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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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alentejo

We need to think how masks might work in 2 weeks time with the opening of restaurants and cafes.

Away With The Fairies

alentejo wrote: »

We need to think how masks might work in 2 weeks time with the opening of restaurants and cafes.

Wear mask going in. Order food, sit down, wait for food to be brought to table. Sanitize hands, take mask off and place in a plastic bag. Masks can work if you want them to.

odyssey06

granturismo wrote: »

I wasnt downplaying the advice of Germany for example, just that I think the Irish advice has been streets ahead of the Uks and I have no trust in anything the Chinese government announces.

Well the Irish advice is to wear masks.
That it hasnt been made mandatory has little to do with science and all to do with politics / legislation / enforcement as far as I can tell.

Away With The Fairies

Would hairdressers be high risk area when they re-open with hairdryers blowing particles all over the place?

I read their return to work plan on the Irish hairdressers federation website and hairdressers themselves plan on wearing masks. But nothing about customers wearing masks. I don't know but their measures seem pointless unless everybody wears a mask.

Jim_Hodge

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Would hairdressers be high risk area when they re-open with hairdryers blowing particles all over the place?

I read their return to work plan on the Irish hairdressers federation website and hairdressers themselves plan on wearing masks. But nothing about customers wearing masks. I don't know but their measures seem pointless unless everybody wears a mask.

The RTE News of 8th June

Among the main recommendations in the guidelines are the extensive use of PPE for stylists and customers as well as Covid-19 training for all staff.

The rep interviewed said customers would wear masks.

I still think hairdryers pose a risk though.

stephenjmcd

alentejo wrote: »

We need to think how masks might work in 2 weeks time with the opening of restaurants and cafes.

They won't, if anything it'll be the European approach only have them on when moving around. That's if anything at all.
Not going to have people sat there with masks on moving them up and down every time they go to take a drink

alentejo

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Wear mask going in. Order food, sit down, wait for food to be brought to table. Sanitize hands, take mask off and place in a plastic bag. Masks can work if you want them to.

I think I might just stay at home!

Away With The Fairies

alentejo wrote: »

I think I might just stay at home!

Outdoor dining for me.

stephenjmcd

alentejo wrote: »

I think I might just stay at home!

It's not going to be anything like that, wear a mask if you want to, there isn't rules around them in restaurants or hotels that are due to open.

You won't need to wear one when your sitting at your table.

Here is one well known Dublin restaurant
https://www.firesteakhouse.ie/about/welcome-back-protocol/

Jim_Hodge

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's not going to be anything like that, wear a mask if you want to, there isn't rules around them in restaurants or hotels that are due to open.

You won't need to wear one when your sitting at your table.

Here is one well known Dublin restaurant
https://www.firesteakhouse.ie/about/welcome-back-protocol/

They seem to be assuming a 1 metre distancing there.

xhomelezz

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's not going to be anything like that, wear a mask if you want to, there isn't rules around them in restaurants or hotels that are due to open.

You won't need to wear one when your sitting at your table.

Here is one well known Dublin restaurant
https://www.firesteakhouse.ie/about/welcome-back-protocol/

You do realise it's mostly empty talk, majority of any businesses will post or advertise something like this. Reality is gonna be somewhere else tho.

stephenjmcd

xhomelezz wrote: »

You do realise it's mostly empty talk, majority of any businesses will post or advertise something like this. Reality is gonna be somewhere else tho.

Whats on that website that's not practical or empty talk? All quite attainable if implemented which for the next few weeks I think they'll have to implement, nowhwre is going to want to be the first restaurant to get bad PR for breaking the rules, do I think guidelines will be used losely down the line, yup of course, if we're down to still low numbers in a month or 2 places will get a bit lax

I don't want to derail the thread thought as its regarding face masks but thats one example of the restaurant setting as OP was asking.

People can wear one if they so please, like every setting at the moment but the suggestion that everyone is going to be sat at tables with a mask on throughout the stay in the restaurant has some basic practicalities to overcome, the taking on and off of the mask each time the person wants to drink before or after meal for example. Just won't happen.

Like I said in an earlier post if anything here it'll be based on the European model

ShyMets

So the mood music from the Government would suggest that face coverings on Public Transport will become compulsory sooner rather then later. Which is a good thing.

I wonder will then go further and make them mandatory in other settings. Probably not going on past form.

But I do think that mandatory face coverings in enclosed public spaces would allow us to relax the 2 meter rule, which would make a big difference to most businesses

stephenjmcd

ShyMets wrote: »

So the mood music from the Government would suggest that face coverings on Public Transport will become compulsory sooner rather then later. Which is a good thing.

I wonder will then go further and make them mandatory in other settings. Probably not going on past form.

But I do think that mandatory face coverings in enclosed public spaces would allow us to relax the 2 meter rule, which would make a big difference to most businesses

Don't think they'll be made mandatory on public transport. Its described as legally difficult to implement, the same phrase used to describe mandatory quarantine for the last few months.

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1271627490407088129

ExMachina1000

Will there be some sort of mask police or what is the plan?

ShyMets

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Will there be some sort of mask police or what is the plan?

It would be simple enough. If someone isn't wearing a face covering they can't board public transport or enter an enclosed space.

