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Used Model S vs new Model 3

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  • #102
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    ELM327 wrote: »
    The 2019 Raven S that I had as a loaner was night and day compared to my 16 MS90D. Even though they looked the same from the outside.


    All the materials feel different. The car drives differently, due to the FWD bias as opposed to RWD bias in D motor non raven models. You've got more power but the car felt slower than mine when flooring it.

    Are the Raven not permanent magnet motors too so completely different in that respect


  • #103
    jordan191
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭jordan191


    I checked the VRT on a 2019 Model 3 SR+ last week with 8k miles, because of the the 5k rebate, the VRT was only €1080 i think, more of these will be imported when they drop in value a bit, but you can buy them for £35-£38k sterling at the moment, cracking value & probably 3.5 years of warranty left


  • #104
    Nedved85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭Nedved85


    jordan191 wrote: »
    I checked the VRT on a 2019 Model 3 SR+ last week with 8k miles, because of the the 5k rebate, the VRT was only €1080 i think, more of these will be imported when they drop in value a bit, but you can buy them for £35-£38k sterling at the moment, cracking value & probably 3.5 years of warranty left

    How did you check the VRT...?


  • #105
    jordan191
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭jordan191


    the Model 3 SR is currently on the revenue VRT calculator page

    Just got the details form an advert on autotrader.co.uk for the exact details of the car


  • #106
    jordan191
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭jordan191


    VRT Calculator
    Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) calculation for vehicle.
    Edit Details
    Your VRT Calculation
    Date09/06/2020
    Time16:02
    Rate of VRT
    14%
    Vehicle Registration Tax
    (payable on enquiry)
    €1,040
    Vehicle Details
    Statistical Code
    40289185
    Model
    MODEL 3
    Make
    TESLA
    Version
    STANDARD RANGE + 239KW 4DR AUT
    Breakdown of VRT Calculation
    Open Market Selling Price (OMSP) determined by Revenue
    €56860
    Monthly Adjustment
    N/A
    Depreciation Code Allocated by Revenue
    E1
    Odometer Reading
    8000 Miles
    Date of First Registration
    November 2019
    Mileage/Kilometre Reduction
    €70
    Rate of Depreciation for this Vehicle
    24%
    Current OMSP determined by Revenue
    €43143
    Revenue CO2 Estimate
    CO2 Emissions
    0
    Rate of VRT
    14%
    CO2 VRT Charges
    (payable on enquiry)
    €1,040
    Revenue NOx Estimate
    NOx Emissions
    0.251
    NOx Units
    g/km or g/kWh
    NOx VRT Charge
    (payable on enquiry)
    €0
    Registration Tax Total
    CO2 VRT Charges
    €1,040
    NOx VRT Charge
    €0

    Vehicle Registration Tax
    (payable on enquiry)
    €1,040


  • #107
    Nedved85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭Nedved85


    Just filled it out - Indeed VRT of €1,049 for a 2019 SR+ with 6000 kms


  • #108
    Nedved85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭Nedved85


    €1k is pretty good.

    SR+ for £37k = €41700 (Revolut)

    Travel - €300 ish

    VRT - €1k

    ==============

    Total - €43k

    By comparison - This Model S 75 CPO 4 years warranty @ £37.5k would have VRT of about €3000?

    https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E13GF163606?token=$2y$10$.3DN60ZeBDBn3jMwp/xVkeTPhTO4KJj5gkCh8NlGz6oi.2RxED6k2&redirect=no


  • #109
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That gives you Autopilot but not the full self driving ?

    What's their standard autopilot like on the m3 ?


  • #110
    Nedved85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭Nedved85


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That gives you Autopilot but not the full self driving ?

    What's their standard autopilot like on the m3 ?

    Autopilot is good by all accounts on Motorways and main roads.

    Full Self Driving is not really there yet..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldSrrKBq3R8


  • #111
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Nedved85 wrote: »
    €1k is pretty good.
    SR+ for £37k = €41700 (Revolut)
    Travel - €300 ish
    VRT - €1k

    You're not making this easy...


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  • #112
    unkel
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    jordan191 wrote: »
    more of these will be imported when they drop in value a bit

    Not going to happen. Remember that from Jan 1st you will have to pay import duty and VAT of 23% over the purchase price + transport cost + insurance cost + import duty. And then there will be the VRT to be paid too.

    Realistically if you want to bring one in from the UK, you will have to do so within the next 6 months. Same applies to any Tesla, or any car for that matter. The days of importing cars from the UK are numbered.

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  • #113
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Anyone have a quick breakdown of the real life range on the Teslas?

