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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #3872
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    If any restaurants, or other similar businesses for that matter, ignore the 2m distance regulation without being given the green light to do so from government then surely their insurance cover would be invalidated in the event of a claim whether directly covid related or not?

    I see the insurance issue being posted a lot, but I fail to see how any customer of a business would be able to demonstrate that they picked up the virus while in that premises. First question would be could they account for all their other movements within the 14 days prior to infection, and how do they know any encounter they had in this time was not where infection occurred. They may be able to demonstrate that lack of distancing put them at risk, but that is all.


  • #3873
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    If they put a sign on the front door - eat here at your own risk, surely that covers that?

    A bit like what a lot of places do with "Management will not accept any responsibility for lost or stolen personal items left unattended"

    Govt regulation also says every table has to be sanitised every 30 minutes, govt regulation says a lot of nonsense basically. :rolleyes:

    Nevertheless businesses will be obliged to follow the public health regulations for as long as they remain in place whether you consider them as nonsense or not.


  • #3874
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,462 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I see the insurance issue being posted a lot, but I fail to see how any customer of a business would be able to demonstrate the they picked up the virus while in that premises. First question would be could they account for all their other movements within the 14 days prior to infection, and how do they know any encounter they had in this time was not where infection occurred. They may be able to demonstrate that lack of distancing put them at risk, but that is all.

    Its the same argument that's been had with regards to the workplace, could I sue my workplace if I contract covid ?? The answer good luck proving it. The chance of it being even considered in a court is slim taking into the account the multiple places it could have been contracted over the 14 day period as you say.


  • #3875
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    If they put a sign on the front door - eat here at your own risk, surely that covers that?

    A bit like what a lot of places do with "Management will not accept any responsibility for lost or stolen personal items left unattended"

    Govt regulation also says every table has to be sanitised every 30 minutes, govt regulation says a lot of nonsense basically. :rolleyes:


    Break any health and Safety guidelines and you be shut down.


  • #3876
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its the same argument that's been had with regards to the workplace, could I sue my workplace if I contract covid ?? The answer good luck proving it. The chance of it being even considered in a court is slim taking into the account the multiple places it could have been contracted over the 14 day period as you say.

    Yeah, I think nearly all businesses are very well aware of this.

    What will come out of it all is kitchen staff and waiting staff potentially having to wear masks for god knows how long.

    I think i read an article couple of weeks back - insurance firms wont insure for covid.

    So yeah, govt will either gotta come in and force insurers to play ball (which they wont) or gotta genuinely keep the "regulations" as some here say, as guidelines as you correctly point out.


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  • #3877
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    average_runner wrote: »
    Break any health and Safety guidelines and you be shut down.

    The guidelines on this topic say "where possible" an awful lot.


  • #3878
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its the same argument that's been had with regards to the workplace, could I sue my workplace if I contract covid ?? The answer good luck proving it. The chance of it being even considered in a court is slim taking into the account the multiple places it could have been contracted over the 14 day period as you say.

    Probably be like Germany and Poland work place including restaurants would not be directly held responsible for an infection one safe gaurds are in place and implemented.
    But if a person knowingly infected were to go to work , shops restaurant's they would be severely prosecuted


  • #3879
    chris525
    Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭chris525


    God, I don't want the lockdown to end. I like doing whatever I want and working from home not having people breathing down my neck all the time.


  • #3880
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    chris525 wrote: »
    God, I don't want the lockdown to end. I like doing whatever I want and working from home not having people breathing down my neck all the time.

    At least you been honest


  • #3881
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    chris525 wrote: »
    God, I don't want the lockdown to end. I like doing whatever I want and working from home not having people breathing down my neck all the time.

    Time to go freelance! Or else convince your boss to let you wfh


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  • #3882
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    chris525 wrote: »
    God, I don't want the lockdown to end. I like doing whatever I want and working from home not having people breathing down my neck all the time.




    We were told no rush back into the office. So at least home till Oct if not Dec.
    Means nice relaxing morning to walk the dog, go for a run and start work.
    Good coffee beside me. What more to ask for.


    One thing lockdown has shown me, I have been rushing around way too much, no need to waste time in shopping centres etc.


    Amazon is a gift and can't see me switching from online shopping.


  • #3883
    Jackman25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Jackman25


    storker wrote: »
    Wow you have a low threshold. Here's disgusting:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113357466&postcount=8414

    ...along with anyone who gave it a like. (All now on my previously-empty ignore list.)

    Just the one poster then ya. Not "some posters".


