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Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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  • #2972
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    This was already discussed. You have 17 threads to look through. I don't remember where it was.

    Can anyone back up the new information with a 5% failure rate in tests?

    Brilliant, as usual you state something and don't back it up and then deflect to something else.
    Standard


  • #2973
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Brilliant, as usual you state something and don't back it up and then deflect to something else.
    Standard

    It's been already discussed.

    Can anybody find the new information with a 5% failure rate in tests?


  • #2974
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    And you're the poster who couldn't back up what you said about a 5% failure in negative tests in the mask thread.

    Last I heard it was 30% failure rate. Can you back up your claim of 5% failure rate? And your story might be more believable.

    Last you 'heard'? Where did you 'hear' this?


  • #2975
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    A 5% failure rate is good news, it's better than 30. People love the positivity here, so I'm surprised it wasn't posted here.

    I'm not finding anything by doing a Google search. So can you direct me to your claim of 5% failure rate in tests?

    It wasn't posted because nobody was continually harping on about a high false negative rate.

    I've had enough of you deflecting and not addressing points put to you but, if you can access it try reading a study in the journal Radiology. BBC News 7th May had "accuracy is improving, says Dr James Gill, a GP locum and honorary clinical lecturer at the University of Warwick. Where the test once had about a 20-30% false negative rate, he believes it’s now nearer to around 5%". Plenty more available.
    Now I'm done having to justify things to you.


  • #2976
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    petes wrote: »
    Last you 'heard'? Where did you 'hear' this?

    It was discussed in an earlier thread.

    And again can anybody direct me to the new information to a 5% failure rate? It's good news, I'm surprised I can't find anything. And neither can the poster who knows all about the 5% failure rate.


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  • #2977
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    petes wrote: »
    Last you 'heard'? Where did you 'hear' this?

    Facebook in February. :)


  • #2978
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It wasn't posted because nobody was continually harping on about a high false negative rate.

    I've had enough of you deflecting and addressing points put to you but, if you can access it try reading a study in the journal Radiology. BBC News 7th May had "accuracy is improving, says Dr James Gill, a GP locum and honorary clinical lecturer at the University of Warwick. Where the test once had about a 20-30% false negative rate, he believes it’s now nearer to around 5%". Plenty more available.
    Now I'm done having to justify things to you.

    Can you get me the news for Ireland please?


  • #2979
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Can you get me the news for Ireland please?

    !!!! Tell you what. You show where there is a 30% false negative rate estimated for Ireland within the past three months first.

    Unbelievable. You only want to hear what you believe.


  • #2980
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    !!!! Tell you what. You show where there is a 30% false negative rate estimated for Ireland within the past three months first.

    Unbelievable. You only want to hear what you believe.

    It was already discussed. You have 17 threads to go through.

    It is you who is deflecting the question. Another poster asked you for link to your claim yesterday and you didn't even come back with it.

    Because you're talking pure bullsh!t with a 5% failure rate.


  • #2981
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    !!!! Tell you what. You show where there is a 30% false negative rate estimated for Ireland within the past three months first.

    Unbelievable. You only want to hear what you believe.

    I know I've said it before, but I suspect the poster is a WUM. So what they say, just let it roll off your back


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  • #2982
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    It was already discussed. You have 17 threads to go through.

    It is you who is deflecting the question. Another poster asked you for link to your claim yesterday and you didn't even come back with it.

    Because you're talking pure bullsh!t with a 5% failure rate.

    You know you're right. I'm the one talking bull**** because you don't want to accept the truth. Good luck in life with that attitude.

    #Ignore.


  • #2983
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You know you're right. I'm the one talking bull**** because you don't want to accept the truth. Good luck in life with that attitude.

    #Ignore.

    I'm asking you for your claim in 5% failure rate. Show me the truth please.


  • #2984
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,845 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I'm asking you for your claim in 5% failure rate. Show me the truth please.

    It's worded less than 5% false negative


  • #2985
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    rosiem wrote: »
    Crèches are open year round definitely don’t close for summer.