    From Model 3 SR, and the various versions of the S?

    I'd be wanting a real life range of about 400km even with my lead foot.


  • #114
    unkel
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    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Anyone have a quick breakdown of the real life range on the Teslas?

    From Model 3 SR, and the various versions of the S?

    I'd be wanting a real life range of about 400km even with my lead foot.

    With your heavy foot you won't get a 400km real life motorway range out of any EV, unless you fork out for a brand new long range Tesla Model S. From about €90k.

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  • #115
    ELM327
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    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Anyone have a quick breakdown of the real life range on the Teslas?

    From Model 3 SR, and the various versions of the S?

    I'd be wanting a real life range of about 400km even with my lead foot.


    Model 3 SR+ has a "rated" range of just under 400km. My S "rated" range is ~420km.

    Realistically you will not get 400km from either of them (unless it's all N roads at 80).


    Motorway driving in the summer I'd get 325km from my S down to ~10% SOC. Winter this could be as low as 275km.


    You'd want the long range 3 or S to get near 400km in the real non rated world IMO


  • #116
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


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  • #117
    Gforcemurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Gforcemurphy


    unkel wrote: »
    Not going to happen. Remember that from Jan 1st you will have to pay import duty and VAT of 23% over the purchase price + transport cost + insurance cost + import duty. And then there will be the VRT to be paid too.

    Realistically if you want to bring one in from the UK, you will have to do so within the next 6 months. Same applies to any Tesla, or any car for that matter. The days of importing cars from the UK are numbered.

    Just on that, and remembering that you said you had a stressful month or so between pressing ‘buy’ and going over to collect, to be on the safe side you’d need to find something by sometime in November, most likely? Not site how all these import charges etc will be assessed - presumably time of import rather than time of purchase? Or does the purchase date with Tesla UK more or less mirror the import date anyway, if going to collect?


  • #118
    DrPhilG
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    Alright 350km then, lol.

    Edit I mean in normal weather and mixed urban/rural.

    Obviously pelting rain or horsing down the motorway all bets are off and 300km would be doing well.


  • #119
    unkel
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    Gforcemurphy wrote: »
    Just on that, and remembering that you said you had a stressful month or so between pressing ‘buy’ and going over to collect, to be on the safe side you’d need to find something by sometime in November, most likely? Not site how all these import charges etc will be assessed - presumably time of import rather than time of purchase? Or does the purchase date with Tesla UK more or less mirror the import date anyway, if going to collect?

    I don't really know, but I would presume the import date is the actual date you physically brought the car into the country.
    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Alright 350km then, lol.

    Edit I mean in normal weather and mixed urban/rural.

    Obviously pelting rain or horsing down the motorway all bets are off and 300km would be doing well.

    In a Tesla, you'd need a Model S 85 or 90 minimum or a Model 3 long range (75). I don't think you're considering a Model X, so left them out.

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  • #120
    DrPhilG
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    unkel wrote: »
    In a Tesla, you'd need a Model S 85 or 90 minimum or a Model 3 long range (75). I don't think you're considering a Model X, so left them out.

    No an X isn't an option. Even I'd find that too big to drive.

    I'd been thinking I'd need an 85 in the Model S alright.


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  • #121
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Gforcemurphy wrote: »
    Just on that, and remembering that you said you had a stressful month or so between pressing ‘buy’ and going over to collect, to be on the safe side you’d need to find something by sometime in November, most likely? Not site how all these import charges etc will be assessed - presumably time of import rather than time of purchase? Or does the purchase date with Tesla UK more or less mirror the import date anyway, if going to collect?

    The only reason Unkel’s month was stressful was because he was biting his nails if Tesla would cop on to their pricing mistake :)

    Otherwise it would be an exciting month waiting to collect your Tesla in my
    Opinion.


  • #122
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Exciting, no... Impatient, absolutely.


  • #123
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,384 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    If the end of 2020 is drawing close, it'd be a pretty stressful month. Several thousand euro in the difference between collecting/importing in 2020 vs 2021.


  • #124
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I wouldnt be pressing buy on a UK car in Q4 '20 as it stands I can tell you that.


  • #125
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,384 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I wouldnt be pressing buy on a UK car in Q4 '20 as it stands I can tell you that.

    Sure you'd only be selling it in Q1 '21 anyways.


  • #126
    Gforcemurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Gforcemurphy


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I wouldnt be pressing buy on a UK car in Q4 '20 as it stands I can tell you that.

    Is that being ultra cautious or do you think it could genuinely take a good bit longer than a month in some cases? I ask as, on the flip-side, I would also hope to hold out to see if prices drop a bit towards the end of the year.


