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Madeleine McCann

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  • #6152
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    The statement made was she did not refuse to co-operate.

    She did. As a suspect.

    Still skewing facts to suit your own theories then. That’s ok. It’s very clear to anyone reading what you’re up to.

    You can’t keep giving half a story to allude to their guilt and not expect to be called out on it.


  • #6153
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Still skewing facts to suit your own theories then. That’s ok. It’s very clear to anyone reading what you’re up to.

    You can’t keep giving half a story to allude to their guilt and not expect to be called out on it.

    I didn't skew any facts.

    I stated facts.


  • #6154
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I’m not at all up to speed with the theories but I saw earlier on the journal ie site ppl saying that this German guy was being mentioned as a convenient person to pin the case on and then close it, a few years ago.

    Is that true?


  • #6155
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,033 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I’m not at all up to speed with the theories but I saw earlier on the journal ie site ppl saying that this German guy was being mentioned as a convenient person to pin the case on and then close it, a few years ago.

    Is that true?

    The guy was a person of interest before but they eliminated him as a suspect years ago (2013 I think) and the only thing that's changed since is in 2017 he drunkenly boasted he knew about Maddie.


  • #6156
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I didn't skew any facts.

    I stated facts.

    If you were posting honesty you would acknowledge all the questions had previously answered but again, that doesn’t suit your narrative.

    Yes it’s true Kate didn’t answer those 40 questions when she was named a suspect, but it is also true that she had answered those questions several times over while being questioned as a witness and was told by her legal advisor not to answer them again.

    One scenario paints a picture of a woman who wouldn’t cooperate with the police to find her missing child, the other explains how the police already had all the relevant information and she was not answering because she was legally advised that the police were trying to blame her for Madeleines disappearance.

    Two very different scenarios, as I’m sure you agree.


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  • #6157
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    If you were posting honesty you would acknowledge all the questions had previously answered but again, that doesn’t suit your narrative.

    Yes it’s true Kate didn’t answer those 40 questions when she was named a suspect, but it is also true that she had answered those questions several times over while being questioned as a witness and was told by her legal advisor not to answer them again.

    One scenario paints a picture of a woman who wouldn’t cooperate with the police to find her missing child, the other explains how the police already had all the relevant information and she was not answering because she was legally advised that the police were trying to blame her for Madeleines disappearance.

    Two very different scenarios, as I’m sure you agree.

    The point was made she did co-operate.

    This is not true.

    She did not co-operate when made a suspect.

    That is a fact. Nothing skewed.


  • #6158
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    The point was made she did co-operate.

    This is not true.

    She did not co-operate when made a suspect.

    That is a fact. Nothing skewed.

    I am new to this thread and not up to speed with the facts of the case..

    When you said she did not co operate as a suspect and refused to answer questions you were using this as part of the reasoning to be suspicious of the parents and when I read it I have to say it peaked my interest and got me thinking... however...

    Having been told by another poster that she already answered all these questions and was fully co operating until she was made a suspect, that kind of changes my thinking on it.

    Watching you back peddle and saying ‘ I stated facts’ is very telling also. You knew exactly what you were doing.

    Like a movie I seen..

    Guy is convicted of having sex with a minor Years ago and it’s brought up in court to discredit him..

    They didn’t say however, he was 17 she was 16 at the time, they later married and had two kids...


  • #6159
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    I am new to this thread and not up to speed with the facts of the case..

    When you said she did not co operate as a suspect and refused to answer questions you were using this as part of the reasoning to be suspicious of the parents and when I read it I have to say it peaked my interest and got me thinking... however...

    Having been told by another poster that she already answered all these questions and was fully co operating until she was made a suspect, that kind of changes my thinking on it.

    Watching you back peddle and saying ‘ I stated facts’ is very telling also. You knew exactly what you were doing.

    Like a movie I seen..

    Guy is convicted of having sex with a minor Years ago and it’s brought up in court to discredit him..

    They didn’t say however, he was 17 she was 16 at the time, they later married and had two kids...

    You don't think her refusal to answer questions as a suspect not important.

    That's ok.

    I think it's very important. Regardless of what was answered before that.

    And that's ok, it's a decisive case.

    We don't need to see things the same way.

    If someone says she did co-operate. It's not true. No matter what way you want to spin. She refused to co-operate when she was a suspect. Nothing here but facts.


  • #6160
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    You don't think her refusal to answer questions as a suspect not important.

    That's ok.

    I think it's very important. Regardless of what was answered before that.

    And that's ok, it's a decisive case.

    We don't need to see things the same way.

    If someone says she did co-operate. It's not true. No matter what way you want to spin. She refused to co-operate when she was a suspect. Nothing here but facts.

    But she did cooperate as a witness. Important to note that when you are trying to imply she would not assist the police in their search for her daughter.

    You keep misrepresenting these ‘facts’ in such a way that would allude to the guilt of her parents. It’s important to give a clear picture of what actually happened.

