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Gone with the Wind Cancelled

  • 10-06-2020 3:31pm
    #1
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,376 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    So now Gone with the Wind has been canceled.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52990714

    This is another step in the current trend whereby a small but vocal minority seek to impose their views on others and silence dissent.

    If you find the film objectionable, I don't believe that there is any requirement that you need to watch it, so why is there a need to stop others from watching it?

    I am old enough to remember the vice-like grip the Catholic hierarchy held this country in. Certain films and publications were banned if deemed to be not in keeping with the tenants of Catholicism. Today's agitators, who laughingly refer to themselves as 'liberals' are just as dangerous.

    Who has decided that these people are to control the narrative of what is and isn't acceptable? Why are corporations like HBO acceding to their demands?


    This is a concerning time for all those who value civil liberties and free speech and frankly my dear, I do give a damn.


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  • #2
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    So now Gone with the Wind has been canceled.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52990714

    This is another step in the current trend whereby a small but vocal minority seek to impose their views on others and silence dissent.

    If you find the film objectionable, I don't believe that there is any requirement that you need to watch it, so why is there a need to stop others from watching it?

    I am old enough to remember the vice-like grip the Catholic hierarchy held this country in. Certain films and publications were banned if deemed to be not in keeping with the tenants of Catholicism. Today's agitators, who laughingly refer to themselves as 'liberals' are just as dangerous.

    Who has decided that these people are to control the narrative of what is and isn't acceptable? Why are corporations like HBO acceding to their demands?


    This is a concerning time for all those who value civil liberties and free speech and frankly my dear, I do give a damn.

    Alongside Little Britain https://news.sky.com/story/little-britain-removed-from-iplayer-and-netflix-after-blackface-criticism-12003558

    and the tv show Cops:

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/jun/09/cops-tv-show-cancelled-police-protests


  • #3
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Jaysis! I suppose Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn is Right Out(TM)! :pac:


  • #4
    OneMoreBabadee
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭OneMoreBabadee


    "Frankly my dear, I love you let's remarry!"
    ...

    "Didn't this movie used to have a war in it?"


  • #5
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Getting a bit like censorship now, " In to the West" next?


  • #6
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    It said the film would return to the platform at an unspecified date with a "discussion of its historical context"

    Do you morons even read the articles?


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  • #7
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Interesting to see where this ends.

    Many of the classic programs on TV were of their time and also films. The bad guys were usually non white.

    Then you have programs like Friends with almost exclusively white cast in one of the most metropolitan cities in the world.

    What else has to go?


  • #8
    tonycascarino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    More pandering to the fruitloops of society


  • #9
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    “Canceled” ie. They will put a disclaimer ahead of the film that it was a product of its time.

    Not shocking nor that contentious. Warner Bros already did the same for a lot of its properties.

    The silliness starts coming in when Disney gets criticized for Splash Mountain and it’s reflection of Song of the South, which was a live action/animation film featuring a supposed sharecropper who longed for the nostalgic good old days of being enslaved. Not surprisingly, the character, Remus, doesn’t appear on the ride but several quotes do (neither does the tar baby - which merits no further explanation). As a result the vast majority of people who visit the park are fairly oblivious to this. Yes, splash mountain is probably reaching the end of its cultural lifespan but the kicker is one of the suggestions to re-theme it after Pocahontas, which is just another racist though less-so production.


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I want Julia Roberts publicly flogged for Michael Collins.


  • #11
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    John Wayne is next,


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  • #12
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    I want Julia Roberts publicly flogged for Michael Collins.

    I think she'll have to wait in line behind Tommy Lee Jones, Nicole Kidman, Michael Madsen and Tom Cruise,


  • #13
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    Alongside Little Britain https://news.sky.com/story/little-britain-removed-from-iplayer-and-netflix-after-blackface-criticism-12003558

    and the tv show Cops:

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/jun/09/cops-tv-show-cancelled-police-protests

    Cops I understand because despite the disclaimers, the theme of the show and it’s presentation work to glorify officers and all but presume guilt on those filmed.

    Live PD has similar problems to a lesser degree, but it has also been pulled in conjunction with it turning out that Live PD filmed an in custody death of Javier Ambler II’s death in 2019 but somehow “destroyed” the tape of this. I doubt they will go back on the air, even though I enjoyed the shows format. To catch a predator, for example, was canceled when it filmed and was party to an incident where one perp committed suicide in the process of their sting.