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  • #127
    Gforcemurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Gforcemurphy


    Sorry, probably shouldn’t hijack thread.


  • #128
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Who does good finance these days ?


  • #129
    unkel
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    DrPhilG wrote: »
    No an X isn't an option. Even I'd find that too big to drive.

    I wasn't sure so I looked it up. The Model X is only a little bit longer, but it is over 10cm wider. And that's a lot coming from an already very wide Model S.

    Model S - 196cm
    Model X - 207cm
    Cybertruck - 208cm
    Hummer - 220cm

    For reference, a BMW 7-series and a Mercedes S-class are substantially narrower than a Model S, both at 190cm and an Audi A8 or Lexus LS460 are far narrower than that again

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  • #130
    markpb
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    DrPhilG wrote: »
    No an X isn't an option. Even I'd find that too big to drive.
    unkel wrote: »
    I wasn't sure so I looked it up. The Model X is only a little bit longer, but it is over 10cm wider. And that's a lot coming from an already very wide Model S.

    Can confirm, the X is a boat. I'm trying to break it to my wife gently that shopping centres with multi-story car parks are not going to be a feature of our lives for a while. I genuinely thought I was going to beach it in Fleet St car park last time.


  • #131
    unkel
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    The good thing is that if your missus is used to the Model X, you can confidently get a Cybertruck next :p

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  • #132
    Gforcemurphy
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    markpb wrote: »
    Can confirm, the X is a boat. I'm trying to break it to my wife gently that shopping centres with multi-story car parks are not going to be a feature of our lives for a while. I genuinely thought I was going to beach it in Fleet St car park last time.

    Trying to figure out how much of that is in jest. Are you really going to have to swerve multi-story car parks? Size is one thing, but what about the doors?


  • #133
    unkel
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    Some multi-stories in Dublin in the Model S will be problematic. And I'm used to big cars. I don't think I would even try the tighter ones in a Model X.

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  • #134
    DrPhilG
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    I'd tackle a multi storey in an S. Actually my first ever drive in a Model S was in one, that's where I collected it. Nerve wracking I must admit.

    But my wife would never dare.


  • #135
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    Gforcemurphy wrote: »
    Trying to figure out how much of that is in jest. Are you really going to have to swerve multi-story car parks? Size is one thing, but what about the doors?

    Only partly joking :) I've never had a problem fitting in a space or getting the doors opened (although some spaces can be totally consumed by the width of the X) but I find some ramps and bends can be tricky to navigate. For me, that's a factor of both the width and ride height of the car. I've never driven a CUV/SUV before so I'm more comfortable with saloons and their height. Judging where the horrible concrete plinths are waiting to savage your wheels as you go up a ramp and round a corner at the same time can be tricky. It'll come with experience.

    Despite the plethora of sensors around the vehicle, they're basically useless in narrow conditions. Reverse into a parking space at a 45 degree angle and you'd swear you were about to drive into a wall at full speed. On the other hand, drive between two narrow concrete plinths and not a dicky bird out of it.


  • #136
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Sure you'd only be selling it in Q1 '21 anyways.
    :D
    Gforcemurphy wrote: »
    Is that being ultra cautious or do you think it could genuinely take a good bit longer than a month in some cases? I ask as, on the flip-side, I would also hope to hold out to see if prices drop a bit towards the end of the year.
    No it's being genuine.
    My order took over a month and that was with me emailing and phoning lots to push it
    DrPhilG wrote: »
    I'd tackle a multi storey in an S. Actually my first ever drive in a Model S was in one, that's where I collected it. Nerve wracking I must admit.

    But my wife would never dare.
    It's a task, the steering lock is crap and the car is wide. Even my local one (navan shopping centre) is a mini struggle. I'll never forget taking the loaner S I had to the point theater carpark though. That was a struggle. Can only imagine it in an x. And I've driven fullsize american pickups.


  • #137
    unkel
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    Took my S through a tight McDonalds drive thru last week. I was pretty confident I was fine, but I know I didn't have more than about a few cm on either side in a tight bend. And the car was going bananas with the PDC beeping. I don't want to be sexist, but I'd say the missus would not have enjoyed that experience. I'd say the S can do all the Dublin multi-stories. But some of them will be very tight like that in some of the bends at the end of on / off ramps. Also perpendicular park in the likes of shopping centres and you will have to be careful opening the doors. But I guess that's the norm even in modest size cars now. The parking spaces are made for the tiny cars we had in the 60s / 70s

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  • #138
    slave1
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    unkel wrote: »
    ... The parking spaces are made for the tiny cars we had in the 60s / 70s to maximise revenue stream

    FYP, sure same in the States


  • #139
    unkel
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    No not sure same in the States. Parking spaces there are much bigger!

