FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

dundalkfc10 · 09-06-2020 03:19PM

efanton wrote: »

But that is the argument others are making. They assert SF had control of DCC.

Expect a reply along the lines of but but the IRA

markodaly · 09-06-2020 04:10PM

efanton wrote: »

But that is the argument others are making. They assert SF had control of DCC.

Then argue that point with them. That is not my argument so don't attribute it to me.

Bishop of hope · 09-06-2020 04:41PM

McMurphy wrote: »

The context of Adams tweet was clearly understood by anyone not wanting to feign outrage imo.

Charlie Flanagan just cannot help himself. He's a bumbling idiot and they need to keep him on a tighter leash.

I know, it's, alright to be racist as long as its, in context.
I wish you and fb would spare me and the feign outrage bull**** too.
Then Francie leps on some point that someone is getting fearful and getting ready for an election.
The fear is always in some minds, forever churning out drivel that's meant to just change the subject straight away.
Gerry Adams tweet was racist, his, thoughts when he made it were racist, must have been, why else would he consider using the n word.

RandomViewer · 09-06-2020 05:00PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Tbh,I wouldn't be wheeling out Charlie Flanagan to support that theory
He's just militant anti SF
Probably made more virulent because he has access to Garda files

His father was a bigot some obviously washed off on the son, stupid does what stupid sees

McMurphy · 09-06-2020 05:25PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I know, it's, alright to be racist as long as its, in context.
I wish you and fb would spare me and the feign outrage bull**** too.
Then Francie leps on some point that someone is getting fearful and getting ready for an election.
The fear is always in some minds, forever churning out drivel that's meant to just change the subject straight away.
Gerry Adams tweet was racist, his, thoughts when he made it were racist, must have been, why else would he consider using the n word.

In your opinion. But like I said to blanch, opinions are like rectums.

Bishop of hope · 09-06-2020 05:44PM

McMurphy wrote: »

In your opinion. But like I said to blanch, opinions are like rectums.

Crap response, you can dismiss all comments with that.
Of course Gerry couldn't be seen to be a bolix could he.
I wonder what you'd say if it was Charlie or Leo or Simon.

McMurphy · 09-06-2020 05:53PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Crap response, you can dismiss all comments with that.
Of course Gerry couldn't be seen to be a bolix could he.
I wonder what you'd say if it was Charlie or Leo or Simon.

As already said - context is everything. If you don't understand why a west Belfast man would describe themselves as a ballymurphy n word immediately after watching Django unchained I'm certainly not going to take you in as a student and spell it out for you.
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Bishop of hope · 09-06-2020 05:58PM

McMurphy wrote: »

As already said - context is everything. If you don't understand why a west Belfast man would describe themselves as a ballymurphy n word immediately after watching Django unchained I'm certainly not going to take you in as a student and spell it out for you.
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Nor I you, it was a racist comment in any context, nobody's perfect.

McMurphy · 09-06-2020 06:07PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Nor I you, it was a racist comment in any context, nobody's perfect.

In your opinion, which you're entitled to.

However, using an inappropriate word to describe oneself does not make one a racist In my opinion (we're all allowed to have one)

I tend to judge racism/sectarianism etc on actions, perhaps your bar is set lower than mine, or perhaps (and I suspect this to be the case) you're in fact feigning outrage, I'll let you at it, if you go outside you might find some clouds to wave your fist at and give out to.

dundalkfc10 · 09-06-2020 06:34PM

https://twitter.com/jimdundrum/status/1270148218723209216?s=19

This is Fine Gael

RandomViewer · 09-06-2020 06:36PM

Another FG councillor going "Independant" Jim O Leary channelling his fascist tendencies?

RandomViewer · 09-06-2020 06:38PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jimdundrum/status/1270148218723209216?s=19

This is Fine Gael

They'll be along to defend it

RandomViewer · 09-06-2020 06:53PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Nor I you, it was a racist comment in any context, nobody's perfect.

Do we need to ban the showing of "The Commitments" from now on?