  • #14
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Do you morons even read the articles?

    We morons very much do read the articles, and find ourselves wondering why it's necessary to include an explanation of why a film made in 1939 and set in the Deep South during the American civil war should include a large-girthed, middle-aged Negro woman as a head housekeeper in a plantation great house. Could it be yet more pandering to woke idiots who've found another reason to shit their pants and scream?


  • #15
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Overheal wrote: »
    “Canceled” ie. They will put a disclaimer ahead of the film that it was a product of its time.

    How did we ever get by without disclaimers stating the bleeding obvious?


  • #16
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Already discussed here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058085455


  • #17
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    The permanently outraged will always find something to be outraged about.


  • #18
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Disclaimer: this painting contains stereotypical gender roles that were normal in the period depicted.

    256px-Leighton-God_Speed%21.jpg
    Leighton-God Speed!


  • #19
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭circadian


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    The permanently outraged will always find something to be outraged about.

    I think in this case the vast majority of people are the perpetually outraged.


  • #20
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭circadian


    jimgoose wrote: »
    We morons very much do read the articles, and find ourselves wondering why it's necessary to include an explanation of why a film made in 1939 and set in the Deep South during the American civil war should include a large-girthed, middle-aged Negro woman as a head housekeeper in a plantation great house. Could it be yet more pandering to woke idiots who've found another reason to shit their pants and scream?

    Ignorance is the reason why. It seems like there's an increasing amount of young people who have no clue about the past and basically a failure of education to be able to explain recent history.

    We had a student working with us last year, 20 years old. He didn't know what a CD was. This is the kind of person it needs to be explained to.


  • #21
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    circadian wrote: »
    Ignorance is the reason why. It seems like there's an increasing amount of young people who have no clue about the past and basically a failure of education to be able to explain recent history.

    We had a student working with us last year, 20 years old. He didn't know what a CD was. This is the kind of person it needs to be explained to.

    Well for one manufacturing lecture I took last summer we were told to use a cd jewel case from around our home to complete a design project...

    I haven’t seen a jewel case in my home in at least 10 years.


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  • #22
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    I want Julia Roberts publicly flogged for Michael Collins.

    And also those accents in Far And Away.

    Then there's The Quiet Man and the threat of a stick to bate the wife.


  • #23
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭circadian


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well for one manufacturing lecture I took last summer we were told to use a cd jewel case from around our home to complete a design project...

    I haven’t seen a jewel case in my home in at least 10 years.

    He was training to be a sysadmin. Still in a world of, if for some reason it's a hardware server, you can't boot from USB then a live cd is the tried and tested method. I know a lot of the younger folks I work with are good at different technical things regarding networking/development/devops or whatever but absolutely useless at home computers. I guess it's a resukt of growing up with tablets and phones instead of a desktop/laptop.

    **** I feel like a grumpy old bastard now.


  • #24
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    circadian wrote: »
    He was training to be a sysadmin. Still in a world of, if for some reason it's a hardware server, you can't boot from USB then a live cd is the tried and tested method. I know a lot of the younger folks I work with are good at different technical things regarding networking/development/devops or whatever but absolutely useless at home computers. I guess it's a resukt of growing up with tablets and phones instead of a desktop/laptop.

    **** I feel like a grumpy old bastard now.

    Oh no if you’re a sysadmin I expect you to be fluent in tape backups, floppies, laser and compact discs. And more.


  • #25
    kildare lad
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    They'll be cancelling fr Ted next for doing his impression of a Chinaman


  • #26
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭circadian


    Overheal wrote: »
    Oh no if you’re a sysadmin I expect you to be fluent in tape backups, floppies, laser and compact discs. And more.

    Ah yes, the fortnightly iron mountain collection. Something I do not miss.


  • #27
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,972 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Interesting to see where this ends.

    Yes. Maybe in the future they'll send nice men around with a flamethrower to burn up any illicit physical copies of the pre-"woke"/"diversity" period US/UK art you might have lying around your house polluting impressionable minds or "triggering" the sensitive. I might have cribbed that from the plot of some book I vaguely remember reading once when I was young.


  • #28
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    kildare lad wrote: »
    They'll be cancelling fr Ted next for doing his impression of a Chinaman

    Dude you're not allowed to say Chinaman when referring to Orientals.


  • #29
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Interesting to see where this ends.

    Many of the classic programs on TV were of their time and also films. The bad guys were usually non white.

