previous version of this story incorrectly stated that 1,000 scientists had signed the open letter. The letter received more than 1,000 signatures, including researchers and academics. It has not been signed by 1,000 scientists." :rolleyes:

Well my friend, this is my last answer to your posts, because got yellow card for not being civil in my last reply to your posts. At least I'm not calling people liars.. That letter was not backed up by 1000 scientists, that was clarified, but still there are plenty of big names there. Believe they are well educated in compare to some other individuals. Anyway gonna ignore your future trolling and word games. Best of luck to you and mask up!

railer201 · 12-06-2020 02:51PM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Without a link?? It's on the crushthecurve website, along with all of the signatories. And the poster above has shown that the Irish Examiner have published a retraction. And you still can't understand :D:D

"There's a clarification on the Irish Examiner article:
A previous version of this story incorrectly stated that 1,000 scientists had signed the open letter. The letter received more than 1,000 signatures, including researchers and academics. It has not been signed by 1,000 scientists." :rolleyes:

So where's the link then ? Surely it can't be that difficult to provide it ? Then we can work out how many scientists, medics and other academics signed it. Simple - provide evidence for what your saying, not invitations to a cyber treasure hunt.

MipMap · 12-06-2020 03:02PM

Yes: homemade

https://www.annallergy.org/article/S1081-1206(10)60096-8/abstract

The occurrence of an immediate skin reaction to textiles is extremely rare.

We cannot make masks(face coverings) mandatory because of allergies.
The UK can.
Spain Can
France Can
China Can
Czech Republic, Poland, Austria, Italy, Germany etc., etc., can.

granturismo · 12-06-2020 03:16PM

No: other

MipMap wrote: »

We cannot make masks(face coverings) mandatory because of allergies.
The UK can.
Spain Can
France Can
China Can
Czech Republic, Poland, Austria, Italy, Germany etc., etc., can.

I'd prefer to take any advice from Irish health and government sources rather than the UK or China.

odyssey06 · 12-06-2020 03:22PM

granturismo wrote: »

I'd prefer to take any advice from Irish health and government sources rather than the UK or China.

What do you think the chances are that the similar authorities in Germany, France and yes Britain & China are all wrong on this; and we're the ones who are right?

railer201 · 12-06-2020 03:22PM

Yes: valved

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You don't need to be spoon-fed a link, it's easily available to you. Have a look at the signatories, there's far from 1000 scientists listed.
It certainly includes academics from many fields (quite a few unrelated fields at that) but the vast majority is ordinary Joe Soaps like ourselves.

There's a an ordinary Joe soap in there that I actually know, an ex TCD experimental physicist as it happens. He doesn't list his academic achievements, kind of typical of him.

It doesn't prove anything of course but from my brief reading the majority are at least have third level quals. in something or other. So if the original claim had have been 1000 scientists and academics then that is generally correct, seeing as the total also runs up to over 1300.

Yes - if people want to argue their case - they should provide a link like most of us who support mask usage have done throughout the thread.

xhomelezz · 12-06-2020 03:22PM

Yes: valved

granturismo wrote: »

I'd prefer to take any advice from Irish health and government sources rather than the UK or China.

Ah well, good luck with that. They proved themselves. Not saying the other two options are better. Don't think there was any recorded deaths or serious health problems connected to wearing masks from Czech republic and I'm watching news from my home country closely. Not mentioning favourite mental health issues.

weldoninhio · 12-06-2020 03:57PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

railer201 wrote: »

So where's the link then ? Surely it can't be that difficult to provide it ? Then we can work out how many scientists, medics and other academics signed it. Simple - provide evidence for what your saying, not invitations to a cyber treasure hunt.

I literally gave you the website (It's on the crushthecurve website). The signatories are on the website. Do you want me to call to your gaff and type it in for you?? :rolleyes:

weldoninhio · 12-06-2020 04:00PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

railer201 wrote: »

There's a an ordinary Joe soap in there that I actually know, an ex TCD experimental physicist as it happens. He doesn't list his academic achievements, kind of typical of him.

It doesn't prove anything of course but from my brief reading the majority are at least have third level quals. in something or other. So if the original claim had have been 1000 scientists and academics then that is generally correct, seeing as the total also runs up to over 1300.

Yes - if people want to argue their case - they should provide a link like most of us who support mask usage have done throughout the thread.

Hahahahahahahaha, there was absolutely no mention of academics until you literally just said it there. FFS, you didn't just move the goalposts, you created them.

From the literal lying and dishonest petition "A group of 1000 Irish scientists led by Professor Anthony Staines from DCU are advocating widespread mask use among other measures to “Crush the Curve”"

xhomelezz · 12-06-2020 04:08PM

Yes: valved

You know railer201, you can't beat stupidity and ignorance ever. Some people just chose that path and there's no way to show them different way to go.

railer201 · 12-06-2020 04:12PM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hahahahahahahaha, there was absolutely no mention of academics until you literally just said it there. FFS, you didn't just move the goalposts, you created them.

From the literal lying and dishonest petition "A group of 1000 Irish scientists led by Professor Anthony Staines from DCU are advocating widespread mask use among other measures to “Crush the Curve”"

Good on them. I fully support their efforts - do you ? If not why not ?

Jim_Hodge · 12-06-2020 04:13PM

Yes: homemade

railer201 wrote: »

There's a an ordinary Joe soap in there that I actually know, an ex TCD experimental physicist as it happens. He doesn't list his academic achievements, kind of typical of him.

It doesn't prove anything of course but from my brief reading the majority are at least have third level quals. in something or other. So if the original claim had have been 1000 scientists and academics then that is generally correct, seeing as the total also runs up to over 1300.

Yes - if people want to argue their case - they should provide a link like most of us who support mask usage have done throughout the thread.

This suggests you don't need a link, if you can see who signed it. I've gone through it, know a few personally, and there's few scientists with a relevant qualification and many 'academics' from unrelated field but the majority are neither.
Gee a third level qualification! That stands for nothing as your 'in something or other' proves.

I'm very much pro masks myself but making claims about this letter that are blatantly untrue doesn't help the case at all.

granturismo · 12-06-2020 04:52PM

No: other

odyssey06 wrote: »

What do you think the chances are that the similar authorities in Germany, France and yes Britain & China are all wrong on this; and we're the ones who are right?

I wasnt downplaying the advice of Germany for example, just that I think the Irish advice has been streets ahead of the Uks and I have no trust in anything the Chinese government announces.

odyssey06 · 12-06-2020 06:20PM

TAOISEACH LEO VARADKAR has said work is being done to look at making wearing a mask a pre-condition to travel on public transport.
Varadkar said that such an approach wouldn’t be “entirely straightforward” but would be examined nonetheless. He added however that he would not like to see a situation where people would be fined for not wearing one.

https://www.thejournal.ie/face-covering-public-transport-5121509-Jun2020/

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