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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #3152
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    hmmm wrote: »
    We can't let our hospitals be over-run if a second wave comes. Restrictions will be imposed if it needs to happen - that's a certainty, it's not an opinion.

    It's why most countries are taking a cautious approach to re-opening, because they want to avoid the need to impose something as damaging as another lockdown if cases spike.

    And if a second wave of the virus comes next autumn/winter and restrictions are not quickly reimposed, with a likely huge spike in hospitalisations and deaths as a result, the very same people who have been castigating the government about being too slow to ease the restrictions even after last Friday`s announcement will be the first to point their fingers at them for being too slow to implement them again.


  • #3153
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Totally on target :rolleyes:

    Coronavirus 'disappearing' so fast Oxford vaccine has 'only 50% chance of working'
    Professor Adrian Hill describes the efforts to create a vaccine as a "race against the virus disappearing, and against time".
    I'm not sure what point you're making. Because the restrictions which have been imposed are working, the virus is being suppressed and it's becoming more difficult to test vaccines (Oxford is now testing in Brazil). Unless you want to live with these restrictions for the next decade, we're going to need a vaccine to get back to "normal".


  • #3154
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    And if a second wave of the virus comes next autumn/winter and restrictions are not quickly reimposed, with a likely huge spike in hospitalisations and deaths as a result, the very same people who have been castigating the government about being too slow to ease the restrictions even after last Friday`s announcement will be the first to point their fingers at them for being too slow to implement them again.

    Welcome back to the thread. This thread hasnt heard much about 2nd waves over the last week as maybe it should have had.

    So what are your thoughts about 3000 + protesting twice in 7 days over the last week? Wers is that bloody 2nd wave :pac:


  • #3155
    vid36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭vid36


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Totally on target :rolleyes:

    Coronavirus 'disappearing' so fast Oxford vaccine has 'only 50% chance of working'
    Professor Adrian Hill describes the efforts to create a vaccine as a "race against the virus disappearing, and against time".

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-disappearing-so-fast-oxford-vaccine-has-only-50-chance-of-working-11993739

    No evidence of it dying out unfortunately. Look at Brazil, Mexico, California, Texas, Arizona, Iran and closer to our doorstep Poland, Ukraine and Russia, Poland had its highest number of daily new cases yesterday since the onset of the crisis.


  • #3156
    skelly22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭skelly22


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    So do you also feel the same way about the laws about road tax, insurance, NCT etc. Do following those rules also mean nothing to you when it suits you?
    In fairness, that's about as nonsensical a comment as I've seen in relation to the lockdown. The reasons we have road tax, insurance laws etc. all make sense. Half the lockdown laws don't make any sense no matter how you try explaining them, especially this inter-county nonsense. Sure who could explain that!?


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  • #3157
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Naos wrote: »
    My point is, no matter what is called for in this thread (bar complete reopening), when it comes to fruition, the same people that called for it just ignore it and move on complaining about the next thing.

    It's getting tiresome.

    And even if that was announced today many people would still invent a reason to complain. Typical and completely par for the course for the permanently outraged brigade.


  • #3158
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    vid36 wrote: »
    No evidence of it dying out unfortunately. Look at Brazil, Mexico, California, Texas, Arizona, Iran and closer to our doorstep Poland, Ukraine and Russia, Poland had its highest number of daily new cases yesterday since the onset of the crisis.


    Poland (population of 40m)

    Confirmed
    26,780 +575

    Deaths
    1,161. +4


  • #3159
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Naos wrote: »
    My point is, no matter what is called for in this thread (bar complete reopening), when it comes to fruition, the same people that called for it just ignore it and move on complaining about the next thing.

    It's getting tiresome.

    Complete reopening is what we want. Anything less is wrong IMO. We've less than 30 cases a day at this point.

    The only thing I'd be cautious on is air travel and very large crowds such as concerts.


  • #3160
    vid36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭vid36


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Poland (population of 40m)

    Confirmed
    26,780 +575

    Deaths
    1,161. +4

    575 is the largest daily increase since the start of the crisis.


  • #3161
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What I meant is, all of my friends are reporting that social distancing isn't working. As in, people are not staying 2m away from each other. This is also what I am observing myself. I've seen plenty of queue's were somebody walks right alongside the entire queue to get to the end... defeating the whole purpose of the spaced out queue.

