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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #1982
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Benimar wrote: »
    Because that brings more people into an enclosed space ie: a shopping centre.

    It really isn't that hard to understand tbh!

    Which is confusing- are all the supermarkets, hardware, electrical, Dunnes/Tesco drapery sections all open air or something? I was in dunnes yesterday and it was all enclosed in the shopping centre down the road from me


  • #1983
    Breezin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Breezin


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Sorry I didn't realise you just pick those deaths that suit your argument. What absolute BS. Good luck in life with that type of attitude,


    So it doesn't bother you at all that excluding over-65s (on which we have nothing to boast about) we are on a par with allegedly 'catastrophic' Sweden. In spite of the fact that we willfully have taken a wrecking ball to our society?


  • #1984
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    One thing.

    Who makes the decisions?

    Ive seen today that the Government have made proposals to NPHET to bring forward the easing of some restrictions today and NPHET will consider these.

    Am i missing something or who is running the country?

    I take it if NPHET says no then we wont be bringing forward any easing of restrictions. Now im pretty sure they will say no because in fairness to them their remit is anything that is slightly a little bit riskier than their current plan is a plain and simple no, they are medical people after all.

    Maybe im old fashioned but should leaders not actually lead? You know absolutley take advice and weigh things up but stop putting decisions on to others who only have one remit.


  • #1985
    Breezin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Breezin


    the kelt wrote: »
    One thing.

    Who makes the decisions?

    Ive seen today that the Government have made proposals to NPHET to bring forward the easing of some restrictions today and NPHET will consider these.

    Am i missing something or who is running the country?

    I take it if NPHET says no then we wont be bringing forward any easing of restrictions. Now im pretty sure they will say no because in fairness to them their remit is anything that is slightly a little bit riskier than their current plan is a plain and simple no, they are medical people after all.

    Maybe im old fashioned but should leaders not actually lead? You know absolutley take advice and weigh things up but stop putting decisions on to others who only have one remit.


    Whoever is covering their ass most for fear of the Covid finger-pointers set the pace. It's a slow bicycle race between politicians, health bureaucrats and hyper-conservative academics.


  • #1986
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    theballz wrote: »
    So proud of Leo, Simon and team for how they have managed this entire process.
    They will go down in the history of this great state.

    hi Leo how are you doing


    jesus wept :rolleyes:


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  • #1987
    Breezin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Breezin


    yawhat? wrote: »
    If you infect someone from Dun Laoghaire, it will take some time before they themselves become contagious, maybe a day or two. Therefore DL person cannot infect city centre person for maybe a day or two. It will then be another day or two before city centre person can infect someone from say Malahide. If you or these other people were travelling without restriction you could potentially infect all these people on the one day, rather than taking at least a few days to spread to Malahide person. Therefore, the restrictions have delayed the spread. When combined with other factors e.g. contact tracing, it can also limit the further spread.

    It is a very, very blunt tool and it has lots of limitations. But the less people move, the slower the infection can spread.

    You can argue about the effectiveness when the infection is already moving slowly, and many other countries have removed travel restrictions for this reason amongst others. You cannot say that there is no thought whatsoever put into it, especially bearing in mind that the plan was hatched at least a month ago, and may still be amended to allow for current circumstances.
    What a load of makey-uppy science. Where is the evidence for any of this, and what about the counter-effects of crowding everyone together?


  • #1988
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭RGS


    the kelt wrote: »
    One thing.

    Who makes the decisions?

    Ive seen today that the Government have made proposals to NPHET to bring forward the easing of some restrictions today and NPHET will consider these.

    Am i missing something or who is running the country?

    I take it if NPHET says no then we wont be bringing forward any easing of restrictions. Now im pretty sure they will say no because in fairness to them their remit is anything that is slightly a little bit riskier than their current plan is a plain and simple no, they are medical people after all.

    Maybe im old fashioned but should leaders not actually lead? You know absolutley take advice and weigh things up but stop putting decisions on to others who only have one remit.

    Couldn't agree more. We elect the government to govern. If the government want to open restrictions they then should just go for it. This just gives power to Holohan to overrule the government.