McMurphy · 09-06-2020 06:55PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jimdundrum/status/1270148218723209216?s=19

This is Fine Gael

A few days beforehand he was retweeting this.

https://twitter.com/GeneralMichael4/status/1269942953641947137?s=09

Wasn't big Michael Collins an IRA member, considered to be a terrorist at a time

James Brown · 09-06-2020 07:08PM

markodaly wrote: »

I literally posted a link that showed you that SF was part of a pact that ran the council from 2014-19. Can you not read?

Oh christ, we are through the rabbit hole ladies and gentlemen. I now need to prove a negative.

Show me that you do not have farries in your garden.

Well done, I think you deserve this.

You stated FG had zero, nada input on those Donnybrook apartments. You are wrong. Own it. Instead you've inferred I'm homophobic. What a nasty homophobic small minded comment. You use Varadkar's sexuality in a let's be fair, minor online disagreement. You need some manners and common decency added to your posting 'style' IMO.

markodaly wrote: »

Along with other parties.

I never said SF had sole majority control over DCC.

You said...

the last crowd to control the council were SF and the PBP crowd

You also said FG had no say. You're being a chancer here.

Even if every member of FG were double jobing over in Europe at the time...it's Fine Gael policy to allocate a section to Social Housing. That's what happened here. To state FG played no part is incorrect. And rather than put your hands up you get bitter, petty and use Varadkar's sexuality.

James Brown · 09-06-2020 07:13PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

FG have been on the opposition benches of DCC since 2014
To suggest otherwise like you are doing is FALSE
SF were in an agreed pact to control DCC for 5 years from 2014 to 2019 when they lost half their seats
True
Sinn Féin lost half their seats on DCC in may 2019,the verdict on their reign in power there on that occasion
Fact

I'm stating SF and PBP did not run the council. I'm disagreeing that FG, with a lot of seats on the council and the housing, planing and local authority minister and the policy of making sure a portion of the Donnybrook development was Social.... had no say in a portion of the Donny brook development being social.
You are off on your own jolly boys beano Mortelo. I'm not interested.

Bishop of hope · 09-06-2020 07:27PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Do we need to ban the showing of "The Commitments" from now on?

Not the point at all.
You meet Nelson Mandela for instance, do you say, I identify with you N****r?
What do you think he would say to you, I imagine he'd tell you fcuk right off.
I wonder did Gerry say hi my N***a when he met him?
Films, songs, people are racist, that's life.
It's not just FG, FF etc, it's SF too, shock horror, imagine that, they're as flawed as the rest of them.

Mortelaro · 09-06-2020 07:28PM

Bowie wrote: »

I'm stating SF and PBP did not run the council. I'm disagreeing that FG had no say.
You are off on your own jolly boys beano Mortelo. I'm not interested.

Well you could also disagree that the Queen of sheba has no say
The rest of your post makes no sense, although the beano was a good comic

James Brown · 09-06-2020 07:31PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Well you could also disagree that the Queen of sheba has no say
The rest of your post makes no sense, although the beano was a good comic

You are maybe unwittingly turning Marko's error into a DCC power pact debate or some ****e.

SF and PBP did not run DCC. FG did have a say.
FG played a role in social being in with the Donnybrook complex.

James Brown · 09-06-2020 07:35PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Not the point at all.
You meet Nelson Mandela for instance, do you say, I identify with you N****r?
What do you think he would say to you, I imagine he'd tell you fcuk right off.
I wonder did Gerry say hi my N***a when he met him?
Films, songs, people are racist, that's life.
It's not just FG, FF etc, it's SF too, shock horror, imagine that, they're as flawed as the rest of them.

Is this about Enda Kenny's N word joke? C'mon lads, a few years ago now and sure he can't help sounding like a half wit.
Adams was out of order on the cultural appropriation stakes. He thought he could compare his struggle to that of African American's. Kenny was telling a racist joke for laughs. Both parties are better off without them IMO...oh wait..maybe not FG

Bishop of hope · 09-06-2020 07:52PM

Bowie wrote: »

Is this about Enda Kenny's N word joke? C'mon lads, a few years ago now and sure he can't help sounding like a half wit.
Adams was out of order on the cultural appropriation stakes. He thought he could compare his struggle to that of African American's. Kenny was telling a racist joke for laughs. Both parties are better off without them IMO...oh wait..maybe not FG

Honest answer, fair play.
Gerry hasn't Gone away you know?