    I thought they closed, apologies


  • #2986
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    As we enter phase 2, keep 2m distance and hand washing regularly, let's erase Covid19 completely


  • #2987
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    The whole testing situation is a failure, we're all doomed, 10 million irish people are asymptomatically infected, call in the army


  • #2988
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    It's worded less than 5% false negative

    What's worded less than 5% false negative? His post from yesterday? This one?

    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You're way out of date. Current testing estimates false negatives at less than 5%.

    You wear your mask and keep your distance as best you can. You really need to relax about this.


  • #2989
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    ShyMets wrote: »
    I know I've said it before, but I suspect the poster is a WUM. So what they say, just let it roll off your back

    I'm just asking for someone to back up their claim. I'm not winding anyone up.


  • #2990
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    normanoffside wrote: »
    That’s rubbish, they are commercially available in all travel vaccination clinics. I had one last week at a cost of €80 and less than a 2-day turnaround from bloods to result.

    The person I was respond to was asking about free antibody tests, and that’s what I was referring to.


  • #2991
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    The person I was respond to was asking about free antibody tests, and that’s what I was referring to.

    Apologies.
    I dob't think there will be free ones. When the government do theirs it will be for survey purposes, people won't get personal results.


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  • #2992
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    South America basically getting as bad as Europe was now....Chile reported 650 deaths today..hard to believe anywhere is getting to that point, I really thought it would be uniquely bad for Europe and USA because of older population demographics. Quite worrying for countries such as India and Pakistan which have just ended lockdown


  • #2993
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    The 30% false negative stat came out of China months ago. It wasn't mentioned what platform they were using. The 30% number stuck but it has no basis in Ireland.
    I dont think it's possible to accurately estimate the false negativity rate.

    Swab someone too early in their infection, not enough viral particles, negative result.
    Swab someone improperly, sample compromised, negative result.
    Swab someone after they've recovered, negative result.

    How do you accurately measure the incidence of poor collection or the patients stage of infection.

    The decreasing number of cases is reflected in the decreasing number of hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths.

    I would say our testing is very accurate.


  • #2994
    xabi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,028 ✭✭✭xabi


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I'm just asking for someone to back up their claim. I'm not winding anyone up.

    You wind me up every time I open this thread.


  • #2995
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,845 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What's worded less than 5% false negative? His post from yesterday? This one?

    Didn't see that, he must have read the same report


  • #2996
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    The 30% false negative stat came out of China months ago. It wasn't mentioned what platform they were using. The 30% number stuck but it has no basis in Ireland.
    I dont think it's possible to accurately estimate the false negativity rate.

    Swab someone too early in their infection, not enough viral particles, negative result.
    Swab someone improperly, sample compromised, negative result.
    Swab someone after they've recovered, negative result.

    How do you accurately measure the incidence of poor collection or the patients stage of infection.
    R
    The decreasing number of cases is reflected in the decreasing number of hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths.

    I would say our testing is very accurate.

    You're not supposed to give the facts. :)
    I hope you're prepared to provide links and full accreditation for all that because someone somewhere said otherwise at some point.

    :p


  • #2997
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    South America basically getting as bad as Europe was now....Chile reported 650 deaths today..hard to believe anywhere is getting to that point, I really thought it would be uniquely bad for Europe and USA because of older population demographics. Quite worrying for countries such as India and Pakistan which have just ended lockdown

    It's a late start for these countries. You are not immune to a novel virus. No one is.


  • #2998
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Didn't see that, he must have read the same report

    Unfortunately she hasn't read the report, so it doesn't exist without a Google link.


  • #2999
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    I thought the 30% error was related to the antibody test


  • #3000
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-7-june-2020.pdf

    Latest hospital update.

    Slight drop from 125 to 122 in hospitals.

    ICU has dropped from 36 to 34 with 0 deaths last 24 hours. Ventilations down to 19.


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  • #3001
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You're not supposed to give the facts. :)
    I hope you're prepared to provide links and full accreditation for all that because someone somewhere said otherwise at some point.

    :p

    You couldn't back up your claim with something that's apparently in the Irish news for weeks. It took somebody else to answer for you. Someone I'm guessing is in the medical profession with the way how they write. So please don't put me down.


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