    Quote from an article in the Irish Times. This sums up Leo & Simon.
    "But the Taoiseach and Minister for Health Simon Harris are reluctant to accelerate the reopening without the endorsement - a sort of “political cover” - from health experts, who for now seem reluctant to give it."


  • #1989
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    theballz wrote: »
    So proud of Leo, Simon and team for how they have managed this entire process.
    They will go down in the history of this great state.

    Not really. The stats are nothing to crow about. We sit in the top ten countries per capita worst affected. The mismanagement of the exit from lockdown is farcical also. Once the dust settles the shine will fade, it’s happening already


  • #1990
    yawhat?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭yawhat?


    road_high wrote: »
    Which is confusing- are all the supermarkets, hardware, electrical, Dunnes/Tesco drapery sections all open air or something? I was in dunnes yesterday and it was all enclosed in the shopping centre down the road from me

    They are for the most part stand alone stores, with maybe a couple of smaller shops. They are not a collection of larger stores under one roof. The most similar example would be a department store. Guess what they are doing? Splitting the store into smaller stores that must be accessed from separate entrances and are not connected internally.


  • #1991
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    RGS wrote: »
    Couldn't agree more. We elect the government to govern. If the government want to open restrictions they then should just go for it. This just gives power to Holohan to overrule the government.

    Quote from an article in the Irish Times. This sums up Leo & Simon.
    "But the Taoiseach and Minister for Health Simon Harris are reluctant to accelerate the reopening without the endorsement - a sort of “political cover” - from health experts, who for now seem reluctant to give it."

    They’ll never give as it’s their job to minimise risk, almost completely if necessary. I think Leo is shockingly poor here, it’s evident he can lead only when there’s a consensus or committee recommendation. All he’s interested now is internal issues in the USA while concerning, are nothing to do with us or our problems. Using that as a political diversion due to its emotive angle


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  • #1992
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RGS wrote: »
    Couldn't agree more. We elect the government to govern. If the government want to open restrictions they then should just go for it. This just gives power to Holohan to overrule the government.

    Quote from an article in the Irish Times. This sums up Leo & Simon.
    "But the Taoiseach and Minister for Health Simon Harris are reluctant to accelerate the reopening without the endorsement - a sort of “political cover” - from health experts, who for now seem reluctant to give it."

    I think they have put the proposals to NPHET to flag that this is where they want to go, and they should consider including in their own recommendation back to the government or have a very clear reason why they should not be included. As a caretaker government the are always going to seek political cover, because the **** storm thet would ensue if a caretaker government went against NPHET advice and things deteriorated would be something to behold


  • #1993
    yawhat?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭yawhat?


    Breezin wrote: »
    What a load of makey-uppy science. Where is the evidence for any of this, and what about the counter-effects of crowding everyone together?

    I said it was a blunt tool. I said you could argue it’s effectiveness. My main point was that it was not put in place “without thought” as claimed by another poster.

    How are people being crowded together? Where’s the evidence for that?


  • #1994
    Breezin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Breezin


    yawhat? wrote: »
    I said it was a blunt tool. I said you could argue it’s effectiveness. My main point was that it was not put in place “without thought” as claimed by another poster.

    How are people being crowded together? Where’s the evidence for that?


    You have seen no pictures of beaches and parks lately? They have never been more crowded.


  • #1995
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Am i right in saying that standalone shops will be able to open. Shopping Centres have to be open to allow essential shops such as Boots, Tesco, Dunnes etc to open. But the other shops in the open shopping centre won't be able to open because its too dangerous... ?

    Absolute nonsense if this is the case!


  • #1996
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Your car Reg is all the Gardai need to know where you’re from ....in a few seconds.

    No it's not.

    A car reg tells you where the car was first registered. I've owned D, G, MH, KE, DL, WH and LH reg cars. I haven't lived in all those places.


  • #1997
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    the kelt wrote: »
    One thing.

    Who makes the decisions?

    Ive seen today that the Government have made proposals to NPHET to bring forward the easing of some restrictions today and NPHET will consider these.

    Am i missing something or who is running the country?

    I take it if NPHET says no then we wont be bringing forward any easing of restrictions. Now im pretty sure they will say no because in fairness to them their remit is anything that is slightly a little bit riskier than their current plan is a plain and simple no, they are medical people after all.