    The pictures from the beaches and the protests should be enough evidence for anybody that social distancing is not actually really happening.

    If people are visiting family and sitting indoors, its not really possible to social distance. A lot of properties wouldn't be built to have 4+ people 2m apart.

    So if social distancing is not happening and there is no spikes, than you'd have to conclude that it doesn't really have much purpose.

    On my travels i mostly see social distancing going into shops like Dunnes etc. But when i see friends out together on the street they walk right next to each other and it’s definately not 2m.


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  • #3162
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    skelly22 wrote: »
    In fairness, that's about as nonsensical a comment as I've seen in relation to the lockdown. The reasons we have road tax, insurance laws etc. all make sense. Half the lockdown laws don't make any sense no matter how you try explaining them, especially this inter-county nonsense. Sure who could explain that!?

    They don`t make sense to those who don`t want to follow them because it doesn't suit them.


  • #3163
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    We can't let our hospitals be over-run if a second wave comes. Restrictions will be imposed if it needs to happen - that's a certainty, it's not an opinion.

    It's why most countries are taking a cautious approach to re-opening, because they want to avoid the need to impose something as damaging as another lockdown if cases spike.

    If a 2nd wave does come, we'll be looking at cocooning.


  • #3164
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    vid36 wrote: »
    575 is the largest daily increase since the start of the crisis.
    Hopefully that's due to increased testing, their hospitalisations are decreasing which is good news.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103737/poland-people-hospitalised-for-suspected-of-coronavirus-covid-19/

    On the other hand, the chart for Texas is looking a bit grim:
    https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/tmc-daily-new-covid-19-hospitalizations/

    Iran is worse
    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/health/fears-of-2nd-virus-wave-grip-iran-as-new-cases-surge/1864579


  • #3165
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Complete reopening is what we want. Anything less is wrong IMO. We've less than 30 cases a day at this point.

    The only thing I'd be cautious on is air travel and very large crowds such as concerts.

    And mask wearing? How do you feel about that?


  • #3166
    Irish Aris
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,431 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Based on no science or evidence abroad.

    What will happen is in October / November when flu starts to appear, BBC & RTE will start reporting "an increasing number of people admitted to hospital with covid like symptoms" and this hysteria might start all over again.

    But given that RTE is funded by the govt really, and govt dont want no 2nd lockdowns or anything like that they may just sweep all of it under the rug and say "its flu not covid". Money talks as they say

    This is an interesting point you make.
    Looking at the leaflet that we were sent couple of months ago, it appears that the only symptom that is different between flu and coronavirus is Shortness of Breath (and maybe anosmia and ageusia that were added later in the list).

    Surely though capacity for testing will be there so every single person with flu/coronavirus like symptoms can be tested and get results quickly. I would also expect that people with such symptoms would stay at home/isolate anyway.

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  • #3167
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Complete reopening is what we want. Anything less is wrong IMO. We've less than 30 cases a day at this point.

    The only thing I'd be cautious on is air travel and very large crowds such as concerts.

    Did you read what I wrote, did you misquote someone else or are you just ranting? Because I already covered the 'complete reopening' part in my comment.
    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    And addicting! You keep coming to this thread :cool:

    Ha - not really, I'm coming back to see how people are getting on, latest news on restrictions etc. The piece I mentioned is tiresome.


  • #3168
    skelly22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭skelly22


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    They don`t make sense to those who don`t want to follow them because it doesn't suit them.
    I think a lot of people just go along with everything they're asked to do without ever questioning any element of it even for a second. Then there are those who are able to think independently for themselves about whether or not these requests are reasonable and make up their own minds and act accordingly.


  • #3169
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    And mask wearing? How do you feel about that?

    Just to add to this - a large number of people who want no lockdown because other EU countries don't have one / have reduced theirs already also want no masks.
    They don't take into account a large number of EU countries have had compulsory mark wearing in effect for a number of months now:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_masks_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic#Mask_use_and_policies_by_country_and_territory


  • #3170
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    skelly22 wrote: »
    I think a lot of people just go along with everything they're asked to do without ever questioning any element of it even for a second. Then there are those who are able to think independently for themselves about whether or not these requests are reasonable and make up their own minds and act accordingly.

