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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #3182
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Really? It still seems to be the open up crowd currently still crying about the 2m rule?

    I do think that the 2 meter rule will be relaxed for the Hospitality industry. The economic reality is that a lot of pub/restaurants would not be viable if the 2 meter rule is maintained


  • #3183
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Love the lockdown supporters posting today <3<3<3

    No mention of phase 5 scrapped or protests or Leo's positive thumbs up towards the protest.

    Just back to claim the 2 metre rule saves lives. :rolleyes:


  • #3184
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,265 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    What 2m rule? Go outside from your lockdowm pad and you’ll see very little 2m going on anyway.

    Great then why are the open up crowd crying about it?


    You guys cry about things you claim dont happen.


  • #3185
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Looks like our esteemed 'experts' have let the mask slip finally. One of the most frequent questions asked on this thread during the course of the roadmap was - What / Where was 'there', that the experts kept referring to. This enigmatic place we hadn't reached yet despite cases and deaths tumbling daily.
    According to this Independent article, 'there' was complete eradication of the virus like New Zealand. Conveniently forgotten in this is our Common Travel Area agreement with the U.K., our membership of the EU and it's travel arrangements, and the 'virus disappearing so fast they've to ship the Oxford vaccines from the U.K. to Brazil for trials'.
    'There' would have translated into weeks more of lockdown, no matter what the cost to us as a people, our children, society, other medical issues that are growing by the day, country needing an IMF bailout with certainty if we continued down this path, and social unrest.
    I have no words...these people have been given far too much of a say in how to govern since our curve was flattened, and they don't like it when they've been over-ruled. They should be leading examples of good hand hygiene, social distancing, etc. I've lost a lot of respect for some of the signatories of this letter..

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ireland-at-the-crossroads-we-must-completely-eliminate-coronavirus-to-return-to-normal-scientists-warn-39268163.html

    The signatories:
    It is signed by :

    Professor Anthony Staines; Epidemiologist, Dublin City University

    Professor Gerard Killeen; Infectious Disease Ecologist, Epidemiologist and Control Specialist, University College Cork

    Dr Tomás Ryan; School of Biochemistry & Immunology, Trinity College Dublin and Chair of FENS-Kavli Network

    There have been over 1,000 signatories to date, including:

    Prof. Luke O’Neill; Professor of Biochemistry, Trinity College Dublin

    Prof. Cliona O’Farrelly; Professor of Comparative Immunology, Trinity College Dublin

    Prof. Sam McConkey; Infectious Disease Specialist, Vice-Dean, Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland

    Prof. Jane Ohlmeyer; Director of Trinity Long Room Hub Arts & Humanities Research Institute, Trinity College Dublin; and Chair of Irish Research Council

    Prof. Kingston Mills; Professor of Experimental Immunology, Trinity College Dublin

    Prof. David McConnell; Fellow Emeritus in Genetics, Trinity College Dublin

    Dr. Lydia Lynch; Immunologist, Trinity College Dublin and Harvard Medical School


  • #3186
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ShyMets wrote: »
    I do think that the 2 meter rule will be relaxed for the Hospitality industry. The economic reality is that a lot of pub/restaurants would not be viable if the 2 meter rule is maintained
    Might well happen at the end of this phase. With new cases now seemingly below 50 a day we should be close to zero by then.


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  • #3187
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Looks like our esteemed 'experts' have let the mask slip finally. One of the most frequent questions asked on this thread during the course of the roadmap was - What / Where was 'there', that the experts kept referring to. This enigmatic place we hadn't reached yet despite cases and deaths tumbling daily.
    According to this Independent article, 'there' was complete eradication of the virus like New Zealand. Conveniently forgotten in this is our Common Travel Area agreement with the U.K., our membership of the EU and it's travel arrangements, and the 'virus disappearing so fast they've to ship the Oxford vaccines from the U.K. to Brazil for trials'.
    'There' would have translated into weeks more of lockdown, no matter what the cost to us as a people, our children, society, other medical issues that are growing by the day, country needing an IMF bailout with certainty if we continued down this path, and social unrest.
    I have no words...these people have been given far too much of a say in how to govern since our curve was flattened, and they don't like it when they've been over-ruled. They should be leading examples of good hand hygiene, social distancing, etc. I've lost a lot of respect for some of the signatories of this letter..

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ireland-at-the-crossroads-we-must-completely-eliminate-coronavirus-to-return-to-normal-scientists-warn-39268163.html

    The signatories:
    It is signed by :

    Professor Anthony Staines; Epidemiologist, Dublin City University

    Professor Gerard Killeen; Infectious Disease Ecologist, Epidemiologist and Control Specialist, University College Cork

    Dr Tomás Ryan; School of Biochemistry & Immunology, Trinity College Dublin and Chair of FENS-Kavli Network

    There have been over 1,000 signatories to date, including:

    Prof. Luke O’Neill; Professor of Biochemistry, Trinity College Dublin

    Prof. Cliona O’Farrelly; Professor of Comparative Immunology, Trinity College Dublin

    Prof. Sam McConkey; Infectious Disease Specialist, Vice-Dean, Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland

    Prof. Jane Ohlmeyer; Director of Trinity Long Room Hub Arts & Humanities Research Institute, Trinity College Dublin; and Chair of Irish Research Council

    Prof. Kingston Mills; Professor of Experimental Immunology, Trinity College Dublin

    Prof. David McConnell; Fellow Emeritus in Genetics, Trinity College Dublin

    Dr. Lydia Lynch; Immunologist, Trinity College Dublin and Harvard Medical School

    I don't think any of them are on NPHET, so not really making decisions.