    Then you have programs like Friends with almost exclusively white cast in one of the most metropolitan cities in the world.

    What else has to go?


    If there are no black people in my friend group are they not allowed to be my friends?


  • #30
    TallGlass2
    Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭TallGlass2


    kildare lad wrote: »
    They'll be cancelling fr Ted next for doing his impression of a Chinaman

    Is it not the gays he was after in that episode?


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  • #31
    d15ude
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭d15ude


    jimgoose wrote: »
    We morons very much do read the articles, and find ourselves wondering why it's necessary to include an explanation of why a film made in 1939 and set in the Deep South during the American civil war should include a large-girthed, middle-aged Negro woman as a head housekeeper in a plantation great house. Could it be yet more pandering to woke idiots who've found another reason to shit their pants and scream?

    "Set during and after the American Civil War, Gone with the Wind has long been attacked for its depiction of slavery.

    Based on the novel by Margaret Mitchell, it features slave characters who seem contented with their lot and who remain loyal to their former owners after slavery's abolition."

    Understand?


  • #32
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Basil Fawlty and the Germans. That's another one. Too much stereotyping.


  • #33
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    d15ude wrote: »
    "Set during and after the American Civil War, Gone with the Wind has long been attacked for its depiction of slavery.

    Based on the novel by Margaret Mitchell, it features slave characters who seem contented with their lot and who remain loyal to their former owners after slavery's abolition."

    Understand?

    Its likely many former slaves remained in the paid employment of their former "owners".


  • #34
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nermal wrote: »
    How did we ever get by without disclaimers stating the bleeding obvious?
    When people didn't sue at the drop of a hat.


  • #35
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    d15ude wrote: »
    "Set during and after the American Civil War, Gone with the Wind has long been attacked for its depiction of slavery.

    Based on the novel by Margaret Mitchell, it features slave characters who seem contented with their lot and who remain loyal to their former owners after slavery's abolition."

    Understand?

    Referring mainly to "Mammy", the woman in question. Although rare, the occasional such caricature did actually crop up. And don't take that "understand" tone with me, it is inappropriate and unnecessary.


  • #36
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    When I was clueless in my 20s ( and 30s probably ), there would come a point when it would occur to me that I was quite clueless.

    That point seems to be completely out of reach for these protestors.


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  • #37
    realdanbreen
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    The next 'logical' step is to tear up the bible as Jesus and his apostles appeared to have no problem with slavery in those days.


  • #38
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭circadian


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    The next 'logical' step is to tear up the bible as Jesus and his apostles appeared to have no problem with slavery in those days.

    It's a work of fiction.


  • #39
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Slavery was an economic system that was widely practised - and still is actually, in Libya. I think some among the Travelling community in England were at it, up until recently.

    I believe some version of it is common, also, in the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

    My guess is that the majority of slaves were well treated and found the arrangement agreeable in terms of being fed and housed.

    I sometimes wonder if sitting on the M50 on the way to an open-plan office, with a w***r boss and a 35-year mortgage, is also some kind of slavery. With a few bells and whistles added on.


  • #40
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭circadian


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Slavery was an economic system that was widely practised - and still is actually, in Libya. I think some among the Travelling community in England were at it, up until recently.

    I believe some version of it is common, also, in the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

    My guess is that the majority of slaves were well treated and found the arrangement agreeable in terms of being fed and housed.

    I sometimes wonder if sitting on the M50 on the way to an open-plan office, with a w***r boss and a 35-year mortgage, is also some kind of slavery. With a few bells and whistles added on.

    You have a choice to work and where to work, largely. A choice of where to live, to live alone or with friend, family or significant other. You have opportunities to improve and better yourself.

    Christ, I can't believe I'm responding to such drivel.


  • #41
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    jimgoose wrote: »
    We morons very much do read the articles, and find ourselves wondering why it's necessary to include an explanation of why a film made in 1939 and set in the Deep South during the American civil war should include a large-girthed, middle-aged Negro woman as a head housekeeper in a plantation great house. Could it be yet more pandering to woke idiots who've found another reason to shit their pants and scream?

    But the OP and the other mouth-breathers aren't wondering why it's necessary for an explanation to be included. They're shyting on about the movie being banned. Which isn't happening.


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  • #42
    CtevenSrowder
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Cops I understand because despite the disclaimers, the theme of the show and it’s presentation work to glorify officers and all but presume guilt on those filmed.