RandomViewer · 09-06-2020 08:25PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Not the point at all.
You meet Nelson Mandela for instance, do you say, I identify with you N****r?
What do you think he would say to you, I imagine he'd tell you fcuk right off.
I wonder did Gerry say hi my N***a when he met him?
Films, songs, people are racist, that's life.
It's not just FG, FF etc, it's SF too, shock horror, imagine that, they're as flawed as the rest of them.

My point stands, the Commitments can now be seen as a racist film, Adams comment was stupid not racist
,is Elvis Costello racist singing Oliver's Army?

blanch152 · 09-06-2020 08:49PM

Bowie wrote: »

Show me SF and PBP ran the council. Show me FG had no say, neither their many councillors nor their Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Authorities, nor the FG government that implements Part V of the Planning and Development Act where it is required to allocate 10% of any new private development to social housing?

May I borrow your popcorn?

This is now truly bizarre, I have never seen such a lack of understanding of how governance in Ireland operates from anyone claiming to be a serious poster.

Firstly, Part V of the Planning and Development Act was legislated for by a Fianna Fail government.

Secondly, the Act provides for local authorities to implement those provisions. The national government has no say in the implementation of those provisions, it is a matter for the local authority and the local authority only. In fact, if someone is unhappy with the decision of the local authority, the rights of appeal it so An Bord Pleanala, and then the High Court. The national government has absolutely nothing to do with the implementation of these provisions.

Thirdly, as the other poster pointed out, Fine Gael have not been one of the parties responsible for running Dublin City Council since 2014, the time period when Sinn Fein was the leading party in the coalition running Dublin City Council.

I must say I am on my third box of beautiful buttered popcorn watching the car-crash of your contributions to this thread. So if you want to blame any party at all for what happened in Donnybrook, the only one you can't blame is Fine Gael.

James Brown · 09-06-2020 09:12PM

blanch152 wrote: »

This is now truly bizarre, I have never seen such a lack of understanding of how governance in Ireland operates from anyone claiming to be a serious poster.

Firstly, Part V of the Planning and Development Act was legislated for by a Fianna Fail government.

Secondly, the Act provides for local authorities to implement those provisions. The national government has no say in the implementation of those provisions, it is a matter for the local authority and the local authority only. In fact, if someone is unhappy with the decision of the local authority, the rights of appeal it so An Bord Pleanala, and then the High Court. The national government has absolutely nothing to do with the implementation of these provisions.

Thirdly, as the other poster pointed out, Fine Gael have not been one of the parties responsible for running Dublin City Council since 2014, the time period when Sinn Fein was the leading party in the coalition running Dublin City Council.

I must say I am on my third box of beautiful buttered popcorn watching the car-crash of your contributions to this thread. So if you want to blame any party at all for what happened in Donnybrook, the only one you can't blame is Fine Gael.

Pop your monocle back in there

Fine gael are the government party. Do they do everything Fianna Fail left for them? The minister for Housing, Planning and Local Authorities has nothing to do with Housing, Planning and Local Authorities? FG have no choice but to impliment and carry out any policy left by Fianna Fail nearly a decade ago? Are you talking the piss?
FG had a say in every council they have a Councillor.
SF and certainly PBP do not run any council.

With all your bull****e above you do little or nothing to address Markos false claims. Can you show FG had no say be it at local or national level on policy relating to the allocation of social housing or indeed, this particular case? Do you think Fine Gael are such wasters to be completely pointless?
When these flats are for ribbon cutting Eoghan will be there with a few bags of groceries for the locals and Leo will cite Fiddler on the Roof or something....

Mortelaro · 09-06-2020 10:11PM

Bowie wrote: »

Pop your monocle back in there
Fine gael are the government party. Do they do everything Fianna Fail left for them? The minister for Housing, Planning and Local Authorities has nothing to do with Housing, Planning and Local Authorities? FG have no choice but to impliment and carry out any policy left by Fianna Fail nearly a decade ago? Are you talking the piss?
FG had a say in every council they have a Councillor.
SF and certainly PBP do not run any council.

