Masks

RoYoBo · 04-06-2020 09:23PM

Yes: valved

I may have missed information on this thread, so apologies if I've asked something already answered. Can anyone point me to a reasonable answer/explanation as to why masks only help in the transmission of the virus and not the other way around too (even if a lesser effect)?
It's this aspect that I believe is a big reason for people not 'opting' to wear one. Yes, selfish as it may be, unless there's a direct benefit for the wearer, I feel the uptake will be much less than if it was both. Those still wearing a mask now (that I know) think that it saves them from contracting the virus and, though I hate to admit it, I don't contradict them.
I was out at a supermarket today for the first time in a while and not one person in the long queue wore a mask except me. A few weeks ago there were many more to be seen. It seems pretty hopeless really - unless enough people wear one, there's little point in any of us doing so.

Darc19 · 04-06-2020 09:31PM

RoYoBo wrote: »

I may have missed information on this thread, so apologies if I've asked something already answered. Can anyone point me to a reasonable answer/explanation as to why masks only help in the transmission of the virus and not the other way around too (even if a lesser effect)?

The spread of a virus is from droplets primarily from your mouth - talking, coughing, sneezing.

A mask prevents these droplets traveling.

A virus can enter the body through eyes, nose, mouth. Eyes in particular.

So as masks don't cover the eye, it does not protect you

Away With The Fairies · 04-06-2020 09:31PM

Yes: valved

RoYoBo wrote: »

I may have missed information on this thread, so apologies if I've asked something already answered. Can anyone point me to a reasonable answer/explanation as to why masks only help in the transmission of the virus and not the other way around too (even if a lesser effect)?
It's this aspect that I believe is a big reason for people not 'opting' to wear one. Yes, selfish as it may be, unless there's a direct benefit for the wearer, I feel the uptake will be much less than if it was both. Those still wearing a mask now (that I know) think that it saves them from contracting the virus and, though I hate to admit it, I don't contradict them.
I was out at a supermarket today for the first time in a while and not one person in the long queue wore a mask except me. A few weeks ago there were many more to be seen. It seems pretty hopeless really - unless enough people wear one, there's little point in any of us doing so.

I protect you, you protect me... But in Ireland, it's who gives a fcuk.

Away With The Fairies · 04-06-2020 09:33PM

Yes: valved

Darc19 wrote: »

The spread of a virus is from droplets primarily from your mouth - talking, coughing, sneezing.

A mask prevents these droplets traveling.

A virus can enter the body through eyes, nose, mouth. Eyes in particular.

So as masks don't cover the eye, it does not protect you

If we all wore masks, there's less chance entering the eyes.

iamwhoiam · 04-06-2020 09:35PM

Has anyone any tips on how to stop your glasses fogging up while wearing a mask ?
I can position it anyway and still they fog

fr336 · 04-06-2020 10:00PM

Yes: surgical

When even the UK, whose "reponse" to the pandemic has been a total shambles, is making face coverings compulsory on public transport, it's probably going to be a good idea to wear them. Another shot across the bow for the anti maskers.

fr336 · 04-06-2020 10:01PM

Yes: surgical

I've not seen the eye argument before - another excuse against masks "well it can still get in through your eyes so what's the point in covering your nose and mouth". As far as I'm concerned the eyes are the least mode of transmission, not the most, happy to be proved wrong.

Darc19 · 04-06-2020 10:34PM

fr336 wrote: »

I've not seen the eye argument before - another excuse against masks "well it can still get in through your eyes so what's the point in covering your nose and mouth". As far as I'm concerned the eyes are the least mode of transmission, not the most, happy to be proved wrong.

Masks are used to stop you transmitting

You transmit through droplets from coughing, talking and sneezing.

You don't transmit droplets from eyes

Seanergy · 04-06-2020 11:19PM

Yes: valved

expectationlost wrote: »

whats their quality?

As facecoverings go and not to sound to much like a Kerryman, not half bad.