  • #3188
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,462 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    What 2m rule? Go outside from your lockdowm pad and you’ll see very little 2m going on .

    Just back from being in the local shop near the office after getting lunch. 2m signs on the floor at the deli, were people 2m ? Not a chance in hell. As close as they always were


  • #3189
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Great then why are the open up crowd crying about it?


    You guys cry about things you claim dont happen.

    Don’t ask me, i have no idea. I think arguing about the 2m rule is pointless anyway. People and groups in the street are definately not thinking about the 2m rule.


  • #3190
    is_that_so
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Just back from being in the local shop near the office after getting lunch. 2m signs on the floor at the deli, were people 2m ? Not a chance in hell. As close as they always were
    Local shop can't really do it either as aisles are too narrow and deli queues can stretch the length of the shop, but generally people try. Proximity time is minuscule anyway.


  • #3191
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    According to this Independent article, 'there' was complete eradication of the virus like New Zealand. Conveniently forgotten in this is our Common Travel Area agreement with the U.K., our membership of the EU and it's travel arrangements, and the 'virus disappearing so fast they've to ship the Oxford vaccines from the U.K. to Brazil for trials'.
    People are entitled to their opinion, particularly when they have expertise in this area. God news the anti-lockdown group never shut up.


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  • #3192
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Just back from being in the local shop near the office after getting lunch. 2m signs on the floor at the deli, were people 2m ? Not a chance in hell. As close as they always were

    Really? I was at my local shop several times over the last week and everybody I saw there was obeying the 2m rule at the deli and everywhere else on the premises.


  • #3193
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,462 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Local shop can't really do it either as aisles are too narrow and deli queues can stretch the length of the shop, but generally people try. Proximity time is minuscule anyway.

    This is a fairly big shop in D2, could easily space out in the deli queue. Seen the 2m distance out the window a few times today


  • #3194
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    hmmm wrote: »
    God news the anti-lockdown group never shut up.

    Kettle, pot, black.


  • #3195
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    We all partied.


  • #3196
    Irish Aris
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    I reckon that the recommendation for 2m social distancing will be adjusted on the next phase.
    I think it will be dropped completely for public transport and maybe the recommendation for masks will also be adjusted.
    And I expect that it will be reduced to 1 or 1.5 meters for stores and other indoor places.

    From my experience, in many stores you would be more than 1m away from other people, and even if you get closer to someone, it won't be for more than a couple of seconds. From my experience in local Dunnes, this happens already: certain isles (especially with food) are busy and people would pass by each other, sometimes closer than 1m. But there is no real contact, is it? They don't talk or interact with each other.

    If you think it logically, in order for you to get the virus you would need to be in contact with a person that has the virus, for more than just a few seconds. Contact would mean that you talk to the person or you shake hands or that person coughs or sneazes on you. Obviously people need to exercise common sense and hygiene and take precautions. But with active cases being so low (we are below 1000 active cases, right? and even if we account for asymptomatic people the number wouldn't be much higher) what is the risk of getting the virus? And to clarify, I'm not saying that there is no risk, I'm saying that the risk is really low.

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  • #3197
    stephenjmcd
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Really? I was at my local shop several times over the last week and everybody I saw there was obeying the 2m rule at the deli and everywhere else on the premises.

    Yes really. More office staff in the buildings around me today too and I've been in my office and same shop a few times during lockdowm

    The deli queue was just like it was in March


  • #3198
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Love the lockdown supporters posting today <3<3<3

    No mention of phase 5 scrapped or protests or Leo's positive thumbs up towards the protest.

    Just back to claim the 2 metre rule saves lives. :rolleyes:

    Do you always ignore previous posts when they don`t suit your narrative? I already stated that it was a mistake for the protests to be allowed to go ahead and that they should have been dispersed and arrests made by the Gardai.


  • #3199
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Do you always ignore previous posts when they don`t suit your narrative? I already stated that it was a mistake for the protests to be allowed to go ahead and that they should have been dispersed and arrests made by the Gardai.

    But do you feel the same in terms of supporting lockdown restrictions now that so many thousands of people have completely disregarded it and its on TV for everyone to see? And our govt has said "that is not ideal" "its a cause for concern" as remedial actions?


  • #3200
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    But do you feel the same in terms of supporting lockdown restrictions now that so many thousands of people have completely disregarded it and its on TV for everyone to see? And our govt has said "that is not ideal" "its a cause for concern" as remedial actions?

    I think you are quite aware of what my position is at this stage. It hasn`t changed and I suspect that if there is another wave next autumn/winter your camp may well be the ones who have to do some serious back pedaling.