    Maybe im old fashioned but should leaders not actually lead? You know absolutley take advice and weigh things up but stop putting decisions on to others who only have one remit.
    Government ultimately will decide, using NPHET input. The proposals seem to relate to some proposals further down the line. Once we get into Phase 2 we'll see how flexible it all can be.


  • #1998
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Am i right in saying that standalone shops will be able to open. Shopping Centres have to be open to allow essential shops such as Boots, Tesco, Dunnes etc to open. But the other shops in the open shopping centre won't be able to open because its too dangerous... ?

    Absolute nonsense if this is the case!
    I believe you need an actual street entrance not one onto a concourse.


  • #1999
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Am i right in saying that standalone shops will be able to open. Shopping Centres have to be open to allow essential shops such as Boots, Tesco, Dunnes etc to open. But the other shops in the open shopping centre won't be able to open because its too dangerous... ?

    Absolute nonsense if this is the case!

    My thinking behind it is that it is an enclosed space with a large amount of uncontrolled people walking about. At least individual shops can manage people in their own property but you could have crowds of people in close proximity wandering about the centre itself. Higher risk.


  • #2000
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    KaneToad wrote: »
    No it's not.

    A car reg tells you where the car was first registered. I've owned D, G, MH, KE, DL, WH and LH reg cars. I haven't lived in all those places.

    Ehhhh..... they can tell the address the car is currently registered using the reg


  • #2001
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KaneToad wrote: »
    No it's not.

    A car reg tells you where the car was first registered. I've owned D, G, MH, KE, DL, WH and LH reg cars. I haven't lived in all those places.

    They know the address the car is currently registered against though

    https://www.garda.ie/en/roads-policing/road-safety/automatic-number-plate-recognition.html


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  • #2002
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Am i right in saying that standalone shops will be able to open. Shopping Centres have to be open to allow essential shops such as Boots, Tesco, Dunnes etc to open. But the other shops in the open shopping centre won't be able to open because its too dangerous... ?

    Absolute nonsense if this is the case!

    It’s absolutely ridiculous. I live in Galway and the two Penneys here are located inside shopping centres. So basically every other county will have a Penneys open except Galway.


  • #2003
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    retro:electro wrote: »
    It’s absolutely ridiculous. I live in Galway and the two Penneys here are located inside shopping centres. So basically every other Penneys in the country will be open expect the ones in Galway

    And the Penneys in Wilton Cork, so no, not just the Galway ones


  • #2004
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    retro:electro wrote: »
    It’s absolutely ridiculous. I live in Galway and the two Penneys here are located inside shopping centres. So basically every other Penneys in the country will be open expect the ones in Galway

    I am sure Penny's on the headford road could get creative and find a door from the Car Park somewhere that they could use


  • #2005
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    retro:electro wrote: »
    It’s absolutely ridiculous. I live in Galway and the two Penneys here are located inside shopping centres. So basically every other Penneys in the country will be open expect the ones in Galway

    There is a logic behind it, but just because it discommodes you it's ridiculous.


  • #2006
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    retro:electro wrote: »
    It’s absolutely ridiculous. I live in Galway and the two Penneys here are located inside shopping centres. So basically every other Penneys in the country will be open expect the ones in Galway
    And somehow other countries are managing to open shopping centres.


  • #2007
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    leahyl wrote: »
    And the Penneys in Wilton Cork, so no, not just the Galway ones

    Isn’t the one on Patrick Street a street entrance one


  • #2008
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Isn’t the one on Patrick Street a street entrance one

    Yes, but you said every other Penneys in the country would be open bar Galway, which is incorrect.


  • #2009
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    leahyl wrote: »
    Yes, but you said every other Penneys in the country would be open bar Galway, which is incorrect.

    Sorry I meant every other county would have a Penneys that can open.


  • #2010
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ixoy wrote: »
    And somehow other countries are managing to open shopping centres.
    Open is a relative term. Here's a description of what Denmark did and they are 6-7 weeks ahead of us in terms of phases.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20200511/shopping-malls-reopen-in-denmark-with-new-rules


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  • #2011
    ThewhiteJesus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    It's progress so great news as far as i'm concerned,


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