    It’s extremely disingenuous to say she refused to cooperate and answer questions as a suspect while failing to acknowledge that she was legally advised not to as she has already answered all these questions before, several times over, as a witness.

    It’s just word salading of the highest order on your part.


  • #6161
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    But she did cooperate as a witness. Important to note that when you are trying to imply she would not assist the police in their search for her daughter.

    You keep misrepresenting these ‘facts’ in such a way that would allude to the guilt of her parents. It’s important to give a clear picture of what actually happened.

    It’s extremely disingenuous to say she refused to cooperate and answer questions as a suspect while failing to acknowledge that she was legally advised not to as she has already answered all these questions before, several times over, as a witness.

    It’s just word salading of the highest order on your part.

    She refused to co-operate as a suspect.

    All good there.


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  • #6162
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,094 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    She refused to co-operate as a suspect.

    All good there.

    I also didn't cooperate with the Portuguese police. I also didn't sign a confession in my own blood, in triplicate. All theses things are facts.


  • #6163
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I also didn't cooperate with the Portuguese police. I also didn't sign a confession in my own blood, in triplicate. All theses things are facts.

    That's very interesting.

    Were you a suspect?


  • #6164
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Seems like a weird thing to come out and say.

    But anyway. We can't ignore evidence we don't have.

    The portuguse had enough to make Mrs.McCann a suspect who wouldn't assist them and then fled the country.

    But sure. Lets focus on some German guy who hasn't been as much as questioned as far as I understand.

    Hopefully unlike Mrs.McCann he'll assist the police in whatever way he can.

    You are clearly saying here that Mrs McCann would not assist the police. You conveniently left out that she had already been assisting them, repeatedly.

    Some German guy? U mean a convicted pedophile who was in the area at the time and had mentioned he knew what happened to the child..

    A lot of people myself included are firmly on the fence with this and have no idea who to suspect so we are not trying to argue one way or the other, what you are doing however is presenting an argument with selective ‘facts’ of the parents guilt. Why are you doing that?


  • #6165
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    You are clearly saying here that Mrs McCann would not assist the police. You conveniently left out that she had already been assisting them, repeatedly.

    I am clearly saying it now.

    She refused to co-operate with the police as a suspect.

    There's no hidden agenda. It's very important this for me. If you don't think so. That's fine.
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Y
    Some German guy? U mean a convicted pedophile who was in the area at the time and had mentioned he knew what happened to the child..

    A lot of people myself included are firmly on the fence with this and have no idea who to suspect so we are not trying to argue one way or the other, what you are doing however is presenting an argument with selective ‘facts’ of the parents guilt. Why are you doing that?


    There was many pedophiles living there. Mrs McCann befriended one there shortly after. But there was a surpsing amount of them around for a small parish.

    This one seemed to use his phone at a different time than the rest. Apart from that there doesn't seem to be any evidence to attach him to this crime.

    Not defending the man. He should rot in hell. But there doesn't seem to be any evidence at the moment


  • #6166
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I am clearly saying it now.

    She refused to co-operate with the police as a suspect.

    There's no hidden agenda. It's very important this for me. If you don't think so. That's fine.




    There was many pedophiles living there. Mrs McCann befriended one there shortly after. But there was a surpsing amount of them around for a small parish.

    This one seemed to use his phone at a different time than the rest. Apart from that there doesn't seem to be any evidence to attach him to this crime.

    Not defending the man. He should rot in hell. But there doesn't seem to be any evidence at the moment


    Right so Mrs McCann assisted the police and then she refused to assist them any longer after they accused her of murdering her child.. why didn’t you just say that?


    This German guy is being looked at by police now though yeah? They already looked at the parents but didn’t find conclusive evidence? By the way I haven’t kept up to date with this case but the parents were never charged so I’m assuming there wasn’t sufficient evidence.


  • #6167
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Right so Mrs McCann assisted the police and then she refused to assist them any longer after they accused her of murdering her child.. why didn’t you just say that?

    After they made her a suspect she refused to answer any questions.

    I don't know I have this weird thing where if I was the cause of my daughter been kidnapped. But was innocent in the kidnapping and or murder. I would do everything I could. I think answering their questions was a really importart part here.
    Instead the relationship with the people trying to help is broken down and then you flee the country. It doesn't come across to me as a great strtaegy and if innocent. Very odd.
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    This German guy is being looked at by police now though yeah? They already looked at the parents but didn’t find conclusive evidence? By the way I haven’t kept up to date with this case but the parents were never charged so I’m assuming there wasn’t sufficient evidence.

    They're looking at German guy but have claimed they need the publics help for anything concrete. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of evidence in the public domain.

    He made a phone call at some point. That seems to be where we're


  • #6168
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Something Else
    limnam wrote: »
    After they made her a suspect she refused to answer any questions.

    I don't know I have this weird thing where if I was the cause of my daughter been kidnapped. But was innocent in the kidnapping and or murder. I would do everything I could. I think answering their questions was a really importart part here.
    Instead the relationship with the people trying to help is broken down and then you flee the country. It doesn't come across to me as a great strtaegy and if innocent. Very odd.