ExMachina1000

ShyMets wrote: »

It would be simple enough. If someone isn't wearing a face covering they can't board public transport or enter an enclosed space.

Who will stop them? Let's say the bus driver says to someone no mask no travel but the person refuses.
What then?

Boggles

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Who will stop them? Let's say the bus driver says to someone no mask no travel but the person refuses.
What then?

What happens now if someone refuses to pay?

ExMachina1000

Boggles wrote: »

What happens now if someone refuses to pay?

I'm not sure but I presume the Gardai are called if the person or group refuse to either pay or get off. Is that accurate?

stephenjmcd

Boggles wrote: »

What happens now if someone refuses to pay?

Thats completely different, to get on a train you've to go through the barriers in the station with a ticket, on the luas you can just jump on and if you've no ticket nothing happens unless you end up on a tram with a ticket inspector.

Who is going to be checking people getting on luas and trains for face masks ?? Neither have the staff to do it.

Buses slightly easier but drivers aren't going to want the hassle of enforcing it themselves unless there's inspectors on board.

We don't have a transport police (we should) so the gardai also don't have the resources to be policing it

ExMachina1000

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats completely different, to get on a train you've to go through the barriers in the station with a ticket, on the luas you can just jump on and if you've no ticket nothing happens unless you end up on a tram with a ticket inspector.

Who is going to be checking people getting on luas and trains for face masks ?? Neither have the staff to do it.

Buses slightly easier but drivers aren't going to want the hassle of enforcing it themselves unless there's inspectors on board

I think you get where I was going exactly. They may say its mandatory but who will enforce it?

If it's the Gardai then will there be legislation brought in to give them the power?
A suggestion from the health department isn't legally binding.

Can a caretaker government even bring in such legislation?

Masks can't just become mandatory at the drop of a hat.
So no I won't be wearing one

Boggles

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats completely different, to get on a train you've to go through the barriers in the station with a ticket, on the luas you can just jump on and if you've no ticket nothing happens unless you end up on a tram with a ticket inspector.

Who is going to be checking people getting on luas and trains for face masks ?? Neither have the staff to do it.

Buses slightly easier but drivers aren't going to want the hassle of enforcing it themselves unless there's inspectors on board.

We don't have a transport police (we should) so the gardai also don't have the resources to be policing it

There is no "can't" anymore, it's a global pandemic which may cripple the country again in the winter.

None of the problems you listed are insurmountable.

Pandering to dribblers who refuse to one thing or another is not an option anymore.

Anyway, if masks are made mandatory on public transport the vast majority will respect it, it's what we have seeing in every other country who have done it.

Chicoso

Boggles wrote: »

There is no "can't" anymore, it's a global pandemic which may cripple the country again in the winter.

None of the problems you listed are insurmountable.

Pandering to dribblers who refuse to one thing or another is not an option anymore.

Anyway, if masks are made mandatory on public transport the vast majority will respect it, it's what we have seeing in every other country who have done it.

The virus didn't cripple the country, the lockdown did

Boggles

Chicoso wrote: »

The virus didn't cripple the country, the lockdown did

Fúcking hell.

This is one of the reasons I apply a simple rule on here, no communicating with "new members".

ExMachina1000

Boggles wrote: »

There is no "can't" anymore, it's a global pandemic which may cripple the country again in the winter.

None of the problems you listed are insurmountable.

Pandering to dribblers who refuse to one thing or another is not an option anymore.

Anyway, if masks are made mandatory on public transport the vast majority will respect it, it's what we have seeing in every other country who have done it.

If they are mandatory that means someone has been given legal authority to enforce.
Anything else is only a suggestion

There is no legislation.

ShyMets

Chicoso wrote: »

The virus didn't cripple the country, the lockdown did

If we hadn't gone down the lockdown route we risked thousands more dead and our hospitals overrun.

We have largely suppressed the virus. But its still with us. Mandatory mask wear in certain situations can help prevent the spread of the virus in the community again

Chicoso

Boggles wrote: »

Fúcking hell.

This is one of the reasons I apply a simple rule on here, no communicating with "new members".

You just did

stephenjmcd

Boggles wrote: »

There is no "can't" anymore, it's a global pandemic which may cripple the country again in the winter.

None of the problems you listed are insurmountable.

Pandering to dribblers who refuse to one thing or another is not an option anymore.

Anyway, if masks are made mandatory on public transport the vast majority will respect it, it's what we have seeing in every other country who have done it.

I'm sorry but how are those problems not insurmountable??

How is anyone supposed to police every luas stop, every train station, buses are a bit easier like i said but there's issues regardless.

Gardai are understaffed, overtimes gone, they aren't going to be assigning officers to stations all day every day and even at that 1 or 2 officers wont be able to stop everyone.

If we had a transport police it would be much easier to implement.

How would you suggest luas and rail travel is addressed then if masks were introduced, who ensures compliance there? Keeping in mind most stations aren't even staffed anymore.

Jim_Hodge

Chicoso wrote: »

The virus didn't cripple the country, the lockdown did

Holy crap! Is this nonsense this being touted? In the long term the lockdown saved many lives, the health service, and ultimately the economy.

Have you been living under a stone?