They have certain protocalls inplace to keep masks at a consistent standard for customers. Visit the website to answer your questions

https://www.masks4allireland.com

alentejo · 05-06-2020 12:02AM

question. Capacity on a Dublin Bus is currently 17. If masks are made mandatory, would you expect the numbers allowed to board increase? and if so, by how much?

Seanergy · 05-06-2020 12:35AM

Yes: valved

Nearly double 17 is what they were guessing at last month wasn't it? 31-33?

Union were pushing hard for mandatory mask wearing(for driver safety?), so 2m would slide to 1m on public buses. Even if Dublin bus operate at the capacity loads of heads aint going to be catching the bus.

The bigger pond is switchin to mandatory on public transport in about a week, we should too but could still b 4+ weeks away though, judging by the deplorable pace State is slugging at.

The idea of using respiratory coverings or mouth coverings to prevent coughing or sneezing... that in itself is not a bad idea,” said Dr. Mike Ryan, the WHO’s top emergencies expert. - April 3 (Reuters)

dfx- · 05-06-2020 12:43AM

No: other

Boggles wrote: »

Took a while, but hardly surprising since their method has been "kill everyone quickly".

Took a long time indeed nearly two months, a substantial ease of lockdown conditions and it is for "face coverings", a very general term.

RoYoBo · 05-06-2020 01:55AM

Yes: valved

fr336 wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned the eyes are the least mode of transmission, not the most, happy to be proved wrong.

This is what makes sense to me - there has to be some decent enough protection for mask wearers, especially if they also wear glasses. I don't expect it to be foolproof, but even a reduced chance might be a good 'selling point' for wearers. enough to encourage the use of them anyway.

RoYoBo · 05-06-2020 02:01AM

Yes: valved

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Has anyone any tips on how to stop your glasses fogging up while wearing a mask ?
I can position it anyway and still they fog

Having made a selection of home sewn masks, a tight fitting wire or equivalent around the top of the nose pretty much eliminates that problem. If your glasses are fogging up, it indicates a poor fit IMO and reduces the mask's capacity to contain any droplets transmitted.

Darc19 · 05-06-2020 07:15AM

RoYoBo wrote: »

Having made a selection of home sewn masks, a tight fitting wire or equivalent around the top of the nose pretty much eliminates that problem. If your glasses are fogging up, it indicates a poor fit IMO and reduces the mask's capacity to contain any droplets transmitted.

Balderdash - and probably coming from someone who doesn't wear glasses.

Face barriers are to prevent droplets projecting forward.

So glasses fogging has no bearing whatsoever on the efficacy of the barrier.

The only real solution is to look for a much smaller lens, thus giving a lot more space between the glasses and the barrier. Not perfect, but makes a difference.

Boggles · 05-06-2020 09:14AM

dfx- wrote: »

Took a long time indeed nearly two months, a substantial ease of lockdown conditions and it is for "face coverings", a very general term.

No it isn't.

It's a complete 180.

Masks are useless to You'll be fined if we catch you without one.

Dig up FFS!

Seanergy · 05-06-2020 10:43AM

Yes: valved

Friday the 15th of may was when the State first announced the introduction of face coverings.

This announcement was outplayed in the Media by the hysteria surrounding the missing hospital cases. The facecoverings u-turn slid under the carpet and deflected all questions, outrage and heat into the so called missing cases.

As expected a few weeks later, today, Reid produces a report that says Mater Hospital did carry out its legal obligations, regading missing cases.

Free lesson in political deflection.

Coronavirus is a ‘fire in retreat; but it is not defeated. We must extinguish every spark, quench every ember. - T - sock Leo hold firm

Away With The Fairies · 05-06-2020 01:05PM

Yes: valved

Long interesting read
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-18483/v1

But masks help.

tromtipp · 05-06-2020 02:56PM

Yes: surgical

Mods, if, as seems likely from the press briefings so far, we now get a firm recommendation to wear masks in shops and on public transport, can you close the old poll and start a new one, now that the HSE recommendation has arrived.