    But I guess they could be based on the cars they had in the 60s / 70s too :p

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  • #140
    ELM327
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    slave1 wrote: »
    FYP, sure same in the States
    No, there's a good difference in the states, the sizes of both standard road width and standard carpark space width are wider.
    You can easily fit a ford F350 pickup into a multi storey in the US.
    You can barely fit them between some road lines here.


  • #141
    Teslafan
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    Hi All,

    Recently I put up a thread on the original S forum (now locked) to say I had a Model S for sale. 182 75D Premium 20KM. Private seller.

    I don't want to bore you with too many details as I know this isn't cars for sale thread and against boards rules, pm me if interested.


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  • #142
    Black_Knight
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    Teslafan wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Recently I put up a thread on the original S forum (now locked) to say I had a Model S for sale. 182 75D Premium 20KM. Private seller.

    I don't want to bore you with too many details as I know this isn't cars for sale thread and against boards rules, pm me if interested.

    There's a thread here for that:
    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057599743/64/

    You could bore us with the price and some pics there.


  • #143
    unkel
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    Teslafan wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Recently I put up a thread on the original S forum (now locked) to say I had a Model S for sale. 182 75D Premium 20KM. Private seller.

    I don't want to bore you with too many details as I know this isn't cars for sale thread and against boards rules, pm me if interested.

    Hi Teslafan, and welcome to boards.ie!

    There is a thread in this forum where you can put up your car for sale, it is here:

    Linky


    But seeing as some people reading in here might be interested in your car, what sort of money are you looking for, what options does your car have and why are you selling it?

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  • #144
    Teslafan
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    60K ish, not decided, EAP, security package, half leather, high fidelity audio, premium package. Blue, Dark Ash, Air Suspension, Great car in as new condition @ good price...


  • #145
    jhegarty
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    Teslafan wrote: »
    60K ish, not decided, EAP, security package, half leather, high fidelity audio, premium package. Blue, Dark Ash, Air Suspension, Great car in as new condition @ good price...

    That's a good price. Out of my budget , but good luck with the sale.


  • #146
    unkel
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    Decent price. I take it that's HW2.5? What Tesla warranty is left? GLWS.

    What's the reason for sale if I my ask?

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  • #147
    ELM327
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    Yes, fair enough price, a different buyer to those looking at used S vs new 3 at that price though.
    HW2 / 2.5 and possible FSD would be a great to have.


  • #148
    Teslafan
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    unkel wrote: »
    Decent price. I take it that's HW2.5? What Tesla warranty is left? GLWS.

    What's the reason for sale if I my ask?

    Its Sep '18 so HW 2.5. It's not being used at all, I'm a home worker and its just sitting there.


  • #149
    DrPhilG
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    PCP quote for an e-Niro, €5k down, €600 x 36, final value €14,998.

    With a cash price of €40,995 that seems like a good price, no? Only €600 for the finance basically.

    Awaiting a trade in value to see if it would be worth parting with the i3 through them.


  • #150
    ELM327
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    Teslafan wrote: »
    It's not being used at all, I'm a home worker and its just sitting there.
    Same for myself (and I reached a similar conclusion)
    We've been told off the record that our jobs are likely to remain as WFH optional indefinitely. With that, I don't need a long range EV anymore.
    DrPhilG wrote: »
    PCP quote for an e-Niro, €5k down, €600 x 36, final value €14,998.

    With a cash price of €40,995 that seems like a good price, no? Only €600 for the finance basically.

    Awaiting a trade in value to see if it would be worth parting with the i3 through them.


    That's a pretty good deal if the eniro suits your needs and you don't have an inherent need to drink the musk kool aid. Out of the triplets (niro/kona/soul) I think the eniro is the most practical.


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  • #151
    DrPhilG
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    That's a pretty good deal if the eniro suits your needs and you don't have an inherent need to drink the musk kool aid. Out of the triplets (niro/kona/soul) I think the eniro is the most practical.

    It does meet my needs, even with my heavy foot I should get about 300km worst case, and 350-400km in more normal circumstances.

    However the question you just answered elsewhere might actually be a deal breaker. Not being able to change from km to miles. Ridiculous as it may sound, I grew up on miles and I still think in miles. Do most of my driving in the North too, so still on miles.

    I don't want a car with only km on the display. If I can't change it, it's a dead duck.


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