    Absolutely and many who just go along with everything theyre asked to do without questioning get quite aggressive when other doesnt do what theyre told and do think independently, some of the stuff thats been said jeeez!!


  • #3171
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    skelly22 wrote: »
    I think a lot of people just go along with everything they're asked to do without ever questioning any element of it even for a second. Then there are those who are able to think independently for themselves about whether or not these requests are reasonable and make up their own minds and act accordingly.
    Every society has a certain amount of rules or it just becomes a free for all. We don't let people decide whether they need to wear a seatbelt, or drve over the speed limit, or serve chlorinated chicken to people. This is no different - we don't want amateurs using their "common sense" to try and decide what the appropriate response is to a new virus, not matter how much smarter than everyone else they think they are.


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  • #3172
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    skelly22 wrote: »
    I think a lot of people just go along with everything they're asked to do without ever questioning any element of it even for a second. Then there are those who are able to think independently for themselves about whether or not these requests are reasonable and make up their own minds and act accordingly.
    You mean like Boris? If you have enough information then yes but watch out for the Dunning Kruger Effect!
    It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognise their lack of ability.


  • #3173
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    skelly22 wrote: »
    I think a lot of people just go along with everything they're asked to do without ever questioning any element of it even for a second. Then there are those who are able to think independently for themselves about whether or not these requests are reasonable and make up their own minds and act accordingly.

    You realise that literally everyone thinks they're in the latter group.


  • #3174
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Welcome back to the thread. This thread hasnt heard much about 2nd waves over the last week as maybe it should have had.

    So what are your thoughts about 3000 + protesting twice in 7 days over the last week? Wers is that bloody 2nd wave :pac:

    You need to go back and reread my post. I said next autumn/winter would be the most likely time for a second wave of the virus due to people being indoors for a longer space of time more often due to weather conditions, longer hours of darkness etc. in the same way as the flu season. BTW I think the protest marches should not have been allowed to go ahead and that there should have been arrests made. The Gardai fell down on that no question about it.


  • #3175
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭crossman47


    skelly22 wrote: »
    I think a lot of people just go along with everything they're asked to do without ever questioning any element of it even for a second. Then there are those who are able to think independently for themselves about whether or not these requests are reasonable and make up their own minds and act accordingly.

    The problem with that is that many people think they are being reasonable when they're not. Maybe you're ok but the population contains a large number who don't give a damn about the harm they may cause to others. I don't care about what they do to themselves.


  • #3176
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    You realise that literally everyone thinks they're in the latter group.
    The majority are, the majority of the time.


  • #3177
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Well well

    THE GAA FEEL they can accommodate a crowd of 21,000 in Croke Park under the current two-metre rule in place for social distancing and temporary seating in Hill 16 may be an option that they pursue.

    https://www.the42.ie/gaa-croke-park-fans-covid-19-5117166-Jun2020/

    Brilliant. Imagine the numbers if its 1.5 metres or 1 metre.

    Imagine the hunt for tickets!


  • #3178
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    And even if that was announced today many people would still invent a reason to complain. Typical and completely par for the course for the permanently outraged brigade.

    So what makes you so special? You’re so perfect you never whinge or cry about anything in your life? It’s human nature everyone does it. The hypocrisy on this thread is hilarious. Seems to be a lot of upset lockdown brigade on the thread.


  • #3179
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,265 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    So what makes you so special? You’re so perfect you never whinge or cry about anything in your life? It’s human nature everyone does it. The hypocrisy on this thread is hilarious. Seems to be a lot of upset lockdown brigade on the thread.

    Really? It still seems to be the open up crowd currently still crying about the 2m rule?


  • #3180
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Naos wrote: »
    Just to add to this - a large number of people who want no lockdown because other EU countries don't have one / have reduced theirs already also want no masks.
    They don't take into account a large number of EU countries have had compulsory mark wearing in effect for a number of months now:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_masks_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic#Mask_use_and_policies_by_country_and_territory

    Was there a survey or something to show a large number of people who want no lockdown also want no masks?


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  • #3181
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Really? It still seems to be the open up crowd currently still crying about the 2m rule?

    What 2m rule? Go outside from your lockdowm pad and you’ll see very little 2m going on .


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