  • #3884
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Fear, fear and more fear!
    I have heard 'vaccination' and 'masks' mentioned thousands of times over the past three months but NOT once have I heard these experts mention the importance of a healthy diet to boost the immune system,

    By all accounts a lot of people are eating healthier, cooking from scratch and taking more exercise.
    So maybe they think people would call them dictators or nannies if they did that?

    I would have thought the research done by Trinity into the role Vit D has to play in probably preventing the virus could have been mentioned .


  • #3885
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    chris525 wrote: »
    God, I don't want the lockdown to end. I like doing whatever I want and working from home not having people breathing down my neck all the time.

    It's no judgement on anyone but i did think this would happen with a lot of people- if wfh is possible for them and fits around their lives then it is very easy to get used to- especially if you have a long miserable commute to contend with. Also a lot of the office BS with constant meetings etc has been reduced.
    There are others of course that can't wait to get back to the routine and structure of the office and also human interaction.


  • #3886
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    So you are saying things are f*ed now, but they were bad in the past so all is fine?

    'This is as bad as I've ever seen': Anti-social behaviour escalates in Cork neighbourhood of The Glen

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/this-is-as-bad-as-ive-ever-seen-anti-social-behaviour-escalates-in-cork-neighbourhood-of-the-glen-1004305.html

    I personally can confirm that i see A LOT MORE YOUTH out smoking, drinking and a lot of loud music especially in parks in my area anyways, than before covid.

    Have you ever been directly on the receiving end of extreme anti social behaviour like which happened to me long before the covid virus had ever appeared here? I would guess you haven`t if you think it`s any worse now than before.


  • #3887
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭storker


    Jackman25 wrote: »
    Just the one poster then ya. Not "some posters".

    I'm including those who thanked it.


  • #3888
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see the insurance issue being posted a lot, but I fail to see how any customer of a business would be able to demonstrate that they picked up the virus while in that premises.
    Contact tracers will identify the source of a cluster. It many cases it will be quite obvious.

    A business will be in an interesting legal, regulatory and insurance position if it can be proven that they were not following public health guidelines. Particularly a food-related business.


  • #3889
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    My gut feeling now about the wearing of masks Is that they’ll be made mandatory in the next week or so, regardless of how many or little cases we get. The rhetoric from all the experts here is wear one and they keep banging that drum until it happens. They are getting seriously painful and love the sound of their own voice at this stage for them to stop..
    virus is dying out. Covid cases in hospital are dropping every day. Once that gets close to zero, hopefully the same with icu in the next week to 10 days that the full reopening will happen on the 29th of June and all going well then do what New Zealand done and get rid of all restrictions including social distancing. Could take 8 weeks might take 16 weeks!! I’ve plenty of weddings next year and I sure as hell won’t be social distancing or wearing a mask at them..


  • #3890
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,819 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    chris525 wrote: »
    God, I don't want the lockdown to end. I like doing whatever I want and working from home not having people breathing down my neck all the time.

    We are WFH for next few months anyway,
    but even after that we can now take 2/3 days a week WFH (no permission needed, just let "to whom it may concern know", which is great.
    Really opens up options in terms of where you live. A long commute two days a week is quite doable, whereas 5 days a week would be a nightmare.

    You would hope more companies would start to follow this trend.

    Our place was always flexible in terms of WFH anyway, but it really surprised me how little it was used. I think I was the only one who actually used it just for the sake of it for 1 or 2 days a week. Almost all others only used it for appointments, expected deliveries etc.


  • #3891
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    growleaves wrote: »
    Who knows, but Extinction Rebellion are looking for something akin to an economic shutdown to reduce carbon emissions.

    I'll be opposing such a shutdown, even if extreme weather events and climate model projections convince the many to support it.

    I'll also be opposing techno-surveillance, to monitor carbon emissions per person, and whatever other wicked schemes are being dreamt up by allegedly 'well-meaning' people.

    I actually agree with you in this , there are better ways to go about reducing emissions than shutdown which has been traumatic enough , although I think necessary , for Covid 19.
    Also any surveillance is a dangerous path to venture on . Definitely not ready for that .


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  • #3892
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    So you are saying things are f*ed now, but they were bad in the past so all is fine?

    'This is as bad as I've ever seen': Anti-social behaviour escalates in Cork neighbourhood of The Glen

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/this-is-as-bad-as-ive-ever-seen-anti-social-behaviour-escalates-in-cork-neighbourhood-of-the-glen-1004305.html

    I personally can confirm that i see A LOT MORE YOUTH out smoking, drinking and a lot of loud music especially in parks in my area anyways, than before covid.

    Oh no ! Lock them up !