    Live PD has similar problems to a lesser degree, but it has also been pulled in conjunction with it turning out that Live PD filmed an in custody death of Javier Ambler II’s death in 2019 but somehow “destroyed” the tape of this. I doubt they will go back on the air, even though I enjoyed the shows format. To catch a predator, for example, was canceled when it filmed and was party to an incident where one perp committed suicide in the process of their sting.

    It still sits uneasy with me. Glorifying cops is no more wrong then a show that does the opposite. Neither should be cancelled because some consider it to do one or he other.

    Ah to catch a predator. Twas a great albeit strange show.


  • #43
    mick087
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    I once dated a girl whos favorite was gone with the winds.
    I have sat through this film twice, I Personally did not like the film. Apparently its a very romantic film like the Titanic was in the 90s.
    What i have read its not banned its just been moved from a provider. We will be seeing this trend happening with many to most pre 2000s films comedies etc.



    If when farther Ted gets removed from a provider how many of us will care of be outraged?


  • #44
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    jimgoose wrote: »
    And don't take that "understand" tone with me, it is inappropriate and unnecessary.

    puts on inginant voice "What happened to freedom of speech? Huh? HUH?"

    Oh, that's right - you're not actually censoring someone by complaining about what someone says and calling it inappropriate. It's an acceptable reaction that the other party can take or leave.

    Just like Gone With The Wind isn't actually being censored by having a notice attached to it stating that some of the content isn't appropriate by today's standards, that people can decide themselves whether to pay heed to or not.


  • #45
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    puts on inginant voice "What happened to freedom of speech? Huh? HUH?"

    Oh, that's right - you're not actually censoring someone by complaining about what someone says and calling it inappropriate. It's an acceptable reaction that the other party can take or leave.

    Just like Gone With The Wind isn't actually being censored by having a notice attached to it stating that some of the content isn't appropriate by today's standards, that people can decide themselves whether to pay heed to or not.

    Most of us with cognitive processing capability somewhere North of fruit have figured out that slavery isn't appropriate by today's standards, 80-year-old movies notwithstanding. :D


  • #46
    Lyan
    Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Lyan


    Phew, the only permanent change will be disclaimers! I needed the government and corporations to further influence how I think and perceive things!


  • #47
    Mrsmum
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    I remember one of those 'Who do you think you are' programmes and unfortunately I can't actually recall the subject person now but anyway the story was fascinating. The lady traced her ancestors back to being slaves on a cotton farm, have a feeling it was in Barbados or somewhere like that. But the slave owner was a bit unusual in that he fell in a big way for her great grandmother and didn't just bed her as was common but set her up in his home as his wife (not sure if he actually married her.) But when he died,(he was much older than her,) she became the boss of the plantation and carried on having slaves working for her. It was a bit confusing for the subject of the programme because her ancestors were both slaves and slave owners and in the case of one of them both slave and slave owner and she didn't know what way to feel about them.


  • #48
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    jimgoose wrote: »
    Most of us with cognitive processing capability somewhere North of fruit have figured out that slavery isn't appropriate by today's standards, 80-year-old movies notwithstanding. :D

    Well, there's a poster right on this thread that says that slavery is just an economic system, and that most slaves were or are happy. They also have the lack of self-awareness to thank your post :pac:

    Fact is, there's a lot of people in the US that are the decedents of slaves, and a whole section of society is still affected by the remnants of the racism that allowed slavery to flourish. Doing something small to merely recognise that the depiction of slavery in the film isn’t historically accurate costs nothing, hurts no one.


  • #49
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Overheal wrote: »
    Cops I understand because despite the disclaimers, the theme of the show and it’s presentation work to glorify officers

    Cancel '24 Hours in A&E', it glorifies doctors.

    Cancel 'SAS: Who Dares Wins', if glorifies soldiers.

    Cancel 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire', it glorifies both wealth and a Western, white and male-centric knowledge corpus.

    Cancel 'Antiques Roadshow' and and return the many indigenous trinkets displayed on it to their original creators.


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
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    Cancel everything. You’ll always offend some crank.


  • #51
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    It's not cancelled. They temporarily pulled it so they can respond to the claims against it. MGM said it's of it's time. The attitudes in it were not right then and they're not right now. They are going to let the discussion take place and likely release it with a notice or some ****e.
    'Cancelled culture' is a term folk use when they don't want to address any one issue IMO. People and issues are complex.


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