  • #3201
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,890 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Mr Blobby wrote: »
    Been trying to get in contact with our local gym to open the 5 aside pitches. No word if they're gonna open.

    Mine opened for those at the last phase I think. Probably hard to balance opening vs revenue and costs you'd have to g through.


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  • #3202
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    I honestly can’t get the view of being slagged off for being anti lockdown? Who in their right freaking minds is in favour of lockdown and the restrictions. We are a country of hypochondriac curtain twitchers. As has been said countless times wash your hands practice good etiquette when coughing and sneezing and operate social distancing where practicle. But ffs get on with your lives Jesus seriously it’s weird wanting to continue in the lockdown mode.


  • #3203
    crossman47
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    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    But do you feel the same in terms of supporting lockdown restrictions now that so many thousands of people have completely disregarded it and its on TV for everyone to see? And our govt has said "that is not ideal" "its a cause for concern" as remedial actions?

    I'm not sure what your point is. Certainly people are disregarding restrictions but many idiots live among us. Does that mean we forget about restrictions altogether? I hope not because then we will be back where we started in the Autumn and the people who now want to lift the lockdown will want it reimposed quickly. No doubt you will say it should be left to individuals to wash hands, practice social distancing, etc. That would be fine if everyone did but they won't. Its the same as drink driving. Many would still do it (I'm quite safe with a few pints) but harsh penalties are the only way to combat it.


  • #3204
    Naos
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    the kelt wrote: »
    Was there a survey or something to show a large number of people who want no lockdown also want no masks?

    Not that I'm aware of but you're correct to point it out, so let me restate my position; a large number on boards.ie who want no lockdown also want no masks.

    Would you agree with that?


  • #3205
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    crossman47 wrote: »
    I'm not sure what your point is. Certainly people are disregarding restrictions but many idiots live among us. Does that mean we forget about restrictions altogether? I hope not because then we will be back where we started in the Autumn and the people who now want to lift the lockdown will want it reimposed quickly.

    The point is that there are most certainly a lot of idiots out there.

    Thats why we have Gardai.

    And if Gardai are useless (Which they are) the bare minimum you'd expect is a complete outburst and outrage from Tony H, Leo and Simon.

    What did we get? the casual "its a cause for concern" "large social gatherings are not recommended" AFTER 3000 + protested TWICE in like 7 days.


  • #3206
    GeorgeBailey
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    All the dismissal of experts that's going on in here very much reminds me of the dismissal of economic experts just before the bubble burst with claims that they were "talking down the economy". Just because we don't want what they are saying to be true (and I really, really hope they are all somehow wrong) the fact that so many of them are in agreement means it's fairly likely they are right, i.e. a second wave is likely and going too fast with easing restrictions will likely harm the economy more in the long-term.

    Listening to Tomas Ryan on Eamon Dunphy's podcast, he was of the opinion that the lifting of restrictions was both too slow and too fast. What he meant was that they were being lifted too soon but that the end date was too far into the future.


  • #3207
    the kelt
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    Naos wrote: »
    Not that I'm aware of but you're correct to point it out, so let my restate my position; a large number on boards.ie who want no lockdown also want no masks.

    Would you agree with that?

    Ive no idea, i think ive seen maybe 2 or 3 say they would have issues wearing masks.

    I just thought it was curious thing to say that a large number also didnt want maks?


  • #3208
    crossman47
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    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    The point is that there are most certainly a lot of idiots out there.

    Thats why we have Gardai.

    And if Gardai are useless (Which they are) the bare minimum you'd expect is a complete outburst and outrage from Tony H, Leo and Simon.

    What did we get? the casual "its a cause for concern" "large social gatherings are not recommended" AFTER 3000 + protested TWICE in like 7 days.

    So you want a strong clampdown on people disregarding restrictions. Good. I agree with you.


  • #3209
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    crossman47 wrote: »
    I'm not sure what your point is. Certainly people are disregarding restrictions but many idiots live among us. Does that mean we forget about restrictions altogether? I hope not because then we will be back where we started in the Autumn and the people who now want to lift the lockdown will want it reimposed quickly. No doubt you will say it should be left to individuals to wash hands, practice social distancing, etc. That would be fine if everyone did but they won't. Its the same as drink driving. Many would still do it (I'm quite safe with a few pints) but harsh penalties are the only way to combat it.

    Exactly. And as I stated earlier they will be the first to moan and whinge if the Government are too slow in reintroducing restrictions.


  • #3210
    Ginger n Lemon
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    crossman47 wrote: »
    So you want a strong clampdown on people disregarding restrictions. Good. I agree with you.

    Will we get what we want? no.

    Is our lockdown essentially over?

    Yes.


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  • #3211
    Ginger n Lemon
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Exactly. And as I stated earlier they will be the first to moan and whinge if the Government are too slow in reintroducing restrictions.

    Come on you dont really think that we have enough money to re introduce lockdowns do you?

    Why do you phase 5 has been scrapped?

    Phase 2 didnt even begin and phase 5 was scrapped. were there no new cases? no. Were people still dying? yes.

    And yet they scrapped phase 5?! you must be very upset that this is wayyy to quick to lift restrictions?


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