  • #3893
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    I thought this news report was overstated, but reading the thread maybe not:
    https://www.insider.com/people-with-psychopathic-traits-more-likely-ignore-social-distancing-2020-6

    ""One potential implication from this research is that there may be a minority of people with particular personality styles (on the narcissism and psychopathy spectrum) that have a disproportionate impact on the pandemic by failing to protect themselves and others," he said."

    Executive summary: Scientists confirm arseholes are arseholes 😀


  • #3894
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Probably be like Germany and Poland work place including restaurants would not be directly held responsible for an infection one safe gaurds are in place and implemented.
    But if a person knowingly infected were to go to work , shops restaurant's they would be severely prosecuted

    Or if a particular pub or restaurant is found to have a cluster of cases in common they may be closed by public health until they can deep clean and show they are meeting regulations .


  • #3895
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    chris525 wrote: »
    God, I don't want the lockdown to end. I like doing whatever I want and working from home not having people breathing down my neck all the time.

    Try getting a job where you can work from home full time, I've done so since 2017 and love it.


  • #3896
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    They just needed to hold on for few more weeks

    Four Monsoon and Accessorize outlets to close in Republic
    British fashion retailers fell into administration late on Tuesday

    Two stores on Cork’s Patrick Street, one on Grafton Street in Dublin and one in the Market Cross Shopping Centre in Kilkenny will permanently shut as a result of the deal

    In total, as part of the deal 35 stores across Ireland and Britain will shut with about 545 staff being made redundant. The company will retain five stores in the Republic.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/four-monsoon-and-accessorize-outlets-to-close-in-republic-1.4275371?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fretail-and-services%2Ffour-monsoon-and-accessorize-outlets-to-close-in-republic-1.4275371

    Another one bites the dust.

    I hope its a bit more clear why I want other businesses, you know cinemas, barbers, gyms, pubs all to open. Gives them a better chance to avoid this fate. These guys were lucky that they were bought and some stores will remain open but jobs will be lost and stores will be closed :(


  • #3897
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jackman25 wrote: »
    Just the one poster then ya. Not "some posters".

    Lot more than one across the threads from the odd time I check them.


  • #3898
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    storker wrote: »
    I'm including those who thanked it.

    In fairness there has been a lot of posters who have used the line about its ok its only old people get it and it has been pretty rampant earlier in the thread.
    But to expect anyone to go back over 4 long threads to find all the individual posts is disingenuous in the extreme . We know who they are, Storker .

    A lot of nasty stuff has been said on both sides here I will admit , so it goes to show while not excusable , people are very divided on this thread, black and white .


  • #3899
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    My gut feeling now about the wearing of masks Is that they’ll be made mandatory in the next week or so, regardless of how many or little cases we get. The rhetoric from all the experts here is wear one and they keep banging that drum until it happens. They are getting seriously painful and love the sound of their own voice at this stage for them to stop..
    virus is dying out. Covid cases in hospital are dropping every day. Once that gets close to zero, hopefully the same with icu in the next week to 10 days that the full reopening will happen on the 29th of June and all going well then do what New Zealand done and get rid of all restrictions including social distancing. Could take 8 weeks might take 16 weeks!! I’ve plenty of weddings next year and I sure as hell won’t be social distancing or wearing a mask at them..

    Has New Zealand lifted the travel ban with other countries yet? I know Australia is allowed but what about visitors from elsewhere or will they be quarantined?


  • #3900
    Jackman25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Jackman25


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    In fairness there has been a lot of posters who have used the line about its ok its only old people get it and it has been pretty rampant earlier in the thread.
    But to expect anyone to go back over 4 long threads to find all the individual posts is disingenuous in the extreme . We know who they are storker .

    A lot of nasty stuff has been said on both sides here I will admit , so it goes to show while not excusable , people are very divided on this thread, black and white .

    Its one thing to say that its mainly old people that suffer at the hands of the virus. That's just a fact.
    Its quite another to say that they are expendable or beyond use etc, which I don't believe is the opinion of any of the regular posters on this thread.


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  • #3901
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I actually agree with you in this , there are better ways to go about reducing emissions than shutdown which has been traumatic enough , although I think necessary , for Covid 19.
    Also any surveillance is a dangerous path to venture on . Definitely not ready for that .

    Thanks for your considered response.

    I think that groups like ER will see an 'opening' for their own agenda based on the recent measures. I don't see them as trustworthy since they are a classic 'the ends justify the means'-type movement.

    I'm not opposed to environmental actions to reduce pollution but I'd be looking at the nature of the actions before throwing support behind them. Nightmare scenario for me would be very extreme actions, which cause a lot of suffering, taken in great haste.


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