With all your bull****e above you do little or nothing to address Markos false claims. Can you show FG had no say be it at local or national level on policy relating to the allocation of social housing or indeed, this particular case? Do you think Fine Gael are such wasters to be completely pointless?
When these flats are for ribbon cutting Eoghan will be there with a few bags of groceries for the locals and Leo will cite Fiddler on the Roof or something....

You seriously need to get a new blog rather than here with this and other level 11 codswallop
I'll probably scroll past these types of posts from here on in

markodaly · 10-06-2020 12:48AM

Bowie wrote: »

You stated FG had zero, nada input on those Donnybrook apartments. You are wrong.

You keep saying this, but never offer a reason as to why? Repeating a lie, doesn't make the lie anymore true.

Own it. Instead you've inferred I'm homophobic. What a nasty homophobic small minded comment. You use Varadkar's sexuality in a let's be fair, minor online disagreement. You need some manners and common decency added to your posting 'style' IMO.

This is funny, I am not the person who posted under his gay partner's name for a few years, thinking it was just good craic. As I said, you didnt do it for Enda, or MM, or MLMD... but for some reason, you did it for Leo. Coincidence?

You also said FG had no say. You're being a chancer here.

FG hasn't been in a pact to control DCC since 2011 afaik. So again tell us how FG influenced this decision.

...it's Fine Gael policy to allocate a section to Social Housing. That's what happened here.

What are you blathering on about. I have no idea, please flesh out your points a little bit more. At least you no longer think that Donnybrook is in SDCC

To state FG played no part is incorrect.

Are FG part of the pact that runs DCC. Yes or no?

markodaly · 10-06-2020 12:58AM

Bowie wrote: »

Pop your monocle back in there
Fine gael are the government party.

It is an astonishing level of ignorance you are showing by not knowing the difference between local government and central government.

Most people would hold up their hands and actually educate themselves on the topic at hand, but you just double and triple down on the same fake news and lies you peddle.

FG had a say in every council they have a Councillor.

Classic. SF have had a TD elected in every Dail since 1997, therefore SF are responsible for social housing rules and provisions, as 'they had a say'. :pac:

SF and certainly PBP do not run any council.

Do you deny that SF was in a pact to run DCC from 2014-2019? I asked this before and you ignored it. The silence is deafening.

blanch152 · 10-06-2020 01:44AM

markodaly wrote: »

It is an astonishing level of ignorance you are showing by not knowing the difference between local government and central government.

Most people would hold up their hands and actually educate themselves on the topic at hand, but you just double and triple down on the same fake news and lies you peddle.

Classic. SF have had a TD elected in every Dail since 1997, therefore SF are responsible for social housing rules and provisions, as 'they had a say'. :pac:

Do you deny that SF was in a pact to run DCC from 2014-2019? I asked this before and you ignored it. The silence is deafening.

Astonishing is quite an understatement, what is truly amazing and unprecedented is the way he keeps doubling down on his lack of knowledge.

The most GUBU set of posts in a long, long time.

James Brown · 10-06-2020 03:02AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

You seriously need to get a new blog rather than here with this and other level 11 codswallop
I'll probably scroll past these types of posts from here on in

Marko was wrong and waffling. Get over it.
The idea that FG councillors had no say was bad. The idea that PBP and SF ran DCC was bad. The idea that the FG government bears no responsibility for government policy on housing was bad and not to mention the hands off when it suits Eoghan Murphy the scarlet pimpernel of Housing, Planning and local authorities

I'll leave it there. Embarrassing yourselves.

James Brown · 10-06-2020 03:06AM

markodaly wrote: »

It is an astonishing level of ignorance you are showing by not knowing the difference between local government and central government.

Most people would hold up their hands and actually educate themselves on the topic at hand, but you just double and triple down on the same fake news and lies you peddle.

Classic. SF have had a TD elected in every Dail since 1997, therefore SF are responsible for social housing rules and provisions, as 'they had a say'. :pac:

Do you deny that SF was in a pact to run DCC from 2014-2019? I asked this before and you ignored it. The silence is deafening.

You can try change the topic to save your blushes, I'm not interested.

You used Varadkar's sexuality to try score a point in a disagreement on social housing allocation. You should be ashamed of yourself.

FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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