Snow Garden · 05-06-2020 03:45PM

No: other

Out of curiousity, where do ye buy masks? Chemists/Online/Supermarkets?
I haven't seen them on sale to be honest. Haven't been in a chemist since March either I suppose.

dfx- · 05-06-2020 03:51PM

No: other

Boggles wrote: »

No it isn't.

It's a complete 180.

Masks are useless to You'll be fined if we catch you without one.

Dig up FFS!

Face coverings is a very general term - you could use a scarf.

There's never been anything against them changing their mind especially as lockdown eases and there are more people around on buses and trains than there was in April. The circumstances have changed completely.

It is only public transport too. My job isn't encouraging their use (lab decision made by microbiologists, virologists and epidemiologists) and shops aren't.

Seanergy · 05-06-2020 04:38PM

Yes: valved

Silver bullet shot on April 6th, target hit June 5th, lesson in saving face.

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RoYoBo · 05-06-2020 04:56PM

Yes: valved

Darc19 wrote: »

Balderdash - and probably coming from someone who doesn't wear glasses.

Face barriers are to prevent droplets projecting forward.

How rude! There's really no call for such insulting responses. Not to mention ill informed! Many, many links on google to indicate the same effect. Here's one: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/how-to-keep-your-glasses-fog-free-while-wearing-a-mask/

“You want to make sure your mask fits securely over the nose. With glasses, a mask with a nose bridge will keep warm air from exiting up to your glasses as opposed to other face coverings,” says Dr. Hamilton.

You can buy masks with a nose bridge or masks that can be shaped to fit the face. If you’ve decided to make your own masks, you can create a better fit for them by sewing pipe cleaners or twist ties into the top so they can be molded to fit the nose better.

Just FYI, I DO wear glasses and faced the fogging problem myself with the initial masks I made until I improved the fit around the nose. If your breath is escaping and fogging up your glasses, it's also entering the atmosphere.

ginoginelli · 05-06-2020 05:30PM

Yes: surgical

Seanergy wrote: »

Silver bullet shot on April 6th, target hit June 5th, lesson in saving face.

Finally!

Many many months too late, but better late than never.

Holohan and co cannot sit on the fence anymore. Masks need to be mandated in certain settings NOW. To not do so would be deemed reckless and inexcusable given the WHO's new guidelines.

ginoginelli · 05-06-2020 05:30PM

Yes: surgical

Seanergy wrote: »

Silver bullet shot on April 6th, target hit June 5th, lesson in saving face.

Finally!

Many many months too late, but better late than never.

Holohan and co cannot sit on the fence anymore. Masks need to be mandated in certain settings NOW. To not do so would be deemed reckless and inexcusable given the WHO's new guidelines.

MisterAnarchy · 05-06-2020 05:32PM

Seanergy wrote: »

Silver bullet shot on April 6th, target hit June 5th, lesson in saving face.

They are some buffoons the WHO.
Trump was right to lambast them.

Kivaro · 05-06-2020 06:48PM

Yes: valved

Seen a good uptick on the use of masks in my locality compared to last week. This is good to see; and mostly by older people.
Also noticed a lot of availability of masks and hand sanitiser around the place ...... at reasonable prices.

I would like to see more public service announcements and media promotions on how to use masks correctly, but the increase in the use of masks is encouraging.

Away With The Fairies · 05-06-2020 06:56PM

Yes: valved

ginoginelli wrote: »

Finally!

Many many months too late, but better late than never.

Holohan and co cannot sit on the fence anymore. Masks need to be mandated in certain settings NOW. To not do so would be deemed reckless and inexcusable given the WHO's new guidelines.

Thanks for the laugh.

Neyite · 05-06-2020 07:10PM

Yes: valved

Kivaro wrote: »

Seen a good uptick on the use of masks in my locality compared to last week. This is good to see; and mostly by older people.

I think my poor mammy would wear a full on gimp suit if it meant she could leave the house for the first time in 3 months.

Seanergy · 05-06-2020 08:59PM

Yes: valved

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1268986094042992640

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