    They're looking at German guy but have claimed they need the publics help for anything concrete. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of evidence in the public domain.

    He made a phone call at some point. That seems to be where we're

    Didn’t they also refuse to do a reconstruction before she was a suspect??


  • #6169
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Didn’t they also refuse to do a reconstruction before she was a suspect??

    I believe they did.

    When eventually they were convinced to do one there seemed to be a lot of onset arguing people disagreeing with each other

    It's almost like they were making it up as they went along. Or maybe it was all the alcohol.

    Very odd


  • #6170
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,033 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


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    Rock77 wrote: »
    Right so Mrs McCann assisted the police and then she refused to assist them any longer after they accused her of murdering her child.. why didn’t you just say that?
    She didn't assist them though, she mostly lied to them. Answered the questions but didn't do so truthfully


  • #6171
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »

    This German guy is being looked at by police now though yeah?

    They discarded him in 2008. Apparently the van he changed the plates on was forensically investigated at the time and nothing was found.


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  • #6172
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Ok, so the police are looking at this German guy and asking for the public’s help because they don’t have enough evidence but they suspect he was involved.

    You seem to be quite dismissive of him as a suspect yet you seem to implicate the parents often, am I right in saying the parents are no longer suspects? Did the police look into the parents extensively yet did not find sufficient evidence?

    Again I haven’t been following this closely, I’m presuming the parents are not suspects..


  • #6173
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Ok, so the police are looking at this German guy and asking for the public’s help because they don’t have enough evidence but they suspect he was involved.

    They looked into him in 2007. He was cleared / dismissed as a person of interest in 2008

    The van he changed the name on the reg plate on was forensically checked and nothing was found.
    Rock77 wrote: »
    You seem to be quite dismissive of him as a suspect yet you seem to implicate the parents often, am I right in saying the parents are no longer suspects? Did the police look into the parents extensively yet did not find sufficient evidence?

    Again I haven’t been following this closely, I’m presuming the parents are not suspects..

    I'm not sure how it stands legally. But I don't think the Portuguese police ever removed the status or maybe they have to at a certain time frame.. She fled the country.

    I'm dismissive of him as there's nothing to suggest he's connected.


  • #6174
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    They looked into him in 2007. He was cleared / dismissed as a person of interest in 2008

    The van he changed the name on the reg plate on was forensically checked and nothing was found.



    I'm not sure how it stands legally. But I don't think the Portuguese police ever removed the status or maybe they have to at a certain time frame.. She fled the country.

    I'm dismissive of him as there's nothing to suggest he's connected.

    Ok I think I get you now,

    The police suspect the German guy, you don’t.

    The police don’t suspect the parents any longer, you do.


  • #6175
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Ok I think I get you now,

    The police suspect the German guy, you don’t.

    The police don’t suspect the parents any longer, you do.


    I don't suspect anyone


    I'm as clueless as anyone else.


    I'm just interested in what happened. I don't have any horse in the race.


  • #6176
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Looks like the British police had no interest in him either after been told about of him by Portuguese police 8 years ago.



    British police failed to identify Christian Brückner as the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a senior Portuguese police officer has alleged.

    Carlos Farinha, deputy director of the Policia Judiciaria says that Brückner's name was handed over to the Metropolitan Police in 2012, but they never requested any information on the serial sex offender.


  • #6177
    roofer1988
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭roofer1988


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I don't suspect anyone


    I'm as clueless as anyone else.


    I'm just interested in what happened. I don't have any horse in the race.

    Yes you do your convinced its the McCanns,and no amount of evidence will make you think otherwise.


  • #6178
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    roofer1988 wrote: »
    Yes you do your convinced its the McCanns,and no amount of evidence will make you think otherwise.


    You're not my spokesperson. So please don't claim to be.


  • #6179
    marklazarcovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    splinter65 wrote: »
    If your accusing somebody of a crime then you need to show evidence that they committed that crime.
    No evidence has been shown. None.
    The person being accused doesn’t have to prove anything.
    That’s the way the world works.
    So no, accusations without explanations or evidence are totally irrelevant and not in any way valid.



    they went on holiday with 3 children,and returned with 2 .

    1 child is missing.

    no evidence to prove that someone else was responsible whatsoever.

    all suspicion should fall on those who were responsible for her unless proven otherwise. if one of my kids went missing from my house and zero evidence of foul play,id rightly be suspected until proven otherwise.

    that's the way the world works


  • #6180
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    roofer1988 wrote: »
    Yes you do your convinced its the McCanns,and no amount of evidence will make you think otherwise.

    Whats the evidence that they didn't do it?


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  • #6181
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    Whats the evidence that they didn't do it?




    They've done a lot of work to keep this in the limelight


    Like they funded a con artist to the tune of hundreds of thousands.


    Hired a team of people with no expertise in recovering missing children.


    It's almost like they didn't want to find her.


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